For a Moment, There Was Hope [Space Vehicle Design Quest]

Eight Arms would be fun, but that would put us down to 14/20 Budget.
I think 13/20 Budget isn't that much better, especially not when we get +6 stats in exchange for that 1 budget. (And 2 weight)
Admittedly I have no clue how much the 2nd crew member will make the next stages more expensive but it seems worth it to me.
 
[X] Two Arms. (+1 Payload, +2 Utility, +1 Weight. 1 Budget)
[X] Dry EAP Arms. (+1 Payload, +1 Utility, -1 Weight. 2 Budget. 2 Hazard.)

Fuck it, I want a Gundam one day and by God I will get one!
 
[X] Two Arms. (+1 Payload, +2 Utility, +1 Weight. 1 Budget)
[X] Dry EAP Arms. (+1 Payload, +1 Utility, -1 Weight. 2 Budget. 2 Hazard.)

Stealing from capitalists is praxis! Especially intellectual property!
 
Payload: 1
Utility: 0
Weight: 1
Maintenance: 2
Unit Cost: Medium
Hazard: 0

Current choices mean that'd turn out to

Payload: 3
Utility: 5
Weight: 4
Maintenance: ???
Unit Cost: Medium
Hazard: 0

Where all the stats are roughly hovering around each other. I don't think this is a good result and we should be aiming for the Dry EAP. Adaptation of the plans is a basic idea in corporate espionage so that you can muddy the waters of any investigation.

[X] Four Arms. (+2 Payload, +4 Utility, +2 Weight. 4 Budget.)
[X] Dry EAP Arms. (+1 Payload, +1 Utility, -1 Weight. 2 Budget. 2 Hazard.)


Payload: 4
Utility: 6
Weight: 3
Maintenance: ???
Unit Cost: High
Hazard: 2

A much better load out in my opinion, meaning its more likely to win contracts at the EXPO we're going into.
 
[X] Two Arms. (+1 Payload, +2 Utility, +1 Weight. 1 Budget)
[X] Rugged Arms. (+1 Utility, +1 Weight. 0 Budget.)
 
Well since nobody else wants to go with 8x arms due to the 1 extra budget, I can't help but think that 4x arms isn't worth it: +3 Budget and +1 Weight for +1 Payload and +2 Utility is 1:1 in stats per budget and worse with the extra weight included.

[X] Two Arms. (+1 Payload, +2 Utility, +1 Weight. 1 Budget)
[X] Rugged Arms. (+1 Utility, +1 Weight. 0 Budget.)

I still think 8x Lightweight is better, but that has no chance of winning now.
 
Well since nobody else wants to go with 8x arms due to the 1 extra budget, I can't help but think that 4x arms isn't worth it: +3 Budget and +1 Weight for +1 Payload and +2 Utility is 1:1 in stats per budget and worse with the extra weight included.

[X] Two Arms. (+1 Payload, +2 Utility, +1 Weight. 1 Budget)
[X] Rugged Arms. (+1 Utility, +1 Weight. 0 Budget.)

I still think 8x Lightweight is better, but that has no chance of winning now.

In my case it's mostly I don't think the gain from 4->8 is worth it, but I think 2->4 is.
 
Well since nobody else wants to go with 8x arms due to the 1 extra budget, I can't help but think that 4x arms isn't worth it: +3 Budget and +1 Weight for +1 Payload and +2 Utility is 1:1 in stats per budget and worse with the extra weight included.

[X] Two Arms. (+1 Payload, +2 Utility, +1 Weight. 1 Budget)
[X] Rugged Arms. (+1 Utility, +1 Weight. 0 Budget.)

I still think 8x Lightweight is better, but that has no chance of winning now.
based on what we've seen thus far, 1-for-1 stats for budget is actually pretty good.
 
Admittedly I have no clue how much the 2nd crew member will make the next stages more expensive but it seems worth it to me.
You're doubling your life support and pod volume, probably doubling the LS weight.

Anyway, OP seems to be misunderstanding patents a bit, as a corporation we would be able to see the patent (as long as it isn't declared a government secret and our nation has an agreement with the nation the patent was filed in or it was also filed in our nation), but the patent would only show the end result. Not how you get there.

So for the myomer this would be a large number of physical strand arrangements, probably put together using an AI to show all possible ways of arranging the strands and securing their IP. So we would have to get their agreement and/or pay for that, no ifs or buts. What would also be patented is the final chemical structure of the myomer.

If there is no agreement between the country where the patent is filed and the country where the espionage is committed then the company has no right to defend their patent in the country of theft. However that works both ways. We have a neural lattice, brain-lace, mind machine interface. Whatever you want to call it. And if we haven't filed the patent in the same country as that company then we have no legal right to defend it if they steal it.

Tl;dr Patents don't mean you own an invention. They mean you have the legal right to sue if somebody uses it without your permission subject to conditions.

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[X] Four Arms. (+2 Payload, +4 Utility, +2 Weight. 4 Budget.)
[X] Rugged Arms. (+1 Utility, +1 Weight. 0 Budget.)

[] Wear a neural link with a tail to see if you can learn to handle 5 limbs with practice.
 
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[X] Two Arms. (+1 Payload, +2 Utility, +1 Weight. 1 Budget)
[X] Rugged Arms. (+1 Utility, +1 Weight. 0 Budget.)
 
[X] Two Arms. (+1 Payload, +2 Utility, +1 Weight. 1 Budget)
[X] Rugged Arms. (+1 Utility, +1 Weight. 0 Budget.)


