Imaginary Stories: A DC Producer Quest

[X] [SUPERMAN-CASTING] Bring in all current candidates for interviews.
[X] [LUTHOR] Adapt an older Lex Luthor.
[X] [METALLO] Heart and steel. Metallo is clearly human with cybernetic spunk.
[X] [LOIS-and-LANA] Run separate casting calls for Superman's love interests.
 
Keep in mind that the terminator design even if it is based on one doesn't need to be an exact copy there's some range for it and Metallo typically has morphing weaponry and the like too.
 
[ ][SUPERMAN-CASTING] Bring in all current candidates for interviews.
Let's talk to all of them, see who works and who doesn't.

[ ] [LUTHOR] Do not decide on Luthor's age until an actor is decided, avoiding potential plots that relate to Luthor and Clark's ages.
I say hold off on picking a Lex age yet, as much as I like a younger Luthor, let's just open the floor with age-blind and color-blind casting. See who stands out. Maybe a young actor appeals to us, maybe an old one, maybe an actor who isn't even white.

[ ] [METALLO] Flesh and metal. Take inspiration from The Terminator for Metallo's design.
It's a cool look, let's go Terminator on this.

[ ] [LOIS-and-LANA] Run a joint casting call for Superman's love interests.
It's just as important for the ladies to have chemistry, as it is for them to have it with Clark. It would be nice if there were scenes with them together, where their differences are emphazised, while they might bond over their similarities.

I would also advocate for color-blind casting here, Kristen Kreuk was a fantastic Lana Lang, whose to say the next Lana or Lois can't be POC?

EDIT: New vote below
 
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Mind in the case of Lana it is a bit harder to imagine her alleged attitude of rural life coming from a POC or it should be informed by such(especially like Kansas).
 
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Mind in the case of Lana it is a bit harder to imagine her alleged attitude of rural life coming from a POC or it should be informed by such(especially like Kansas).
Not really? This is set in like the early 2000s, POC live on farms and in places like Kansas, and have been for a long time. She could be Latinx, Native American, Black, and thus have family that's been there since the founding of Smallville.
 
Not really? This is set in like the early 2000s, POC live on farms and in places like Kansas, and have been for a long time. She could be Latinx, Native American, Black, and thus have family that's been there since the founding of Smallville.
Can confirm this. From rural Kentucky and there's actually been a large Filipino presence since about 2005. I think the immigration was because they were just getting absolutely wrecked over there in the 2000's by every natural disaster under the sun.
 
I say hold off on picking a Lex age yet, as much as I like a younger Luthor, let's just open the floor with age-blind and color-blind casting. See who stands out. Maybe a young actor appeals to us, maybe an old one, maybe an actor who isn't even white.
I'm on board with a POC Luthor, but leaving his age for lather would cause a delay in the script. His relationship with Clark, what he represents to the story, would change depending on his age, so until we make a decision on that, a big part of the story will be left blank.
 
I would also advocate for color-blind casting here, Kristen Kreuk was a fantastic Lana Lang, whose to say the next Lana or Lois can't be POC?
With Kenneth Branagh as director, there's always going to be an element of color-blind casting here. This is the man who cast Denzel Washington and Keanu Reaves as brothers all the way back in 1993. With a joint casting call, you're going to get predominantly American and European actresses and potential actresses being scouted and brought in for the role. With separate casting calls here, you're going to get more selected groups; Lois's options will remain primarily American and European actresses, but Lana's options will be fleshed out with international talents from China, South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, India, [...] that otherwise are unlikely to appear in joint casting calls.

As a pair of examples to hopefully make what I mean here more clear, Zhang Jingchu and Jun Ji-hyun are examples of options that'd only show up for a Lana Lang solo casting. Jingchu is a talented Chinese actress who has yet to appear in any international films at that point in time and is virtually an unknown to international audiences, but she's someone who might be scouted by a dedicated push. Olivia Munn, on the other hand, is an example of an actress who would show up in both a joint casting call for the LLs or in individual casting calls.
 
[X] [SUPERMAN-CASTING] Bring in all current candidates for interviews.

Agree that we should have our candidates try out.

[X] [LUTHOR] Adapt an older Lex Luthor.

To differentiate from the current ongoing Smallville run right now.

[X] [METALLO] Heart and steel. Metallo is clearly human with cybernetic spunk.

Prefer this for the look. Metallo-er this way.

[X] [LOIS-and-LANA] Run separate casting calls for Superman's love interests.

We might want flexibility with the choice. Lana Lang and Lois Lane doesn't have to fit the same casting and look requirement.
 
