Hugh_Donnetono Presents: SV Mafia All-Stars (Or: A Crisis On Infinite Sus)

Lets just start with a simple thing, a role that appears in this game probably comes from a game that at least had a public role pm list at the some point in it, as such here is a link to each game like that.
The open-setup arch-fiend and arch-demon games probably count as well, since while they never actually posted who got what the exact composition of all the possible roles was posted.

So the following two

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Arch-Demon's Eternal Game: Aeon Edition, The Turtle Chronicles Mafia

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Lets just start with a simple thing, a role that appears in this game probably comes from a game that at least had a public role pm list at the some point in it, as such here is a link to each game like that.

Mafia 1: Ultimate Hangman's Gambit 1: Super High School Life of Mutual Killing
Mafia 2: Ultimate Hangman's Gambit 2: Special Spooks & Scares
Mafia 3: Idol Death Game
Mafia 4: Killer in Our Midst
Mafia 5: The Ritual
Mafia 6: Ultimate Hangman's Gambit 3: La Pasión del Amor y Muertes
Mafia 7: Terror at the Asylum, The Darkness Comes!
Mafia 8: Dream or Death, the Return
Mafia 9: Happy Island Mafia
Mafia 10: Mahou Shoujo Mafia Madness
Mafia 11: Magical Girl Raising Project Mafia
Mafia 12: Bad Blood
Mafia 13: Ultimate Hangman's Gambit IV: Justice is Blind
Mafia 14: Splatfest Mafia Game
Mafia 15: Crystal Watcher's Magical Mafia Game
Mafia 16: Happy Animal Forest Mafia!
Mafia 17: The Fame Monster (JJBA Mafia)
Mafia 18: A Game of Light and Shadow (Yugioh Mafia)
Mafia 19: Inheritance of the Maker
Mafia 20: Welcome to Brighton
Mafia 21: The Stars are Right!
Mafia 22: Trouble In Mafia Town [Mafia]
Mafia 23: Trouble In Cretaceous Park
Mafia 24: The Rumor
Mafia 25: Under the eyes of the White Raven
Mafia 26: Mafio Party
Mafia 27: Witches in Twisted Miasma
Mafia 28: Carnage in the Colosseum
Mafia 29: Heresy and Where to Find it
Mafia 30: Welcome to Moonton
Mafia 31: Cabin Fever
Mafia 32: QUARANTINE PROTOCOL: ☣ BIOHAZARD ☣
Mafia 33: Arch-Demon's Amusement
Mafia 34: Shadows on the Silverbird
Mafia 35: Arch-Demon's Eternal Game
Mafia 36: Mesozoic Mafia (Two Links)
Mafia 37: Paranoia in the Streets
Mafia 38: Arch-Demon's Eternal Game 2: Eternal Boogaloo
Mafia 39: Arch-Demon's Eternal Game 3: Weren't We Just Here?
Mafia 40: Congregation of Despair
Mafia 41: Clown Academy
Mafia 42: Dragon Ball M(afia)
Mafia 43: A Game of Crowns
Mafia 44: Storm Trooper Mafia
Mafia 45: Arch-Fiend's Eternal Game (or, Arch-Demon's Eternal Game 4.0 aka more Mafia)
Mafia 46: The Morrsley Village Experiment
Mafia 47: Scarlet Hand Finale
Mafia 48: The Aetherial Concordant
Mafia 49: A Murder of Crows
Mafia 50: Debutante Mafia
Mafia 51: Game, Set, Mafia
Mafia 52: Arch-Demon's Eternal Game: Aeon Edition, The Turtle Chronicles
Mafia 53: Grandfather Clock and the Town of Mimics
Mafia 54: The Rocket Train Incident
Mafia 55: Chess Mafia
Mafia 56: Spy Games
Mafia 57: Origin of Conclusion
Mafia 58: Ephemereal Mafia
Mafia 59: The Great Spirit War
Mafia 60: Chess Mafia 2
Mafia 61: Amongst Us Mafia
Mafia 62: Of Mirror Universes and Goatee'd Villains, A Very Silly Mafia Game (Far Side of the Mirror)
Mafia 63: Skaven Mafia
Mafia 64: Mafia Crossover Episode
Mafia 65: A Bellicose Breakdown
Mafia 66: Prosopagnosia (Worm Mafia) (It just starts on this one.)
Mafia 67: Blood on the Clocktower: Trouble Brews in SV...
Mafia 68: These Holiday Nights: Bring Someone Else's Role Edition
Mafia 69: Everyone is Zaealix Mafia
Mafia 70: Byzantine Failure
Mafia 71: Silence on the Steppes
Mafia 72: Fantasy Roll-Up Mafia
Mafia 73: Mega-Mafia Potluck Surprise Mafia
Mafia 74: She-ra Lost Hope Mafia
Mafia 75: Hugh's Perfectly Normal Mafia Game Where Nothing Weird Happens Whatsoever
Mafia 76: The Daytime Mafia
Mafia 77: Arch-Demon's Eternal Potluck
Mafia 78: Vampire the Mafsquerade, An Anarch's Election
Mafia 79: Grand Line Mafia
Mafia 80: Hugh's Perfectly Abnormal Mafia Game Where Everything Weird Happens Oh God (And We Promise It's Not Mountainous This Time)
Mafia 81: Just a relaxed game of JK9
Mafia 82: An Exhausted Exo-colony
Mafia 83: Paranoia

