Semper Ad Meliora (Code Geass/Britannian Royalty Quest)

We should go for land to deal with the knight problem as fast as possible. Otherwise we'd have a time limit to take Australia for more. I'd rather not gamble there are unexpected problems that'll come up.

Second I think we should go for the Australia claim. Don't we need that for Europe to back off as well? It also simplifies things politically if I'm remembering the option correctly.
 
[] Plan Land Grab with formal Title
-[] The Land of India, as a Fief.
-[] Recognition of your claims in Australia & Support Enforcing Them.
-[] A Personal Noble Title & Income
-[] Her Cousin's Hand in Marriage.


Another variant, making Lelouch de jure a Chinese noble in addition of de facto.

Vote is still not open. About an hour to it being open, I think?
I edited it faster than you could post that. :V
 
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[]Plan: Land
-[] Recognition of your claims in Australia & Support Enforcing Them.
-[] The Land of India, as a Fief..
-[] The Empress' Hand in Marriage.
--[] As Second Husband.
-[] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
 
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I don't mind, and might approval vote for this plan if it seems necessary together with my own plan if it seems like it would otherwise split the vote. However, I still think that going hard for actual Piety Administrator -position would be better. Like I said earlier, it is in our own ultimate interests to develop understanding about psionics for non-hostile human factions.

Also, not being in an actual administrator position will likely make it harder to gain access to the Taklamakan Desert, or so I assume.
The issue is that it's unknown how much priority Lihua will give towards Piety and even if she did, it would still be less influential than the Stewardship position, which can cover multiple areas like Australia development, foreign trade deals for alliance building, and double dip into Taklamakan Desert by funding expeditions, etc.

There's still an hour on the moratorium....

We should go for land to deal with the knight problem as fast as possible. Otherwise we'd have a time limit to take Australia for more. I'd rather not gamble there are unexpected problems that'll come up.

Second I think we should go for the Australia claim. Don't we need that for Europe to back off as well? It also simplifies things politically if I'm remembering the option correctly.
We already acquired China's backing for Australia from the Indonesian Conference treaty remember? This would merely be confirmation by sending the entire Chinese Navy to back us up. That's overkill and unnecessary when a few fleets would be enough to do the job and is cheap to negotiate for.

The knight problem is not an urgent issue, there's a small minority that wants land which we're going to start addressing this/next turn, that would keep them mollified especially after seeing our track record for success.
 
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[ ]Plan: Humanities Interest

-[ ] The Empress' Hand in Marriage.
--[ ] As Second Husband.
-[ ] A Place in Her Administration.
--[ ] Stewardship
-[ ] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
-[ ] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
 
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Edit : Ah, moratorium isn't over yet?
40 minutes.

Then I get to stop answering questions and go to bed after opening the vote.
Slayer did this mean the grumbling from Lelouch's detractors was successfully quelled and died down for the moment? iirc the support was grassroots from the commoners but most of the nobility was against him.
That's an accurate summation. In so much as the commoners feel anything about Lelouch (he's out of the country so often), they think he's doing a good think by conquering more territory.

(Most of) The nobility do too, they just don't want him getting the credit.
 
I still think we should really take the things Charles asked for, alone for the reason to make our favourite uncle happy.
I'm going for the slightly longer path for the Taklamakan Desert with Second Husband + Piety Administration, while including the non-aggression/defense treaty in the actual plan to make Charles happy about stabilizing global political power balance in our and Britannia's favor.

My plan is to basically make Lihua more informed about the alien threat and the ancient psionic humanity among other things, and play our cards so that we get access to the Thought Elevator site, maybe even joint-access with the Geass Directorate if we are convincing enough. Including also the Thought Elevator site would just have benefits unnecessarily overlapping for no long-term benefit.
The issue is that it's unknown how much priority Lihua will give towards Piety and even if she did, it would still be less influential than the Stewardship position, which can cover multiple areas like Australia development, foreign trade deals for alliance building, and double dip into Taklamakan Desert by funding expeditions, etc.
I don't care about the influence as much as about where we get to concentrate. But you can bet that influence will jump a bit higher in her estimate if we tell her (on top of that whole alien thing) that "I can already make sakuradite on small experimental scale from this blue rock stuff with psionic alchemy, please give more funds so I can do research towards mass production so that we can start printing money".
 