Chris Baraniuk's "The Flash: Chapter №1"
I thought to release all three of them at the same time, but even this took so long! For now, I'm releasing Chapter 1 of...
The Flash Trilogy
A Proposal. Chapter №1​
by Chris Baraniuk​

The trilogy is based on a number of post-Crisis stories, with the rise of Zoom I and Zoom II as the Flash's arch-enemies, and the strengthening of the Rogues brand. The pre-Crisis stories are thus left for animation to explore. The Flash, by design, is an incredibly overpowered character, and while the first film side-steps this by dealing with a rookie, in general the idea is not to challenge or deconstruct the idea of the fastest man alive (via bringing the concept closer to reality, considering how much does he need to eat, what does he need to do for his heart to survive etc.), but to rely on the more phantasmagorical comic concepts, like the Speed Force, to use them to tell larger than life stories. Therefore, if the changes to the pitches are made, they should center on the central themes of the trilogy: ingenuity, limitless potential of discovering new knowledge, survival through tragedy, and, lastly, mercy and forgiveness.

"The Flash" will follow Barry Allen discovering his powers, questioning whether they have limits and what exactly can he do with them to make the world a better place, as his old life unexpectedly crashes around him, leaving him wondering for the cause of his problems. The secondary characters are Wally West, Iris West, and Hunter Zolomon, mainly representing Barry's civilian life before he becomes empowered, but also inserting him into his superhero activities. The main antagonist is Eobard Thawne, a.k.a. Zoom, a more powerful speedster from the future swearing vengeance the Flash, aiming to reverse his success.

"The Flash 2: The Rogues Gallery" will follow another interpretation of limits to Barry Allen's powers, and whether one can be a hero without them. It will include the rise of Wally West to the mantle of the Flash, as well as the sacrifices of Barry Allen and Hunter Zolomon as the fight to take their Gem Cities back from criminals that can manage to overcome the Flash himself. The primary antagonists are Leonard Snart and Lisa Snart, masterminding the takeover of Keystone City, but the Rogues Gallery is intended to be a massive "villain team", using their numbers, various powers and ingenuity to defeat the seemingly godly Scarlet Speedster.

"The Flash 3: Blitz" will follow Wally West after the death (or otherwise removal from spotlight) of Barry Allen, as he tries to balance his wish of properly honoring Barry's legacy as the Flash with his own desires for glory, popularity, and a possibility of a "normal life" beyond that of a superhero, married to Linda Park, one of the major characters from TF2:TRG. The main antagonist is the physically and mentally traumatized Hunter Zolomon, turned into the second Zoom, a Negative Speed Force energy being, somewhat reminiscent of Marvel's Venom in appearance, disgusted with Wally's carefree attitude about heroics, and intending to teach him how tragedy shapes heroes, as it, in Zolomon's eyes, did with Allen.

Proposals for the Cast of the Trilogy (may be updated later):​
Barry Allen / The Flash ― no preferred actor
Iris West ― no preferred actress, casting may be raceblind/colorblind
Wally West / The Flash ― James and Oliver Phelps (twins can help showcase some neat Speed Force tricks)
Eobard Thawne / Zoom I ― Leonardo DiCaprio if we have the bank, Matt Letscher if we don't, keep his looks closer to the comics
Hunter Zolomon / Zoom II ― Michael Fassbender
Linda Park ― Jamie Chung
Lisa Snart / Golden Glider ― Juliana Harkavy ; Carmen Chaplin
Leonard Snart / Captain Cold ― Wentworth Miller
Mick Rory / Heatwave ― Dominic Purcell (for heat, improv, and banter); Andrew Dunbar (for a more serious take)
Hartley Rathaway / Pied Piper ― Matt Bomer; Neil Patrick Harris
The Flash

ACT 1 establishes our main cast, living in the Twin Gem Cities of Central and Keystone. We start out with a rather happy, privileged, if a bit uninspiring, life of Barry Allen, a CSI lab tech assisting decorated police detective Hunter Zolomon, a serious and aloof, personally traumatized cop, with scientific investigations. Barry is enthusiastic and content, though nerdy fellow: he lives with his parents, a picture of idyllic suburban white American family, reads "Flash Comics" about a (as far as he knows) fictional superhero Jay Garrick, listens to the newest science documentaries (use this for cross-promotion with Discovery or the like), and does physical and chemical experiments at his home lab. Barry's closest friend and co-worker, a younger intern from Keystone at CCPD, the wise-cracking Wally West, sets our dorky hero up for a date with his relative, the prominent local reporter Iris West, a commanding, independent and inquisitive woman with little patience for error. Of course, Barry botches the date, arriving late and being unable to contain his nerdy power level. However, Iris decides to tolerate him after learning that he works for the police and has a rather loose tongue. At times, we notice a yellow shape, zooming away surrounded by red lightning, and a red shape, following it, all in the background outside of the view (director's easter eggs, like the yellow shape's reflections in mirrors or kitchenware during "idyllic family scenes" would be appreciated). Nothing bad seems to happen to our main cast, though we're introduced in the CCPD chatter and Iris-Barry scene to the investigation of a massive criminal operation overseen by the Bohannan Crime Family.