@hugh_donnetono I'd like to request this be pinned as Informational or Sidestory or Apocrypha please.
I think you missed a spot or three - if nothing else, by their very nature all of the Archdemon's games (& variants) should have a full role list available, but you've got a couple unlinked in that post.
 
Though those roles are mostly/entirely composed of roles from other variants of the same game.

The big thing is the game isn't bastard, so we probably don't have an original flavor Emp around.
 
Though those roles are mostly/entirely composed of roles from other variants of the same game.

The big thing is the game isn't bastard, so we probably don't have an original flavor Emp around.
Also some of the more unusual 3Ps (Dragon, Deep Dweller) were only on the list for games you linked (4.0 & Turtle, respectively), I'm pretty sure. & I'm very sure, for obvious reasons, that Dragon actually did feature in 4.0 even if we technically never got a full role post.
 
There are slight reasons I excluded those Arch Games overs the others that I did link because having a direct mention of exactly what was in that game matters more for potential in this game.

For example knowing the abilities of an Elf matter, but not if no elf appeared in that game, and while yes you can reverse engineer those games from the end results it is more work than the ones that outline it for you like the ones I did post, thus I rate those without a perfect reference less likely to appear than those that do. We have 83 games and only 23 potential roles in the full build.
 
There are slight reasons I excluded those Arch Games overs the others that I did link because having a direct mention of exactly what was in that game matters more for potential in this game.

For example knowing the abilities of an Elf matter, but not if no elf appeared in that game, and while yes you can reverse engineer those games from the end results it is more work than the ones that outline it for you like the ones I did post, thus I rate those without a perfect reference less likely to appear than those that do. We have 83 games and only 23 potential roles in the full build.
It depends on how literal the game setup is. I'm frankly assuming it's possible for any role on any open-setup game that ran here could be in play, even if they did not technically get rolled in the game they came from. Honestly there are so many roles either way for all these games the gimmick doesn't do much for us right now.
 
It depends on how literal the game setup is. I'm frankly assuming it's possible for any role on any open-setup game that ran here could be in play, even if they did not technically get rolled in the game they came from. Honestly there are so many roles either way for all these games the gimmick doesn't do much for us right now.
Yeah, agreed. I think the premise will be useful for drawing additional setup info out of mechanical details once they start showing up (like e.g. Atoms already seems to have done with knowing at least one role name in play) but from a blank slate it's unlikely to get us much of anywhere. For which reason I'm against ruling really anything conceivable out from the get-go, as the amount of possibilities available are already pragmatically unusable even just with e.g. Comi's more restricted list.