@Slayer Anderson what would be the benefit of the Chinese backing us for Australia in these options? Is it just the naval units or something more?


The knight problem is not an urgent issue, there's a small minority that wants land which we're going to start addressing this/next turn, that would keep them mollified especially after seeing our track record for success.
We're gambling on how much we can get done in the allowed time. It's also important because Jeanne wants it. I'd rather not find out were waylaid by some in story narrative issue or bad rolls slowing us down.
 
We only have so many time slots available people. And I for one want to go hard into advancing our psionic research, and this is a chance to cash in our crazy risks we have taken for just that.
Again, this is a piety position, it's a way to develop psionic talent in China, but actual Psionic Tech would be better with the research foundation, which is prerequisite on producing viable psionic tech which improves Chinese lives.

[] Plan A Better China
-[ ] The Empress' Hand in Marriage.
--[ ] As First Husband.
-[ ] A Place in Her Administration.
--[ ] Stewardship
-[ ] Key Natural Resource Monopolies in Extraction Rights.
-[ ] Psionic Recruitment & Research Foundation on Chinese Soil.

So, here is a plan where we forgo aid in Australia cause we can already handle all but the bigger fish between our fleet, the crowns, and our ninja, who we will be able to handle once we gobble all those smaller pirate groups up.

We take first consort but make it up to Lihua by assisting with war recovery and her Stewardship ambitions, generate jobs for her people with a resource extraction company, and Introduce psionic tech developments to better her peoples Lives. Basically doing everything we can to make the marriage worthwhile for her while still benefiting ourselves.

[] Plan A Union of Dynasties and Economies + Personal Agenda.
-[ ] The Empress' Hand in Marriage.
--[ ] As Second Husband.
-[ ] A Place in Her Administration.
--[ ] Stewardship
-[ ] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
-[ ] Psionic Recruitment & Research Foundation on Chinese Soil.

We are marrying the Empress, I hope, so we can take a stewardship admin position and help the OSI and Directorate rebuild the thought elevator more for brownie points, as we could honestly dismantle a third of of the pirates already between our fleet and Ninja's.
Lihua should be 16-17 right now. Going by canon ages, she's 12 years old on Turn 7 and we're at Turn 11 now so 16-17.
Lihua was 17 turn 10. She is 18 now to Xingke's 29 or 30 and Lelouch's 23.

We should go for land to deal with the knight problem as fast as possible. Otherwise we'd have a time limit to take Australia for more. I'd rather not gamble there are unexpected problems that'll come up.

Second I think we should go for the Australia claim. Don't we need that for Europe to back off as well? It also simplifies things politically if I'm remembering the option correctly.
We can get land for them by the end of turn 12 just by starting to go after weaker pirates that turn. The only pirates we aren't already stronger than are Ching Shih, blood of L'Olonnais, and New Heaven. Once we sweep up the lesser pilots and absorb New heaven, we can beat Ching Shih and cow Blood of L'Olonnais into surrender.
 
Eh. From what's been answered so far, marriage to Lihua, being a "Very Expensive" or "Expensive" thing to ask, seems to suggest her SL will start lower from these, and might take substantial action investment to improve.

It's also unappealing for having a strong-to-likely chance of having to give up the HBE claim, while inserting Lelouch into a relationship with someone who already wants someone else as her #1 romantic partner, and comes with commitments to political appearances and customary things Lelouch is also going to be committed to if he marries Euphemia, which I assume is still happening.

That's my 2 cents before I beg off to sleep.
 