Barry's empowerment as the Flash can happen either at his home lab, or at work, largely mirroring the comic version: chemical experimentation and a lightning bolt, a chance, an impossibility (have Barry try to investigate what could cause his transformation, and arrive at no definitive answer). This empowerement and Barry's first acts of heroism as the Flash are in sort-of "ACT 1.5": the general atmosphere of the film should stay idyllic for a little bit, even as fantastic elements are introduced. With Wally as his confidant, Barry is gushing over all his new powers and abilities. Wally asks him what he'd like to do with these powers, and Barry replies: be a hero, just like Jay Garrick (depending on prior films released you could have him be inspired by Superman, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel or whoever. Maybe have Wally suggest Batman, and Barry be horrified at the comparison with a ruthless vigilante). His ideas of heroism are extremely old-school and motivated by comic book fantasies: he even already has a suit prepared (to Wally's stupor), explaining it as his personal nerd project about what kind of suit would a super-fast hero realistically require. He can barely wait before turning his dreams of stopping crime for real (not as some CSI helper!) into reality. Barry invades Zolomon's stakeout against a Bohannan Family smuggling operation, picking up speeding bullets shot at the officers, then capturing all criminals before they can escape and delivering them to the police with a smile. The one escapee is a cautious thug Leonard Snart, who witnessed the dismantling of the operation from afar, and leaked it to the press. Zolomon is grumbling about the impossible vigilante interfering with their jobs, but the Flash (christened so by Iris West) has no subtlety responding to any danger he and Wally hear of: catching crooks on motorcycles, putting out fires, even something as ridiculous as saving kittens from trees and helping old ladies cross the street at superspeed (may play into humor, or it may be used as some positive message for the younger viewers, but remember, that this still plays into the intentional ridiculousness the picture should maintain in the first act). Zolomon notices the usually phlegmatic Barry's sudden liveliness and sudden disappearances, but decides not to confront him yet. Barry mostly stays the same nerdy guy, continuing his experiments (and running new ones with Wally, looking at his powers), but gets a bit more confident and smooth at his second date with Iris (have him be late nevertheless, that's a treasured running gag from the old comic books). He tries to be smart and daring, telling her he can organize a meeting with the Flash for her, and when it happens she instantly figures out who he is, with neither the mask, nor his "vibrated" voice and features fooling her, as she asks Barry to respect her intelligence (maybe reference Superman, with "You could at least have tried wearing glasses to throw me off"). She agrees to keep his secret, in return for getting the first scoop on anything interesting in his superhero career, though she advices him to find something more interesting than chasing cats and grannies. That makes him ponder just what could he do. Wally suggests expanding his operations to Keystone City, or maybe to the whole two states-by-the-river, what's with his powers allowing to get anywhere in the blink of an eye. Barry follows advice, catching criminals state-wide, maybe even going international (here's an option for picturesque scenes for the international market: have the Flash run around the ancient cities of India, or the Great Wall of China, or some other recognizable locale, maybe have cameos from other superheroes reacting to the speedish shape of red, followed by yellow lightning). One time, Barry gets so fast in his desire to help so many that he accidentally rips space and time, running straight into a time portal (again, a chance to show "windows" to some period pieces, maybe featuring Wonder Woman, the Hawks in ancient Egypt, and others), eventually dropping into the Mezozoic Era, surprising a T. rex and remarking on some feather Dromeosauridae. The Flash leaves the prehistoric past with a smile, confident about his powers, running as fast as he can and coming out of the time stream back in the present… Where his smile falters.

