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[X] Plan: A Modicum of Restraint
[X] Plan: Don't Rock the Boat... for Now
[X] Plan: Don't Rock the Boat... for Now
Why are the leading plans leaving the omertas alive? Does everyone voting to keep them around remember who the omertas are? Not only were they planning on chlorine bombing the strip and gunning down any survivors in order to take it over for Caesar's Legion, they were also actively killing their prostitutes to help set that up, whether by letting their bomb maker create snuff films or manufacturing a drug induced killing by their gun smuggler. The prostitutes who are deliberately manipulated into having severe drug addictions, to keep them dependent and controlled by the Omertas, and killed if they try to leave!
Why, of all the families on the strip to spare, are we letting the fucking Omertas get off scott free? Do you really think a plan that involved was only known by the top brass?
I think your missing the fact where the Chlorine gas poison saturated Casino will need to be cleared before we can reopen it, taking with it a third of our primary yearly income, possibly for multiple turns.
also consider the fact that just because we can hire replacement staff for the other two, doesn't mean those staff will be as competent or even remotely familiar with the work as the Chairmen or White Gloves. New Vegas has neither people experienced with playing old world gentry nore an abundance of old world movie enthusiasts.
New Vegas has 2 intact, healthy population centers outside the strip not populated by junkies, gangs, and maniacs, since we need sloan for quarry work. Good spring & Primm. I highly doubt we have the facilities to staff all three casinos between them, and it rather limits the number of individuals we can put towards sustainable farming. Let's hold onto the Omerta's and charge them for their crimes so we can put them to work in the farms the NCR just vacated.
Leaving the Omertas alive is different than letting them get off scot free. We can punish them properly as part of the actual quest, using legitimate methods that serve our ends, rather than with a goddamn chlorine gas bomb that renders the casino unusable.Why are the leading plans leaving the omertas alive? Does everyone voting to keep them around remember who the omertas are? Not only were they planning on chlorine bombing the strip and gunning down any survivors in order to take it over for Caesar's Legion, they were also actively killing their prostitutes to help set that up, whether by letting their bomb maker create snuff films or manufacturing a drug induced killing by their gun smuggler. The prostitutes who are deliberately manipulated into having severe drug addictions, to keep them dependent and controlled by the Omertas, and killed if they try to leave!
Why, of all the families on the strip to spare, are we letting the fucking Omertas get off scott free?
Leaving the Omertas alive is different than letting them get off scot free. We can punish them properly as part of the actual quest, using legitimate methods that serve our ends, rather than with a goddamn chlorine gas bomb that renders the casino unusable.
There have been several pages of discussion I advise people read, as well as going over the update more carefully, to fully understand the consequences of accepting the more haphazard fallout new vegas canon solutions. It explains a lot of the logic behind choosing to not have done something as horrific as copy the Omertas to deal with them rather than handle things in a none psychotic manner.
Etranger confirmed that the sex workers are also evacuated during this in the discord. It's only omerta made men/thugs who are killed by the bombI would also like to bring up the fact that, while it me turns getting civilians out first, that doesn't necessarily mean the sex. workers. Id rather try and gaurentee 0 innocent deaths here.
If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,—
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori.
Ah, good to know.Etranger confirmed that the sex workers are also evacuated during this in the discord. It's only omerta made men/thugs who are killed by the bomb
Umm, isn't it more psychotic to be pro gassing an entire buildings worth of individuals, even murderous criminal scum, putting all of the civilian population out of a home and job in the process(they do need to eat) than it is to resolve to deal with them later in a more humane controlled fashion and simply eliminate the most inhumane individuals now so nothing quite so terrible as chemical war crimes happens in the prologue? The actual vote option description seems to imply as much.I'm gonna be honest, my defense of the other plan was way too concerned with being able to use the fucking building afterwards. I look fucking psychotic in this thread.
I think your missing the fact where the Chlorine gas poison saturated Casino will need to be cleared before we can reopen it, taking with it a third of our primary yearly income, possibly for multiple turns.
also consider the fact that just because we can hire replacement staff for the other two, doesn't mean those staff will be as competent or even remotely familiar with the work as the Chairmen or White Gloves. New Vegas has neither people experienced with playing old world gentry nore an abundance of old world movie enthusiasts.
New Vegas has 2 intact, healthy population centers outside the strip not populated by junkies, gangs, and maniacs, since we need sloan for quarry work. Good spring & Primm. I highly doubt we have the facilities to staff all three casinos between them, and it rather limits the number of individuals we can put towards sustainable farming. Let's hold onto the Omerta's and charge them for their crimes so we can put them to work in the farms the NCR just vacated.
Your proposed solution to deal with the omertas in a "humane controlled fashion" was prison slavery.Umm, isn't it more psychotic to be pro gassing an entire buildings worth of individuals, even murderous criminal scum, putting all of the civilian population out of a home and job in the process(they do need to eat) than it is to resolve to deal with them later in a more humane controlled fashion and simply eliminate the most inhumane individuals now so nothing quite so terrible as chemical war crimes happens in the prologue? The actual vote option description seems to imply as much.
I guess the question is whether you care more about getting rid of the omertas or keeping the white gloves then. Unless there's a major vote shift. (Which could happen! We have over a day left after all)Honestly, I'd rather fuck up the Omertas than the Gloves, but the plan that does that is, like.
Losing badly?
There are a few hundred nations on the planet with basic community service as a punishment for minor crimes. New Vegas as food production to population deficiency. It only makes sense that if there going to be kept alive with the expensive prospect of feeding, watering and housing them when all of those basic necessities are at a premium in the new vegas area, that they need to contribute to the production of at least one of those. It's certainly more humane than just killing them outright in one gruesome fashion or another.Your proposed solution to deal with the omertas in a "humane controlled fashion" was prison slavery.
Fair. Those will take time to set up but hopefully we'll have options for that.We're going to have a lot of new jobs open up through the process of establishing a new city-state, and even if the sex workers decide to stick to what they were doing before, they'll be leagues better off not being under the thumbs of the omertas.