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We're gambling on how much we can get done in the allowed time. It's also important because Jeanne wants it. I'd rather not find out were waylaid by some in story narrative issue or bad rolls slowing us down.
We're not gambling on anything, it's been stated that a few Chinese fleets can easily be spared to support us for a cheap cost (thus easy to negotiate for outside of these blank check rewards). Then, alongside the Crowns + coordinating with Governors of Area 8/9, we have enough to start swallowing several of the pirate factions. We only have 50-100 knights signed under Lelouch, the first conquests would be enough to satisfy their appetites.
 
@Slayer Anderson what would be the benefit of the Chinese backing us for Australia in these options? Is it just the naval units or something more?
Political weight in recognition of a Britannian Prince's governance by a foreign power.

It would make it extremely likely (and much easier) for Charles to do so as well.
Eh. From what's been answered so far, marriage to Lihua, on top of being a "Very Expensive" or "Expensive" thing to ask, seems to suggest her SL will start lower from these, and might take substantial action investment to improve.
It's worth noting that you've accrued some credit here in all the things you've done for Lihua/China.

IE: Stuff Done - Rewards = SL Start
 
It's also unappealing for having a strong-to-likely chance of having to give up the HBE claim, while inserting Lelouch into a relationship with someone who already wants someone else as her #1 romantic partner, and comes with commitments to political appearances and customary things Lelouch is also going to be committed to if he marries Euphemia, which I assume is still happening
We keep HBE Claim through Euphemia or through our Knight of Honor Nunnally, though odd are incredibly low on the latter.

Eh. From what's been answered so far, marriage to Lihua, on top of being a "Very Expensive" or "Expensive" thing to ask, seems to suggest her SL will start lower from these, and might take substantial action investment to improve.
Keep in mind Lihua SL is fairly high because China was a crisis event for her which means no SL gain limiters, and there are no instances in quest in which multiple actions were needed to raise a SL a single point.
 
Again, this is a piety position, it's a way to develop psionic talent in China, but actual Psionic Tech would be better with the research foundation, which is prerequisite on producing viable psionic tech which improves Chinese lives.
Hmmm, if you are correct, this might be true. However, I want this to be clarified to be sure.

@Slayer Anderson, sorry if this was said by you before (the thread is moving so fast I can't be sure), but how would the research foundation and piety administration differ? I was assuming that the piety administration would be the same as the research foundation but give us more of everything. Having a greater access to resources and levers of politics inside the federation, as well as more freedom in what we do and protection. Even if it would come with more obligations.

So is there qualitive differences between the two, like Randino Treviani is saying, or is it just complete overlap like I was assuming?
 
@Slayer Anderson, sorry if this was said by you before (the thread is moving so fast I can't be sure), but how would the research foundation and piety administration differ? I was assuming that the piety administration would be the same as the research foundation but give us more of everything. Having a greater access to resources and levers of politics inside the federation, as well as more freedom in what we do and protection. Even if it would come with more obligations.

So is there qualitive differences between the two, like Randino Treviani is saying, or is it just complete overlap like I was assuming?
Running Piety Administration means funding from the government, oversight and directives by the Empress, and a higher degree of visibility as a government functionary.

Psionic Research Foundation is a private enterprise endorsed by the government that runs on your own funding, has very little oversight (beyond Chinese laws), a relatively lower degree of visibility, and you get to pick your own focuses/staff to the exclusion of what anyone else says.


Piety Administration makes the Research Foundation superfluous, but that doesn't mean they're the same thing.
 
[] Plan A Union of Dynasties and Economies + a different Agenda.
-[ ] The Empress' Hand in Marriage.
--[ ] As Second Husband.
-[ ] A Place in Her Administration.
--[ ] Stewardship
-[ ] Recognition of your claims in Australia & Support Enforcing Them.
-[ ] The Province of Guangzhou, as a Fief.

