- Location
- Earth
[X] Accept the industrialists' deal.
This Mighty Scourge of War: A Reconstruction-Era Quest
- Thread starter Kirook
- Start date
- Alt. History
- Location
- Most likely California
[X] Attempt to force a preferred policy slate through Congress.
[X] Dispatch a representative to meet with the Camp Napoleon compact.
- Location
- Phoenix, Arizona
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Attempt to force a preferred policy slate through Congress.
This is weird, cause California was pretty decently integrated into the union, right?
- Location
- an unseen void
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- Any
John Booth's California bb, get ready
- Location
- The internet
[X] Attempt to force a preferred policy slate through Congress.
[X] Accept the industrialists' deal.
This, incidentally, likely means that unless the Tribe's plan is Big Sequoyah and we actually manage to get that through Congress things will just end up like OTL in a decade anyway because the tribes are too damn easy to bully.
[X] Accept the industrialists' deal.
While true, its also unfortunately true that the Native Americans basically don't matter at this point. I'm not an expert on how many men under arms this Camp Napoleon Council has at this point, but I'd guess that it's under 10,000 men, and likely substantially so. It's certainly under 20,000 given that that's the number of Native Americans who fought in the civil war total, and a notable minority of ~3.5k fought for the union.
This, incidentally, likely means that unless the Tribe's plan is Big Sequoyah and we actually manage to get that through Congress things will just end up like OTL in a decade anyway because the tribes are too damn easy to bully.
Oh noes, this option will both lessen settling in the West AND give the Radicals more control over reconstruction. A most terrible choice indeed
This isn't necessarily so. A political impasse in enacting Reconstruction may ultimately serve to let the momentum swing away, and towards the political decline of the Radicals. At that point, a Reconstruction weaker than OTL could be the result.
- Location
- Austin
- Pronouns
- She/They
[X] Accept the industrialists' deal.
Proletariatize the south making a communist overthrow of the US more likely in the future.
Proletariatize the south making a communist overthrow of the US more likely in the future.
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- He/They/She
This user accelerations
- Location
- Derna
Very suspicious of the industrialists option. IRL carpetbaggers hatched similar plans for the post-war South, though obviously with much less planning and capital behind them. And they were pretty successful at taking over chunks of the Southern economy, even modernizing them, and they fought pretty hard to defend the political rights of Black people!
But as businessmen, guys of this type don't really have a motive to push for Black economic power in the South. They'd probably land on the side of not rocking the boat when it comes to things like "should freedmen work for White landowners or own their own land?" And questions of rural political economy like that are going to be vital for the South's future, unless Vanderbilt goes absolutely sicko mode and somehow manages to totally urbanize the South in a couple decades.
But as businessmen, guys of this type don't really have a motive to push for Black economic power in the South. They'd probably land on the side of not rocking the boat when it comes to things like "should freedmen work for White landowners or own their own land?" And questions of rural political economy like that are going to be vital for the South's future, unless Vanderbilt goes absolutely sicko mode and somehow manages to totally urbanize the South in a couple decades.
- Location
- Austin
- Pronouns
- She/They
In the near term it's also the easiest way to destroy the planter class.
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- He/They/She
It's just replacing chattel slavery with wage slavery. Transparently so and in a way that more or less happened otl, with robber barons and company towns, just presumably faster.
I'd buy the accelerationist argument more than "it's destroying the planter class" tbh. If I wanted to just merc one group of oligarchs and replace them with a slightly more scientific-positivist set of oligarchs I'd go play Vic 3.
- Location
- SF Bay Area
It was, it's just that between the Native Americans, the Confederates, and the Mormons the communication lines have been cut.
- Location
- Austin
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- She/They
I mean you're certainly describing how things played out IRL in the North and West, but in the South what replaced chattle slavery was share cropping, which was slavery in all but name and actively prioritized keeping the antebellum social structure over everything, even profits. Like that system is why we grow most of our vegetables in the desert, the land owners wanted cotton to be grown even as it collapsed in value because you can't eat cotton.
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- He
[X] Attempt to force a preferred policy slate through Congress.
Spylobster
Centrist-Malenyevist
[X] Attempt to force a preferred policy slate through Congress.
[X] Dispatch a representative to meet with the Camp Napoleon compact.
[X] Dispatch a representative to meet with the Camp Napoleon compact.
Solarstream
It's all in the cards
- Location
- Zombie World
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Attempt to force a preferred policy slate through Congress.
Astra Myst
Do you want a wish?
- Location
- Milky Way Galaxy
[X] Accept the industrialists' deal.
neutronium95
Mad Rocketeer
- Location
- The launch pad
[x] Dispatch a representative to meet with the Camp Napoleon compact.
[X] Attempt to force a preferred policy slate through Congress.
[X] Dispatch a representative to meet with the Camp Napoleon compact.
[X] Dispatch a representative to meet with the Camp Napoleon compact.
[X] Dispatch a representative to meet with the Camp Napoleon compact.