(before anyone gets on me about hypocrisy, "vanilla Town" is not a role we're gonna get mechanical evidence of and then have to go back to check out the details on)
 
Do I go full MU sweaty and scumread Comi over busy work or town clear him........
 
I think my username was Broken base at the time; it's been a couple years, 2 maybe? But we played a few games together.
Yes yes, I remember you now! I think we were even Mason at one point.
what are you expecting/did you expect to get out of that wagon? Did you legitimately think that they were likely anti-town and if so why exactly, did you want more role info if so was there anything in particular you wanted to gain? Were you just doing it to buidl momentum?
Vibes are wrong. Can't really articulate why, but with sixty-something games and only ~22 players, anyone claiming to know that a particular role is in play seems extraordinarily sus. You said it yourself, it's a deeply me-coded vote.
 
#1, there's exactly one other rolecard on that list that references the Class Rep role by name - one of their fellow Scum who had a one-shot Lightning Rod power and a secret Lovers wincon with a member of the Town. This doesn't really seem like a good fit for Atoms' behavior here.

#2: As a feature of the role not listed in the rolecard but elaborated below it, "Nanimani [i.e. the Class Rep] had the power to recruit people to their cause, but only true vanilla roles could be recruited." So if the role really was ported over 1-to-1 then it'd only work on vanillas, which I still don't really believe in for this game, so we're probably fine? Hopefully? Also because I don't really believe in a Cult in a game without either a Bastard tag or explicit warning that there'll be a Cult, but that may be too optimistic of me, I'll grant.
Was debating bringing up both of these things yeah. It falls into the section where it's debatably worse to give the information in case it's not apparent to either Atoms or the Class President, either as a potential claim for why Atoms might know about the role (Lover [SK actually] turned executioner vibes) and the cultist either aiming for those it doesn't work against... Or the role doesn't have that restriction here and we shouldn't put aside the idea of certain people not getting culted because they're not vanilla.
Lets just start with a simple thing, a role that appears in this game probably comes from a game that at least had a public role pm list at the some point in it, as such here is a link to each game like that.