This what I'm thinking because
  • Australia is still one of our long term goals
  • We need land to fend of the complains of our knights
  • The Chinese marriage is why we intervened in the first place
  • I do hope that become Lihua's Steward gets us a third stewardship option
 
IE: Stuff Done - Rewards = SL Start

This is interesting.
From my point of view stuff we've done that might be worth a SL rank:

From before Lihua's crisis point (it would be weird if the Civil war wouldn't count as one for her):

Saved Xingke when he was captured by pirates.
Defended the indonesian conference from the pirate attack
Took Xingke in when the High Eunuchs wanted his head.

After the Civil war (and crisis point) began:

Choose to intervene on her behalf and invaded the High Eunuchs, so that they had to split their attention.
Brought Xingke with us and let him continue on to further attack the High Eunuchs.
Had a bloodless occupation of Guangzhou, along with good public order.
Captured the High Eunuch's of Guangzhou, including Xi Pu
Saved her cousin.
Stopped the plan of the High Eunuchs to get Japan to join the war on their side.
Let her Cousin court favour for her regime

If all of these are worth 1 point we could be at a SL rank of 10 (probably not but those were the one that stood out in my opinion).

The question would be how much each reward cost. Does cheap cost anything? Slayer could we get any info on how much would each cost equal?
 
[] Plan Backdoor to Everything
-[] The Empress' Hand in Marriage.
--[] As Second Husband.
-[ ] A Place in Her Administration.
--[ ] Piety
-[] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[] Key Natural Resource Monopolies in Extraction Rights.

[ ] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.

Ah Ha! Guys I found a way to give us EVERYTHING WE WANT!

Hear me out. China has already acknowledged our claim to Australia by virtue of the Indonesia Conference treaty so we don't need it. Piety advisor + Resource rights gives us access not only to Element Zero but gives not only the equivalent of the psionic research facility but AN EXCUSE to go to the desert where the damn thought Elevator is! A formal treaty with Britannia allows us to give them access to the desert and basically gives Charles his political concessions too. Additionally a treaty means if even one Pirate fires on either a Chinese holding or a Britannian one which is extremely likely given the Children's attempts on India then we can call on a massive combined Chinese and Britannia fleet to bomb the crap out of the pirates…it also kind of forces the bloods to bend the knee as they literally lose their political backing in one stroke. And furthermore combined with taking the husband role to Lihua (Second since it's the one that gives us her favor) it also ensures Japan won't try anything when Kallen goes to visit her family.
 
Piety Administration makes the Research Foundation superfluous, but that doesn't mean they're the same thing.
Thanks, this clarifies things nicely. The foundation giving us more freedom wasn't something I realized, but hopefully this would be balanced by the status as the Second Husband somewhat. But what I think what the Randino Treviani was talking about was more in the context to the fact that we/Lelouch have as faction both Piety psionic actions and Learning actions that are basically side-grade psionic research too, and them assuming that the Foundation was the "Learning" side of psionic research. Is that correct @Randino Treviani?
 
The question would be how much each reward cost. Does cheap cost anything? Slayer could we get any info on how much would each cost equal?
I have given you all the information I'm going to in that regard. As I said several years (oh god, years. Fucking years) ago, the training wheels are coming off.

Estimate and weigh costs and benefits. That's all I'll say.

Also, because I want to go to bed now...


VOTING IS OPEN!
 
[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.

[X] Plan: Imperial Alliance & Mutual Benefits
-[X] The Empress' Hand in Marriage.
--[X] As Second Husband.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Stewardship
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] Psionic Recruitment & Research Foundation on Chinese Soil.

shoutout to @meianmaru's plan:

[X] Plan: Left Hand of the Empress
-[X] The Empress' Hand in Marriage.
--[X] As Second Husband.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Piety
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).