ACT 2 requires a more realistic, maybe even bleak direction, contrasting ACT 1's idyllic Americana. Most of the changes in the city should come not from the Flash's actions, but the change in his disposition. We get to notice things the previously content Barry could look past: poverty, run-down buildings, the homeless, even the Allens' white suburbia is no longer a friendly place, but a haunting, unfriendly, horror-reminiscent street. The changes in scenery, music editing, and direction follow Barry Allen trying to make sense of it all, finally coming down to a revelation: his parents are dead, his family home has been sold, and nobody seems to know that things were different before. He breaks down upon the graveyard, sobbing in horror, before being picked up by Wally West, who remarks how Barry always come back to his parents' graves, it seems. Coming to his "new" apartment, which he now shares with Wally, as they cooperate to pay the rent, Barry's head is bursting with memories old and "new" now coexisting in his head. Wally confirms that he's lost Barry's signal and can believe that he traveled through time, but doesn't remember anything about Barry living with his parents. Barry blames himself, horrified at the idea of butterfly effect, musing that maybe stepping upon the wrong blades of glass could change reality in ways he can not understand. At work he speaks with Zolomon, who's now investigating a series of deaths and maimings of people and animals, all seemingly accidental, yet done in a way that Zolomon refuses to discount a super-fast perpetrator involved, suspecting the Flash. As they investigate, they find out that the incidents have a single connection: all of them were saved by the Flash, and someone is reversing every good deed the Flash has done. Horrified, Barry rushes out (to Zolomon's suspicions) and tries to get with Wally and determine which people they saved were still unaffected. He calls Iris, asking her to warn that everyone that was helped by the Flash is now being targeted by an unknown assailant, and her cynical answer makes him remember the old lady that he helped cross the street. He runs as fast as he can to where he met the granny, now about to be thrown into the traffic at the exact same spot. He punches out the barely visible yellow-shape near the old woman at superspeed, as it drops to the ground, red lightning crackling around it. The man in the yellow suit, reminiscent of the Flash's, but with the colors reversed (similarly with highlights the costume department may choose for the suits). The confrontation between the two starts out with lightning-speed punches and the two speedsters zooming between the buildings, attracting attention, before it becomes verbal and public, as the assailant, red eyes burning with hate, claims that the Flash is no hero, but a villain, who invaded the future, and caused him harm, including the murder of his family. The Flash adamantly denies ever going to the future, which gives his assailant pause, before he loudly threatens to destroy the lives of everyone associating with the Flash, so that nobody would dare think this sham a true hero, before running away. The reporters and nosy passersby are flooding the street already, with questions about that Barry cannot answer, all demanding the identity of the Flash, and, now, the so-called "Reverse-Flash". Panicking, overloaded with guilt and horror, Barry tries to escape the crowd. Realizing that he may well hurt people if he tries to rush through the crowd with superspeed, he vibrates his face muscles, hoping to keep his identity secret, and slowly, carefully pushes through the questioning, shouting, accusing and unhappy crowd, hoping that they do not see, do not recognize his face. Finally, he is free, he speeds up and leaves the crowd behind, escaping far out of Central City's center, and into the outskirts. Taking a breath in an alley, he looks at things his powers can not stop: poverty and a lack of hope, and, as he realizes looking down at his suit with guilt, now he can't even provide what little help he could as the happy go lucky superhero. The one moment he felt like a real superhero has passed, in a flash. He takes a bus back home.

Back at the West/Allen apartment, Wally and Iris try to comfort him, saying they'd support either of his decisions. In fact, Iris orders Barry to take a breather, and get his life figured out, before he'll continue rushing headfast into danger unprepared. She proposes the boys lay low and prepare for now, and try to see what the Reverse-Flash's next move is going to be. Barry follows the advice and tries to get back to work as before, helping out Zolomon, who has gotten a tip about the incoming heist of rare equipment at S.T.A.R. Labs, musing whether the pompous enemy of the Flash is the culprit. Barry asks Hunter if he thinks the Flash will risk another conflict with this foe again, and the detective looks at him, pointedly, saying that he should, that a hero must not run away from tragedy, but persevere, let it make him stronger, all the better to take revenge on the worst of monsters this world has to offer. Another policeman interrupts them, the heist at S.T.A.R. Labs has already started! As Barry is left behind by Zolomon, he hears a voice: "I like this guy!" The man in the yellow suit reveals himself to Barry, enjoying the cop's own coffee, cocky and in control, apologizing for the actions of his younger self (he may be played by an older actor hereafter, but it is not necessary). He introduces himself as Zoom, of the 25th century, and talks of how he admired the Flash, a hero of the past, remembered throughout the centuries, in his youth, and chose to emulate his powers, how he wanted to join the Flash as an ally, until finally meeting him and realizing that the man has slaughtered his family, with only a lucky gust of wind pushing him away from joining his family in their ghastly fate, and ruined his livelihood as a son of High Technocrats, forcing him to live in the streets and survive as a petty criminal,. Barry apologizes, surprising Zoom, but says that he has certainly done nothing of the sort at this point of time, and had no reason to do so. With a smirk, Zoom nods, saying that this may be easier than expected, because, if the Flash is ready to ask for forgiveness, then his revenge may be complete. Originally, in his plan of revenge, he intended to fight the Flash, and everything the hero stood for, openly, earning himself the ire of the hero, and even infamy in the now-changed future. Realizing that his future was malleable, Zoom tried to stop the Flash from getting his powers, or even being born, but found himself simply unable to interact with these events, involuntarily (or, perhaps, subconsciously) turning intangible. He realized that, whatever the Force connected his speed and time travel powers would not allow him to prevent the Flash, as without his appearance, he wouldn't get the idea to receive similar powers and travel through time anyway. But now, with the Flash ready to beg for mercy, he could finally say that the memory of his family was avenged, and his revenge was complete. Barry, noticing Zoom's distraught stance, offers whatever condolences he can give, and says that maybe time travel is too dangerous, too unexplored a tool to use lightly: last time he accidentally traveled back in time, he returned to find his parents has, apparently, been dead since he was ten. "Oh," Zoom exclaims, dejectedly, "I don't believe that was a side effect of your travels, only a matter of it aligning with your perspective, so to speak." Barry freezes, horrified, before asking: "Do you know what happened to them?" Zoom nods, and answers with a predatory grin: "It was me, Barry. I killed your parents." Realization settling in, Barry's eyes become full of hatred, getting a red tint, akin to Zoom's, as his typically yellow lightning also turns red, like his foe's. With an almost bestial roar, he charges at the camera.