Mafia 1: Ultimate Hangman's Gambit 1: Super High School Life of Mutual Killing
Mafia 2: Ultimate Hangman's Gambit 2: Special Spooks & Scares
Mafia 3: Idol Death Game
Mafia 4: Killer in Our Midst
Mafia 5: The Ritual
Mafia 6: Ultimate Hangman's Gambit 3: La Pasión del Amor y Muertes
Mafia 7: Terror at the Asylum, The Darkness Comes!
Mafia 8: Dream or Death, the Return
Mafia 9: Happy Island Mafia
Mafia 10: Mahou Shoujo Mafia Madness
Mafia 11: Magical Girl Raising Project Mafia
Mafia 12: Bad Blood
Mafia 13: Ultimate Hangman's Gambit IV: Justice is Blind
Mafia 14: Splatfest Mafia Game
Mafia 15: Crystal Watcher's Magical Mafia Game
Mafia 16: Happy Animal Forest Mafia!
Mafia 17: The Fame Monster (JJBA Mafia)
Mafia 18: A Game of Light and Shadow (Yugioh Mafia)
Mafia 19: Inheritance of the Maker
Mafia 20: Welcome to Brighton
Mafia 21: The Stars are Right!
Mafia 22: Trouble In Mafia Town [Mafia]
Mafia 23: Trouble In Cretaceous Park
Mafia 24: The Rumor
Mafia 25: Under the eyes of the White Raven
Mafia 26: Mafio Party
Mafia 27: Witches in Twisted Miasma
Mafia 28: Carnage in the Colosseum
Mafia 29: Heresy and Where to Find it
Mafia 30: Welcome to Moonton
Mafia 31: Cabin Fever
Mafia 32: QUARANTINE PROTOCOL: ☣ BIOHAZARD ☣
Mafia 33: Arch-Demon's Amusement
Mafia 34: Shadows on the Silverbird
Mafia 35: Arch-Demon's Eternal Game
Mafia 36: Mesozoic Mafia (Two Links)
Mafia 37: Paranoia in the Streets
Mafia 38: Arch-Demon's Eternal Game 2: Eternal Boogaloo
Mafia 39: Arch-Demon's Eternal Game 3: Weren't We Just Here?
Mafia 40: Congregation of Despair
Mafia 41: Clown Academy
Mafia 42: Dragon Ball M(afia)
Mafia 43: A Game of Crowns
Mafia 44: Storm Trooper Mafia
Mafia 45: Arch-Fiend's Eternal Game (or, Arch-Demon's Eternal Game 4.0 aka more Mafia)
Mafia 46: The Morrsley Village Experiment
Mafia 47: Scarlet Hand Finale
Mafia 48: The Aetherial Concordant
Mafia 49: A Murder of Crows
Mafia 50: Debutante Mafia
Mafia 51: Game, Set, Mafia
Mafia 52: Arch-Demon's Eternal Game: Aeon Edition, The Turtle Chronicles
Mafia 53: Grandfather Clock and the Town of Mimics
Mafia 54: The Rocket Train Incident
Mafia 55: Chess Mafia
Mafia 56: Spy Games
Mafia 57: Origin of Conclusion
Mafia 58: Ephemereal Mafia
Mafia 59: The Great Spirit War
Mafia 60: Chess Mafia 2
Mafia 61: Amongst Us Mafia
Mafia 62: Of Mirror Universes and Goatee'd Villains, A Very Silly Mafia Game (Far Side of the Mirror)
Mafia 63: Skaven Mafia
Mafia 64: Mafia Crossover Episode
Mafia 65: A Bellicose Breakdown
Mafia 66: Prosopagnosia (Worm Mafia) (It just starts on this one.)
Mafia 67: Blood on the Clocktower: Trouble Brews in SV...
Mafia 68: These Holiday Nights: Bring Someone Else's Role Edition
Mafia 69: Everyone is Zaealix Mafia
Mafia 70: Byzantine Failure
Mafia 71: Silence on the Steppes
Mafia 72: Fantasy Roll-Up Mafia
Mafia 73: Mega-Mafia Potluck Surprise Mafia
Mafia 74: She-ra Lost Hope Mafia
Mafia 75: Hugh's Perfectly Normal Mafia Game Where Nothing Weird Happens Whatsoever
Mafia 76: The Daytime Mafia
Mafia 77: Arch-Demon's Eternal Potluck
Mafia 78: Vampire the Mafsquerade, An Anarch's Election
Mafia 79: Grand Line Mafia
Mafia 80: Hugh's Perfectly Abnormal Mafia Game Where Everything Weird Happens Oh God (And We Promise It's Not Mountainous This Time)
Mafia 81: Just a relaxed game of JK9
Mafia 82: An Exhausted Exo-colony
Mafia 83: Paranoia

@hugh_donnetono I'd like to request this be pinned as Informational or Sidestory or Apocrypha please.
Arch Fiends, Arch Demons (Rolled Roles Link), and Skaven Mafia did have role cards, links to relevant portions. These Holiday Nights had a google doc (link) for all the roles shared in the discord.
Mahou Shoujo didn't have a collected role list, but did have some of the rolecards quoted in thread after game end, and the Perfectly Abnormal Mafia Game can be discounted since nobody had roles in that game to begin with.

Think that's all the relevant stuff.
 