I believe these plans maximizes the benefits acquired for synergy and cost - 1 expensive option (Second Husband), 2 moderate (Administration + Treaty), 1 cheap (Research Foundation/Taklamakan Desert).
  • First off, we become Lihua's Second Consort for the political/social status and influential clout that unlocks of options in both China and Britannia, following through on marrying her like we told Charles. This also gives (side-)romance potential if you're an interested shipper.
  • Secondly, we need a government job to justify the marriage - rather than getting bogged down in India/Guangzhou, the Ministries are the most flexible/powerful - and the main choices are either Stewardship or Piety. Stewardship will have the most resources, but Piety will help us focus on Lelouch's core interests in the Psionic Space Race.
  • Third, a formal Treaty to cement this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for an alliance between two superpowers during a time of global insecurity, this will have knock-on effects that benefits both nations and not just Lelouch personally.
  • Fourth, this picks the Research Institute if going for the Ministry of Stewardship so that Lelouch's psionic agenda is covered, while it doubles down on the Taklamakan Desert for Ministry of Piety for Thought Elevator access.
We can leverage our Consort status with the Minister position for maximum benefit within the Chinese Federation, using the Stewardship position to facilitate economic deals between Britannia/China on top of the formal treaty/alliance, funding investment into Australia's development, leveraging Chinese industry to kickstart our sakuradite/psionic tech production, etc.

The plan with [Piety Ministry] will let us focus on our psionic projects while also securing Political/Economic Deals between Britannia/China as part of the Taklamakan Desert reward.

I believe these are the plans with the most long-term mutual benefits for both Lelouch and China/Britannia, the first steps to securing a global world order.


EDIT: Approval voting other plans as compromise.

[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
-[X] Her Cousin's Hand in Marriage.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Piety
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
 
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[x] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.

[x] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
 
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We keep HBE Claim through Euphemia or through our Knight of Honor Nunnally, though odd are incredibly low on the latter.
Ah, that one slipped my mind. It's getting late over here.
Keep in mind Lihua SL is fairly high because China was a crisis event for her which means no SL gain limiters, and there are no instances in quest in which multiple actions were needed to raise a SL a single point.
Sure, Lelouch is not low in her esteem right now. Though since we don't have numbers, it's not exactly easy to say what things will look like after this is said and done. We have seen multiple negative SLs in this quest before.

Barring something else coming to light, still not in favor of it. I'm not sure we'll be able to see eye to eye here unfortunately.

[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.

[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage
-[X] Her Cousin's Hand in Marriage.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Piety
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).

[X] Plan Land Grab with formal Title
-[X] The Land of India, as a Fief.
-[X] Recognition of your claims in Australia & Support Enforcing Them.
-[X] A Personal Noble Title & Income
-[X] Her Cousin's Hand in Marriage.

[X] Plan Alliance without Imperial Marriage (Stewardship edition)
-[X] Her Cousin's Hand in Marriage.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Stewardship
-[X] Psionic Recruitment & Research Foundation on Chinese Soil.
-[X] The Taklamakan Desert Research Grant & Small Political/Trade Favors (For Charles).
 
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[X] Plan Backdoor to Everything
-[X] The Empress' Hand in Marriage.
--[X] As Second Husband.
-[X] A Place in Her Administration.
--[X] Piety
-[X] A Formal Non-Aggression Treaty & Defensive Treaty Between the Federation & Britannia.
-[X] Key Natural Resource Monopolies in Extraction Rights.

[X] Accept. Kallen may return to Japan and spend this year at her leisure.

Gives us literally everything we want as pointed out in my previous post. And in case anyone didn't read that it's like this:

China has already acknowledged our claim to Australia by virtue of the Indonesia Conference treaty so we don't need it. Piety advisor + Resource rights gives us access not only to Element Zero but gives not only the equivalent of the psionic research facility but AN EXCUSE to go to the desert where the damn thought Elevator is! A formal treaty with Britannia allows us to give them access to the desert and basically gives Charles his political concessions too. Additionally a treaty means if even one Pirate fires on either a Chinese holding or a Britannian one which is extremely likely given the Children's attempts on India then we can call on a massive combined Chinese and Britannia fleet to bomb the crap out of the pirates…it also kind of forces the bloods to bend the knee as they literally lose their political backing in one stroke. And furthermore combined with taking the husband role to Lihua (Second since it's the one that gives us her favor) it also ensures Japan won't try anything when Kallen goes to visit her family.
 
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