The next scene finds us at S.T.A.R. Labs, with the staff covering in fear as Leonard Snart and his partner, Mick Rory, a gruff and uncouth pyromaniac, rob the company's "weapons of the future." They are about to get out, as Hunter Zolomon and CCPD arrive at the scene, and a shootout starts, with Rory using a flamethrower, and Snart experimental "cold grenades." The situation is changed as a cop reports massive chaos down the street. It's a battle of speedsters, with the red shape of the Flash getting engulfed by the yellow shape of Zoom again and again, both covered with red lightning. The speedsters' battle causes collateral damage, with cars thrown here and there, and finally them blasting into the S.T.A.R Labs, as their mad rush is followed by thrown-over police cars, forcing the cops, robbers, and scientists to cover in fear for their lives, while the Flash and Zoom, akin to invincible gods, charge through walls of the building, not truly registering where their battle is taking them, with nothing but the crackling of lightning and destruction left behind. A support column crumbles, and a concrete block covers the scientists, unable to get out, as they scream for help. Hunter rushes to try and hold the block, but is unable to do so alone. However, he's joined by Snart and Rory. At the detective's surprised look Rory just shrugs and Snart replies: "Don't kill them, or let them die, unless you have to. That's one of my rules." The scientists are let out to safety, but as Hunter turns to arrest the duo, Snart drops a gas grenade, and they make their escape through the hole left by the battling speedsters.

The Flash and Zoom continue their battle, ultimately arriving at the massive Van Buren Bridge, connecting the Gem Cities. Barry seems faster than ever, yet Zoom evades each of his rage-fueled blows. Realizing that this is the first time the Flash has tapped into the Negative Speed Force, he mocks him, reveling in its mastery. That makes Barry take a pause, concentrate his breathing, and now come back to his old "yellow lightning", as he evades Zoom's attacks. Then Zoom rushes to the bridge's far end and, Barry realizes, tries to take momentum for a devastating attack. Barry does the same, and the two lightning shapes, yellow and red, rush at each other, colliding at the center of the bridge, shaking the world around them with a sonic boom. As the dust lowers down, we come back to look at the scene of the collision. Barry is lying on the ground, struggling to rise, but Zoom, triumphantly, kicks him down. He celebrates his victory, not bothering with superspeed, delivering painful and personal kicks at Barry's defeated form. Zoom explains that, now that the Flash is born, and his powers have become known to the world, he will have his place in the history books, though his reign as hero is going to be cut short. Now there is nothing stopping him from ending the Flash, his revenge complete. He kneels down to Barry, vibrates his hand at incredible speed, threatening to press it into his heart, just like he did to his parents. Saying that their race is over, Zoom declares victory… As he gets a lightning speed uppercut for his trouble. Thrown to the side, Zoom wastes no time getting up, using his hand to "fix" his bleeding, yet rapidly regenerating dislocated jaw. He looks up to see his assailant: our Barry is still on the ground, wounded, but above him stands the Flash of the future, older, stronger, in a better suit, yet still unmistakably Barry Allen. He takes a lounge at Zoom, yet the man in yellow evades the attack, speeds up and escapes into a time travel wormhole. Future Flash looks down at our Barry and offers his hand, asking him to follow/trust him (Terminator puns are welcome here, try to lighten up the audience after a long drag of action).

ACT 3 mostly takes place in the future. The world of the 25th century could take some pointers from the likes of Star Wars' Coruscant and Kamino: beautiful, pristine, yet at the same time cold and "flavorless" futuristic cities, perhaps with a hint of a dark underbelly. This is the environment in which the Reverse-Flash, Eobard Thawne, had to grow up, and where the Future Flash wages his war against Zoom, and it should reflect mania, aloofness, and calculating character of the warring speedsters. Future Flash takes Barry into his hideout, featuring equipment, needed to watch over the timeline, and containing artifacts from the comic books such as the cosmic treadmill. FF mostly confirms the RF's story, though from his viewpoint it was Zoom that started the war by murdering his parents. Barry asks his future self if he truly went out of his way to kill Zoom's parents, and the older man brushes it off as either a mistake, or lies. However, now that there's two of them at the same time and place, and Zoom will be restoring his powers after the last encounter, they have a window to finally end this war that has been going for centuries. The Time Masters' tech, and the cosmic treadmill, he notes, has given him an edge over them, allowing to oversee Zoom's presence across time and make consecutive time jumps, as the use of the treadmill allows him to go back immediately without having to wait for his powers to recharge, as Zoom does. And now he has reinforcements, while Zoom will need to wait if he wants to get his other time versions to join him, and then he'll have to choose: chase us, lest we change his timeline, or hope for the best and go back to the past. Barry asks what their plan is, and Future Flash replies that it is to stop Eobard Thawne from ever becoming Zoom, by making sure whatever happened to the Thawne family that set him off on believing it was done by the Flash will target him, too. When Zoom inevitably comes to stop them, they can surround him, so that he can't save his younger self from the explosion. Barry is conflicted considering that they are planning murder, but tries not to argue, instead asking if that would bring mom and dad back to life. Future Flash replies that he does not know, but he has to try. He explains that the Speed Force, the phenomenon that allows them to use their impossible powers without any immediate drawbacks, somehow protects the speedsters through the changes to the timeline while they travel, though when it "sets in," so to speak, the changes rush through, with them having new memories, experiences, possibly even physical changes. Barry nods, remembering his own experience of suffering through a timeline alteration, but then notes how Zoom was unable to kill young Barry, or stop him from becoming the Flash, as that would destroy his own powers. Barry asks his future self if stopping Thawne from becoming Zoom would erase them, and the Future Flash replies that he does not know. He notes how even here, in the world of the 25th century, with timeline-viewing devices and grounded theories, time travel is still closer to something from the realms of magic, rather than a definitive science that they know the ins and outs of. The humanity still has so much to learn, yet he, the Flash, cannot stop and wait until they figure out how the universe works. He has to defeat Zoom, not just for himself, but for all the people, whose lives he tried to destroy. Or so he says.

