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A Rat's Guide to Glory

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Tbh, I don't think we can in any way win against Elena.

She's way too goddamn strong even if Maria, Hifumi, Giano, Ciel, Parvati, and basically most other fixers we've met so far teamed up to fight her (discounting Ms. purple snake).

Wait! We do have that card from Agnus. Maybe we can call in the Claw and ask whether or not Elena paid her taxes for those zombies of hers.
 
questioningmeme said:
Tbh, I don't think we can in any way win against Elena.

She's way too goddamn strong even if Maria, Hifumi, Giano, Ciel, Parvati, and basically most other fixers we've met so far teamed up to fight her (discounting Ms. purple snake).

Wait! We do have that card from Agnus. Maybe we can call in the Claw and ask whether or not Elena paid her taxes for those zombies of hers.
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For "plan C", Ciel would need to know Elena's name, and thus ask it from her, and THEN call in the Claw. But even then, couldn't she just have paid taxes with money stolen from her victims? Not to mention, Claws only step in if she skipped out three times. If there wasn't already a Claw then, some way or another, taxes aren't an issue for her. She's a monster, yes, but also responsible with money maybe?

Moreover, the solution to the blood-red-night were fixers. Not a Claw nor arbiter were dispatched. The Head ultimately views bloodfiends as humans so we can't bank on the whole "Don't try to be a human if you ain't one already", stance the Head has.

And then there's all time needed to make this happen, can Ciel survive being put on hold while soft jazz plays over the phone?
 
That was a joke in case you thought it was a serious suggestion.

But in terms of the Fixers we'd need to call in for us to survive the battle, we might need to call Hana itself for a threat as large as a potential Star of the City opponent (she's probably not as strong as the Elena that attacked the Library).
 
[X] Tell Rose to get Giano out of here. Delay Elena for as long as possible.
[X] Use yourself to slow her down, success no matter what.
 
questioningmeme said:
(she's probably not as strong as the Elena that attacked the Library).
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Unfortunately, that still place her at *Star of the city* level, she was one when Roland and his wife took care of her, and I don't think her strength increased that much during that period of her life so much as her reputation.

The goal here, is survive, winning is living to see another day… well, our client and/or friend doing so, Ciel will just have a very bad case of quantum immortality and maybe horrible maiming.
 
Nyarky said:
maybe horrible maiming
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Given the state we fought the Vermilion Cross in...

Let's just say that the timelines where Ciel dies are very very unpleasant for our protagonist. We are talking from the Carmen treatment to the Smiling Faces treatment.

The blood red night certainly is as sadistic as the title would suggest.
 
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questioningmeme said:
The blood red night certainly is as sadistic as the title would suggest.
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At the very least, it is a good thing for us that she prefers killing her ennemies to use their corpses than to mind control them or just injure them, means more chances that Ciel ends up straight up dead, which from the point of view of timeline changes, means more chances of Ciel being whole at the end.

Now, it doesn't protect others, so getting them out is top priority from this point of view.

You know, if we pull that one enough, I can see our name as a color being related to it, maybe green for lucky?
 
[jk] Flirt with her and hope she'll be too baffled by it to chase after your crew

We might aswell try since we have a hairs chance on slowing her down through combat. :V

[X] Tell Rose to get Giano out of here. Delay Elena for as long as possible.

I'll vote for this but...eh...I have a bad feeling...like the result of this will be worse because we tried to have our cake while eating it too.
 
Brightflame said:
I'll vote for this but...eh...I have a bad feeling...like the result of this will be worse because we tried to have our cake while eating it too.
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Tbh, we 100% deserve anything wrong that happens to us here.

It's kind of our fault for
1, not thinking at all last vote. Being more distracted by the Prescript than what's important, which is our FUCKING JOBBBBBB. In a way, our act of overly focusing on it basically ended up with us fulfilling its objectives anyway. (No one was there to keep watch on Rose)
2, being a bit too dismissive of Rose's thorns connections. We should've checked the thorn base first instead of chicken footing around and wasting time for leads that we weren't 100% certain of their results.

We completely played into the hand of the Will of the City, so we are just reaping the storm for our hubris here.

However, it's not as if Rose or Giano is at risk if it's not us dragging them away from the location, as Rose's T-Corp item letting her move a thousand times faster than normal would allow her to escape from Elena regardless (hopefully Elena isn't worth 1000 Roses, which she probably does).

And Elena would be more busy tormenting/sadistically torturing Ciel before killing them so it's probably not too unlikely for her to chase after the T-Corp boosted Rose either.

In the act of deciding, we forget that Rose is far more capable of running away than Giano or Ciel. There isn't any real choice here besides grabbing Rose and hauling ass, or telling Rose to haul ass and stay behind as the meatshield.