That was my elaboration though. We're Day 1 and Atoms is hard confirming the existence of a specific role, which they also are hard believing to be a cult. The only way they would know that it exists at this point is if they either have the role that they are claiming is a cult role, they are in communication with someone who has claimed the role and so are either a cultist or should know that it is most likely not a cult role in this game, or their role informs them as to the existence of the role which would be either an executioner style trying to get it killed or someone that just knows what all the roles in the game are which is unbelievable on the basis of "I don't recognize that role from past games" and "Hugh should really know better than to give the possibility for everyone to learn what all the roles are in this role madness game."

Furthermore, I'm Commander Rhodes and this is the best thread in the forums.
So fun question, but on the off chance he's not scum, are you gonna have any kind of explanation? I highly doubt you're 100% calling your shot right now, after all, so can we get the counterargument out of the way first?
[X] Vote Nictis

We're not just letting this slide right?

Need to do a proper read through as most of what I did is skim

What's "this" in this context? Please explain.
...Not sure why I'm even asking, someone's gonna ask before I catch up. Bleh.

btw, lots of weird stuff going with posts. Colors, phrases, all that. I'm not sure if it's just meming, emphasis, or trying to go "I'm doing a role thing~"
Thanks for explaining.

It's also occurred to me that, so I'm imagining it's occurred to the mafia and third parties as well, that given that this games is structured on content and roles from previous games, there is even more value in targeting veteran players than in normal games since they have the necessary experience to suss out roles based on prior play. I think we should adapt our playstyle with this in mind.
But who would actually have participated in all those games? Sure, vets would play more than people who have this as their first or third game on the site, but there's no way anyone has enough experience to not have huge blindspots everywhere.
If hugh went back to 2016 games, which he apparently did
I don't disbelieve you, just curious on source.

btw, just gonna say I'm not comfortable with the atom votes. It feels like a pressure vote for info that's going to get, uh. A Result, rather than something that's gonna get them lynched. I don't know what that Result is, but I feel the phantom sieve of infoleaking.
Which is weird because I like the arguments for the votes? They make sense. I just... don't get a good feeling of the overall momentum.
...and then bean makes a much better statement against the wagon with way better arguments, bleh.
To clarify, I'm deeply unhappy with being a vanilla in an expected power madness game, but a proper lady doesn't let her emotions get the better of her.
fwiw, I don't believe you either. At this point, I'm half-thinking the fluff of the role you got is a compulsive liar, so you're rolling with it.
 
Ehh fine I want to not construct a list and just one answer from anyone can save me so much time, so whatever. I just have one question that any one and ONLY one person needs to answer.

Is anyone a role that died in the specific game you're from? I just want to be able to give up on this stupid list just because my role lived to the end of its game.

My brain doesn't want me to move away from this idea and is making it harder for me to actually participate so please someone free me.
 
...huh. I didn't realize that one was so far back. Thought the first games were more generic.
Ehh fine I want to not construct a list and just one answer from anyone can save me so much time, so whatever. I just have one question that any one and ONLY one person needs to answer.

Is anyone a role that died in the specific game you're from? I just want to be able to give up on this stupid list just because my role lived to the end of its game.

My brain doesn't want me to move away from this idea and is making it harder for me to actually participate so please someone free me.
To clarify, only someone whose role was dead by the end of the game should answer?
 
[X] Vote Archeo Lumiere
I'm tired, but openly role claiming day 1 under minimal pressure is not something to encourage. Especially because vanillas job is to pretend not to be one in order to act as ablative armor to town.

Also can attest my role was dead in the game it's from.
 
Insomnia sucks and I don't feel like doing something super thorough regarding Byzantine right now, which I think is the main thing that I really feel like is pinging me enough to toss pressure around at the moment, but can somebody clarify what the Archeo push is supposed to accomplish? Let's say he's lying. Why is scum more likely to do that than Town Archeo? What benefit does anti-town get from it? What will voting Archeo actually accomplish even in just moving the game forward? At least with the Atom vote we could pressure more full information about what is going on there out, and that would be... info.
 
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