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This Mighty Scourge of War: A Reconstruction-Era Quest

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[X] Dispatch a representative to meet with the Camp Napoleon compact.
[X] Attempt to force a preferred policy slate through Congress.
 
Kirook said:
Should President Foster choose to go forward with that course of action against their will, he would have little political capital with which to push forward his own plans for Reconstruction. This in turn would mean that the Radicals could ram through their own plans, which had taken a sharp turn for the punitive since the White Camelia Conspiracy and especially since Booth's escape—to the dismay of the War Democrats and the outrage of white Southerners of all classes.
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Restricted settler expansion westwards, and radical reconstruction to the South? Ohhh yeah

[X] Dispatch a representative to meet with the Camp Napoleon compact.
 
[X] Attempt to force a preferred policy slate through Congress.
[X] Dispatch a representative to meet with the Camp Napoleon compact.

The single most important political question at hand is how we're going to handle reconstruction. All the good intentions everywhere else will turn to ash if we fumble that - if we let the fucking planters get away with remaining the South's ruling class the war will have been fought for nothing.
 
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[X] Attempt to force a preferred policy slate through Congress.
Last minute opinion change. I am kinda worried that if we go for the hard option given by Camp Napoleon we could accidentally end reconstruction early (because it is hard)
 
[X] Dispatch a representative to meet with the Camp Napoleon compact.

This only has upsides as far as I'm concerned
 
[X] Attempt to force a preferred policy slate through Congress.

Personally im suspicious regarding the Camp Napoleon option,these ,,too good to be true" things tend to have nasty surprises associated with them more often than not-as MSH pointed out things could very well spiral into fucking over Reconstruction,and id rather not find that out the hard way.
 
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Okay, I just want to take a moment to clarify something, because evidently I haven't explained the possible upsides and downsides clearly enough. "Radical Reconstruction" as mentioned in the Camp Napoleon option is only tangentially related to materially breaking the power of the planter class. Civil rights policies, as I said, are the consensus view among all Republican factions including the Liberals; and while it's true that more ambitious plans for land redistribution and the like are mostly the province of the Radicals, right now they're much less interested in implementing those plans than they are in punishing the South collectively for the White Camelia Conspiracy.

All of which is to say that given their current mood, what you can expect from the Radical Republicans bears less resemblance to an "ideal" Reconstruction plan than it does to, say, de-Ba'thification in Iraq. You can still pick it anyway if you think you can restrain those punitive impulses in the future, or if you feel that reining in American settler colonialism makes this worth it anyway, but you should understand what you're voting for, and that it definitely isn't all upside.
 
[X] Attempt to force a preferred policy slate through Congress.
[X] Dispatch a representative to meet with the Camp Napoleon compact.
 
SouvikKundu said:
Is it possible to consolidate native Americans under a state and provide them with statehood?
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That's just a reservation with a different name, and I imagine we'd respect the borders just as much. As I understand it the early state borders were pretty blurry, and it came down to judges like the supreme court to resolve territory disputes between states. I imagine that the SC would probably side with the white settlers almost every time.
 
SouvikKundu said:
Is it possible to consolidate native Americans under a state and provide them with statehood?
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Oklahoma was meant to be one step above that, an autonomous native nation within the borders of the US, then we decided lolno and told white settlers they could have it, because that's how every native treaty historically worked.

Then they started bragging about cheating the settlement start date and nicknamed the whole state after it. Sooners are weird.
 
[X] Dispatch a representative to meet with the Camp Napoleon compact.

We'll handle the bloodlust when it comes, as it comes. For now, it's best to mop up Texas in the least costly way possible, which means treating with the United Nations.
 
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Kirook said:
All of which is to say that given their current mood, what you can expect from the Radical Republicans bears less resemblance to an "ideal" Reconstruction plan than it does to, say, de-Ba'thification in Iraq. You can still pick it anyway if you think you can restrain those punitive impulses in the future, or if you feel that reining in American settler colonialism makes this worth it anyway, but you should understand what you're voting for, and that it definitely isn't all upside.
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Hmm

Alright then

[X] Attempt to force a preferred policy slate through Congress.

Gotta try to tamp down RadRep vengefulness a tad, because a too-destructive reconstruction is counterproductive against achieving the goal of a more thorough reconstruction than OTL
 
Nevis said:
That's just a reservation with a different name, and I imagine we'd respect the borders just as much. As I understand it the early state borders were pretty blurry, and it came down to judges like the supreme court to resolve territory disputes between states. I imagine that the SC would probably side with the white settlers almost every time.
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We can not delay Oklahoma's statehood until white settlers have moved in, though. As much as being a state isn't foolproof, being a territory is much worse.
 
Kirook said:
Okay, I just want to take a moment to clarify something, because evidently I haven't explained the possible upsides and downsides clearly enough. "Radical Reconstruction" as mentioned in the Camp Napoleon option is only tangentially related to materially breaking the power of the planter class. Civil rights policies, as I said, are the consensus view among all Republican factions including the Liberals; and while it's true that more ambitious plans for land redistribution and the like are mostly the province of the Radicals, right now they're much less interested in implementing those plans than they are in punishing the South collectively for the White Camelia Conspiracy.

All of which is to say that given their current mood, what you can expect from the Radical Republicans bears less resemblance to an "ideal" Reconstruction plan than it does to, say, de-Ba'thification in Iraq. You can still pick it anyway if you think you can restrain those punitive impulses in the future, or if you feel that reining in American settler colonialism makes this worth it anyway, but you should understand what you're voting for, and that it definitely isn't all upside.
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Ah, I see. In that case,

[X] Attempt to force a preferred policy slate through Congress.

Changing my vote. Getting Reconstruction right is the most important thing right now imo.
 
Regency said:
Attempt to force a preferred policy slate through Congress.
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If this fails, the outcome could be similar with either the "Dispatch a representative to meet with the Camp Napoleon compact." option, or the "Push for a less strict Reconstruction plan." option, I assume depending on our subsequent choices.

But if this tactic succeeds we could get to have our cake and eat it too (better outcome for natives + less vengeful but still a reconstruction more thorough than OTL 🙏 ) since I don't think the president's preferred plan (better outcome for natives + moderate reconstruction like OTL) will cleanly survive the "sausage-making" of legislating as-is due to RadRep strength in Congress.

Edit: Whoops meant to quote myself, changed it
Edit2: some reworking.
 
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