Barry listens to his future self, after all, who else could you trust if not yourself, yet his heart is clouded with doubt. He was carried here, to this strange time, by his own future self, all to do what? Kill the Thawne family, while his older version handles Zoom? All for the greater good? He asks Future Flash if it's right to kill young Eobard for the crimes he has yet to commit, and receives chastising in return, the older Flash asking how Barry could ever forgive Thawne? The only thought that keeps him on is the possibility that his parents can be saved. If he can only prevent Eobard from becoming Zoom. He almost spaces out on the travel through the futuristic city, until finally he realizes what his Future self is planning. A massive explosion to bring down the Thawne family's exquisite residence. The destruction of Thawnes, and their livelihood, just as Zoom described... Barry protests, and the Future Flash hardens, saying that he may have anticipated his resolve weakening. Which is why he activated this explosive a minute ago. Without another moment of thought, Barry runs, followed by the Future Flash, trying to stop his counterpart. As he is about to succeed, Zoom appears on the scene with an incredible gust of wind, tackling the Future Flash. Realizing that Zoom has already saved his younger self from the explosion, Barry understands what must be done to stop Zoom from ever being born. As the two older speedsters fight inside the already exploding house, Barry taps into the Speed Force with all his will, with blue lightning now following his every step as he navigates a collapsing, rapidly burning structure, grabbing Mr. and Mrs. Thawne, and bringing them to the forefront of the house. He covers all three of them, as the building finally crashes behind the Flash, burying the two fighting speedsters behind him. Barry asks the terrified Thawnes to call the emergency, and receives a nod and a smile from the shiny-eyed young Eobard. As the Thawnes rush away to their medical transport, Barry returns to look at the ruins of the residence. Out crawls the battered form of the Future Flash, who looks upon Barry with hate. He asks why he would ruin everything, why would he let Zoom live, why would he forgive the person who killed his parents? Barry replies that he doesn't know if he could ever forgive something like this, but neither could he murder an innocent family in return. If all he had to do was make sure that Eobard never becomes Zoom, then maybe preventing what motivated him to hate the Flash would work better. "How long have you stopped being a hero that the thought never entered your mind?" Barry asks his future self, who dissipates in thin air, nothing but the red hate of the Negative Speed Force left behind him. Taking that as his cue to leave, Barry sighs, musters what remains of his strength and makes a leap into a time travel wormhole. The futuristic police vehicles arrive at the scene, investigating the ruins of Thawne residence with their forward lights. The camera ominously hangs above the ruins, near the place where the Reverse-Flash was buried under the rubble, but nothing comes out.

EPILOGUE returns us back to the present, with the cinematography combining clues from the "happy-go-lucky" Act 1 and the "realistic" Act 2. As in Act 2, Barry decides to check on his family home in the suburbs, where the new owner, and old lady he rescued before, gently says that she bought this house long ago, but offers to join her for tea. He realizes that his parents are still dead in the new timeline, but after a moment of contemplation, gives the woman a smile, agreeing. We then get to see the Flash using his powers to help rebuild the city after his own destructive battle against Zoom, fixing people's cars at superspeed with pointers from Wally, working at multiple soup kitchens for the homeless, acting friendly with the public and giving interviews to Iris. Hunter corners him, seemingly angry at the Flash, but shakes Barry's hand saying that he can give that vigilante some slack, if he improves his act. Hunter asks if they'll see the other speedster again, and when Barry says that they probably won't, Zolomon gives him a grave nod, misunderstanding the answer, yet still approving of "the deed".