Well. I'm sure the choice of saving Giano wouldn't be a certain death either, but I'm not exactly confident in it for our odds of entering the Hana Association that way.
 
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questioningmeme said:
being a bit too dismissive of Rose's thorns connections. We should've checked the thorn base first instead of chicken footing around and wasting time for leads that we weren't 100% certain of their results.
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More precisely, as I said from day one; we should have checked the base with Rose right away, instead of taking our scouts that don't know potential targets on sight and taking Rose on the other part, had we just inverted the teams the very first day, we would have potentially finished this job day one.

But no, Rose could have grown wary, or hostile, except, look now, she admitted herself her father may have been doing extralegal stuff, and knew that the base with zombies we investigated was her old one, meaning she knew since we got the results or a little later that we knew about her activities here, yet didn't grow wary or hostile to us about it.

She only grew impatient because we neglected the trail that was most obvious to her (the zombies) after having proven we did know about it at that.

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Actually, just realized a thing:

About those telling Rose may have grown hostile if we revealed that we knew about her old hideout, well, we actually never hid that fact after scouting the place, and did do the debriefing about it right in front of her.
 
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In a way, the way we dealt with the prescript was almost like the Will was laughing at us.

Imagine it, the fool thinking that this act of rebellion will matter, when they themselves willingly walked into danger's reach through their own ignorance.

We was too busy being worried about our own client, and got sidetracked by something that doesn't matter to the mission at all (the prescript) instead of spending time worrying about our EXAM INTO HANA.

If I was a Hana Examiner I'd probably failed Ciel just for those two facts alone.

We let our bias clouded our minds TWICE. ALL ON THE SAME MISSION. EVEN WITH A SHIT TON OF RESOURCES WE PREPARED FOR.

By all account this mission should've been simple.

But now we are stuck in a situation where we have to do a trolley problem. But instead of the trolley it's helltrain.
 
questioningmeme said:
We was too busy being worried about our own client, and got sidetracked by something that doesn't matter to the mission at all (the prescript) instead of spending time worrying about our EXAM INTO HANA.
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To be honest, an examiner probably doesn't have access to our thoughts, and thus our action of *Ok, just burn the prescript and go back to work* is actually a big plus instead of a negative.

It's only if you know that we got completely sidetracked from thinking past how to deal with the prescript that they would be unhappy.

We should indeed have discussed what to do about the vote, instead of what to do about the prescript, and I am guilty of that one too, but at least it doesn't appear as bad as it is from the outside.
 
[X] Tell Rose to get Giano out of here. Delay Elena for as long as possible.

Welp. It's time to attempt to diplomacy ourselves out of this.:V
 
That's true.

But us just leaving Rose to her own when one of the condition for the mission is to guard her was careless of us.

We even knew ahead of time that this woman was suicidal enough to want to join in on the investigation herself!
 
questioningmeme said:
Well. I'm sure the choice of saving Giano wouldn't be a certain death either, but I'm not exactly confident in it for our odds of entering the Hana Association that way.
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The part with scaling right and wrong decisions to reach the goal is over. The goal found you and now you get to pick a character moment. I would not need to offer the vote if only one of the two options were viable.
Nyarky said:
About those telling Rose may have grown hostile if we revealed that we knew about her old hideout, well, we actually never hid that fact after scouting the place, and did do the debriefing about it right in front of her.
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The team hid it, they never said which hideout it was. Rose still has no idea and long forgot that her own gang was situated in the same area; it does not really look like when she was around, either.
 
Naron said:
Rose still has no idea and long forgot that her own gang was situated in the same area; it does not really look like when she was around, either.
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Ah, oops.

Still, this still means that we could have taken her there anyway, since she might not even have recognized it.

Ok, moving on, Elena, how to job to her... err, I mean, how to become her new zombie... err, how do we have Rose survive, that! ignore the rest! :V

And to add to Naron's post above (told with permission):

He had told me in Pms just a little after the vote closed that he intended to distract us with the prescript, and that they did their job (we all fell for it, and I am not going to pretend I didn't when everyone can see the discussion I had only talking about it). This also means that as he said, this was accounted for, and since he isn't the kind of QM that gives unsolvable situation like that, this is not a dead end to the mission.

We have consequences to face, Elena shaped ones, but we can still do things and try, there are ways, now we have to find one of them. The vote proposed has some promises, but if we all think on it, I'm sure we can find others.

Discussion is good there, no time for paralysis.
 
Well, not really much to discuss since we all seems to decide that it's time to be a punching bag for Elena to flail on.

Unless the other votes can bring up reasons why we shouldn't commit suicide.

We can't really do much since this is a split second decision and all.

Everything is up to Ciel now.
 
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