I think with so much of our budget sunk into the fuel cell plant we're going to want to play it safe from here on out, and then go crazy with the next one.
 
based on what we've seen thus far, 1-for-1 stats for budget is actually pretty good.
Not really. The batteries were so expensive because it was setting up permanent infrastructure usable for future projects. The two that didn't do that were +3 Budget vs. +1 Utility, +3 Weight. That weight reduction is where the expense is really coming from.

You're doubling your life support and pod volume, probably doubling the LS weight.
That's a fair concern, but our POV character clearly thinks that it's possible and it's a lot of points for only a little budget and weight. Still, I'm not even voting for it anymore so it doesn't matter.
 
[X] Four Arms (+2 Payload, +4 Utility, +2 Weight. 4 Budget.)
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Havocfett on Nov 26, 2023 at 7:57 PM, finished with 41 posts and 30 votes.
 
2111: Delhi Aerospace Expo
A rugged, four-arm design wins the vote by narrow margins. The risks of industrial espionage are deemed too great for too little payoff, while a larger vessel is too much of a strain on budget and weight limits, and a lighter one is deemed less likely to hit performance metrics.

You begin a brutal turnaround to work a four-armed design into your demonstration piece at Delhi. The end product is barebones, focused on the possibilities of the rig and the reliable power supply of its fuel cells, but with four fully functioning arms and the first fuel cells off of your Baikonur production line, it does what you need it to.

Your submission to Delhi is titled the Abilkhan 2111 Technology Demonstrator. It's accepted, and gets a photo in a little-visited corner of the Expo website where it's erroneously titled the AK-2111.

The mistake is up for a little less than three hours before one of your PR people gets it fixed. Unfortunately, that's long enough for the photo to hit social media, where irony poisoned milbloggers make memes comparing it to various kalashnikovs. Fortunately, any press is good press, and you hit no serious stumble before Delhi.

The Delhi Aerospace Expo had begun before the second Space Age as a military showcase. India had wanted to take its shot at filling in the void left by Russia, China, and Europe, and while repeated corruption snafus ruined that, the new space race saved the expo. By the 2090s, the Delhi Aerospace Expo was a space cadet's dream. A cornucopia of promises, corporate, government, and independents alike painting the future in chrome and rocketry.

The main expo hall hosted a dizzying array of promises. Laser-sail barges that can cruise across the solar system without resupply, self-sustaining jovian colonies, fully contains space-station ecosystems, and even proofs-of-concept for terraforming Venus and Mars.

In this, the Abilkhan 2111 feels downright modest. Though the audience doesn't seem to agree. You have a steady stream of visitors to your test rig, which peaks when a NASA test pilot talks his way into the pilot's seat, acclimates himself for twenty minutes, and then shows up your entire test crew by flawlessly juggling demonstration blocks with all four arms.

Your crew spend the entire rest of the expo trying to recreate the trick with no luck, but do strike gold letting select journalists and astronauts try the neuro-rig out for themselves. In the aftermath, a score of small articles praise the innovative, intuitive design of the neuro-rig.

The publicity gets you a handful of investors, a small government grant, and interest from Quebec.

The Agence Spatiale Quebecoise inherited a mining claim on 434 Hungaria after the Canadian Civil War. However, as sanctions only dropped in 2095, they don't have the equipment to pursue that claim and are hoping to purchase a thousand mining vessels for their upcoming effort. The Agence's representative at Delhi was so impressed by the 2111 that he decided to give Musabayev a very exclusive opportunity to bid on the contract.

If you land it, the contract would justify the Abilkhan all on its own. It's a golden ticket you can't turn down. The main question is how to approach the bribe.

Quebec's about as corrupt as your average dictatorship, and some greased palms are expected as part of any bid. While you could refuse to play ball, it'd kill any chance at winning the bid and be deeply unpopular with the company as a whole. There are hundreds of livelihoods in the balance here, after all.

The question, then, is how much to pay.

A modest bribe would get you in and let you compete on the merits. A larger bribe might tilt the scales. And, for the good of the company, you could risk the backlash of this going public and just pour money at officials until the quality of your product doesn't matter. After all, once you have the contract the bribe will pay itself back several times over.

How Much Do You Bribe the Agence Spatiale Québecoise?
Current Budget: 7

Quebec wants an asteroid miner with a focus on utility and moderate unit cost, but doesn't care about weight or payload.

[ ] Die on Your Pride. [0 Budget. You will not get the contract. 1 Hazard: Unpopular with coworkers.]

[ ] Standard Bribe. [1 Budget.]

[ ] Tip the Scales. [2 Budget. You will have better odds at winning the contract.]

[ ] Buy Their Souls. [4 Budget. Regardless of your final design, you will get the Quebec Contract. 2 Hazard.]

Current Design

Payload: 3
Utility: 5
Weight: 4
Maintenance: 3
Unit Cost: Medium
Hazard: 0
 
[X] Standard Bribe. [1 Budget.]

They don't care about weight or payload. While we weren't focusing on reducing price our neuro-rig's utility should make up for that. I believe with the tech we bring to the table we can win the contract on our own merits if we get our foot in the door.
 
Hm. 9 Budget, max 20. 2 puts us at 11, which will give us 9 to play with. 1 gives us 10 which gives us 10 to play with.

I'm inclined to 2, on the general premise that landing any contract is good, and especially as the main concerns here are Cost and Utility now.
 
[X] Tip the Scales. [2 Budget. You will have better odds at winning the contract.]
 
[X] Tip the Scales. [2 Budget. You will have better odds at winning the contract.]

This is fine for me, leaves 5 budget to play with and tbh I'm not sure there's much difference between 5 and 6 budget remaining.
 
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