As Barry leaves the building, he is surprised by the appearance of another speedster, who nearly jumps out of wormhole, commenting on how weird this cosmic treadmill can be. The speedster, wearing a red suit, similar to his own, turns out to be Wally from the future, blabbering about how he can't explain how and why he got these powers, because they're probably violating a few of time travel laws already. Barry laughs, saying that this has already been a recent experience for him, at which future Wally smirks and says that in that case he should have no qualms about traveling to the future for a certain ego-driven event. Shrugging, Barry follows, arriving at the Gem Cities of an undetermined future, decorated with red banners displaying the Flash logo. "The event is for you," Wally explains and takes off, daring Barry to follow him. As the two Flashes race through the clean, happy-looking city, they arrive at a large stadium, which, Barry recognizes, is the old Central City stadium, which has been expanded around from all sides to house "The Flash Museum". He marvels at the sight of statues, depicting him battling various foes, flabbergasted, trying to ask for an explanation, but Wally asks him not to look much into these things, because they don't want to risk him changing this future again. Barry gulps and follows his friend to what is supposedly "the convention". The convention of speedsters from across times and universes ("Is that guy cosplaying Jay Garrick!? And Max Mercury!? And Johnny–") is, apparently, held in honor of Barry Allen, the Flash, "a hero, who saved the multiverse". Barry is overwhelmed, but quietly asked to play along, as he waves to the crowds and shakes hands with colorful speedsters from various time periods. Then comes him, the man in the yellow suit, introducing himself as "Professor Zoom… formerly known as the Flash of the 25th Century". Eobard shakes Barry's hand, proclaiming himself his biggest fan, saying that he has inspired him to do good for all mankind, not just as a speedster, but a multi-disciplinary researcher, to move humanity forward, curing diseases, reaching the stars, and never letting tragedies cripple their lives. Barry smiles, nodding to Eobard, and, in good spirits, goes for a charity race with the current Flash, Wally West (if the studio can whip out a Superman cameo, might make this a race with Superman). As the two of them start their race, Professor Zoom looks wistfully, quietly monologuing his appreciation for the Flash, for giving him a new hope for the future. We remember, however, that speedsters may remember their old timelines, when he says: "I thank you for finding it possible to forgive me. Unfortunately… I do not think I can return the favor. Not entirely. Barry Allen may live in peace, for as long as he can. But his legacy, the Flash legacy… One day, it will have to be reversed."

POST-CREDITS SCENE: Back in the present day, a meeting of the Bohannan Crime Family is underway. It is interrupted by Leonard Snart and Mick Rory, entering in protective comics-like gear, armed with weapons they have stolen from S.T.A.R. Labs. Snart declares that after witnessing the battle between gods, he had an epiphany, that there is only one way for crime to survive after the Flash's arrival. The Gem Cities deserve a better class of criminal, and he is going to give it to them. He fires his Cold Gun at the camera, "freezing" the screen.
 
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[X] [SUPERMAN-CASTING] Bring in all current candidates for interviews.

[X] [LUTHOR] Adapt an older Lex Luthor.

[X] [METALLO] Flesh and metal. Take inspiration from The Terminator for Metallo's design.

[X] [LOIS-and-LANA] Run separate casting calls for Superman's love interests.


Going with this for now.
 
Agreed.

[X] [SUPERMAN-CASTING] Bring in all current candidates for interviews.
[X] [LUTHOR] Adapt an older Lex Luthor.
[X] [METALLO] Flesh and metal. Take inspiration from The Terminator for Metallo's design.
[X] [LOIS-and-LANA] Run separate casting calls for Superman's love interests.
 
[X] [SUPERMAN-CASTING] Bring in all current candidates for interviews.
[X] [LUTHOR] Adapt an older Lex Luthor.
[X] [METALLO] Flesh and metal. Take inspiration from The Terminator for Metallo's design.
[X] [LOIS-and-LANA] Run separate casting calls for Superman's love interests.
Yep that checks out.
 
With separate casting calls here, you're going to get more selected groups; Lois's options will remain primarily American and European actresses, but Lana's options will be fleshed out with international talents from China, South Korea, Japan, Vietnam, India
Wait I'm confused, why would Lois need to be American, European, and Lana not? And when you say American European, do you mean white actresses or just actresses who are from Europe or America? The only thing in her background that might suggest a white heritage is her dad Sam Lang is a US General, but even Generals can be POC.

But alright we'll get more variety with split casting.

[X] [SUPERMAN-CASTING] Bring in all current candidates for interviews.
[X] [LUTHOR] Adapt an older Lex Luthor.
[X] [METALLO] Flesh and metal. Take inspiration from The Terminator for Metallo's design.
[X] [LOIS-and-LANA] Run separate casting calls for Superman's love interests.

I'm switching to older Lex Luthor mainly because Kenneth is chomping at the bits to have an experienced actor. Having someone more mature play Lex Luthor could also serve as a bit of a mentor/guide to our younger actors, specifically Superman.
 
A bit of a late vote but eh still got it in.
[X] [LUTHOR] Adapt an older Lex Luthor.
[X] [LOIS-and-LANA] Run separate casting calls for Superman's love interests.
[X] [METALLO] Rust and bolts. Metallo is all metal, all the time.

I have no strong opinions on how to run the Superman casting but playing up Luthor's experience through age and emphasing the differences between Lana and Lois, such as their very different backgrounds, to play up the fact they're more than just love interests cut from the same cloth? I love that stuff. And for Metallo I just like sticking to a very inhuman appearance from the beginning, really play up the fact he isn't really him anymore you know?
 
[X] [LUTHOR] Adapt an older Lex Luthor.
[X] [METALLO] Flesh and metal. Take inspiration from The Terminator for Metallo's design.
 
Wait I'm confused, why would Lois need to be American, European, and Lana not? And when you say American European, do you mean white actresses or just actresses who are from Europe or America? The only thing in her background that might suggest a white heritage is her dad Sam Lang is a US General, but even Generals can be POC.
Sorry, the way that I explained it originally is a bit confusing. Let me try to clarify what's intended to be going on here.

Lois Lane is a character who has traditionally been depicted as white (and she does have two or three storylines that depend on that, but those storylines are terrible and it's better we ignore that whole mess entirely) but she doesn't necessarily have to be white. The casting call for Lois Lane isn't going to mandate a white actress and there are going to be POC who audition for the role. Those actresses are going to primarily come from Europe or America, and I don't mean that in a "white" way but an actual geographic sense. You're going to have a lot of candidates from the United States and from Canada that the studio is scouting or who are applying for the role, you're going to have a lot of candidates involved in Western theatre traditions coming in because of Branagh's influence, you're going to similarly have a lot of British and Irish individuals auditioning with Branagh's role in the production. There isn't a need or influencing interest to drive the studio to look into other candidates from further abroad.

Lana Lang is a character whose most well known appearances to general audiences are Smallville and Superboy. Her image in the public conscience is a mixed Chinese-American woman. Branagh suggests in the chapter that the the production could highlight that to appeal to international audiences/appeal to the Chinese market. That's where the major point of difference here is; it's not that Lois is a "whites only" role or that the auditions will be whites only, it's that Lana is a role where there'd be more specific scouting involved of potential Chinese actresses (and of international actresses in general). In the post you quoted, I make the specific example of Zhang Jingchu, who is at this point in the timeline a Chinese actress with no international experience (though she goes on to be a part of numerous international productions later in her life). This is the type of non-white actress that would be highlighted in the search for Lana Lang vs the search for Lois Lane. I give the follow-up example of Olivia Munn, a POC who lives in America, as an actress who would be involved in the auditions either way.

In a joint audition setting, you're going for audition specifics that are wider and easily fitting both characters rather than highlighting specific traits for either of them.

Does that follow better?



The Flash Trilogy
A Proposal. Chapter №1
by Chris Baraniuk
Added to the apocrypha.

This is a really cool script. I like a lot of what's going on here and it definitely leads well into future movies. There's a lot of areas for crossovers and references to other members of the universe without taking away the spotlight from The Flash that I really appreciate. I'm going to award this with (++) Interest for The Flash and (+) Directorial Interest for The Flash for now, but once I sit on it a bit more, I'll likely include some offers from specific actors or directors to get involved with the script and potential trilogy.

CoreBrute: 3 Contribution Points for Vijay Sahni's Catwoman and King Tut treatment
KreenWarrior: 1 Contribution Points for Lucas Wainwright's Supergirl and the Rise of Bizarro treatment + (???) Supergirl Interest; 1 Contribution Points for Lucas Wainwright's Diamonds are Forever treatment + (???) Jane Goldman collab. interest
Thinker90: (+) Hawkman Interest and (+) Hawkgirl Interest for ??'s Hawkman and Hawkworld Thoughts
Kir the Wizard: 3 Contribution Points for Chris Baraniuk's Flash Chapter №1 + (++) The Flash Interest and (+) The Flash Directorial Interest



Adhoc vote count started by Guiding Bolt on Feb 6, 2023 at 1:10 AM, finished with 26 posts and 11 votes.
 
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Ok so some thoughts here first we should take advantage of mantel passing to to give Barry and Wally 3 movies each.
Furthermore, on the villain we should not use reverse flash with only 1 movie in between the oversaturation of evil speedsters is a common complaint and also reverse flash right of the bat kind of makes the Flash's world just revolve around personnel feud with using the very personnel reverse Flashes in two out 3 movies. On the whole Zoom origin I kind I'm not sure on the revenge one feels a bit cliché and doesn't really jive with it in this scenario also not ever superhero needs dead parents(it wasn't pre final crisis), maybe use the return of Barry Allen origin, where Zoom is an obsessive Flash fanboy to the point where he makes himself look like Barry Allen and gets his powers, he then starts to lose it when he he realizes he his reverse Flash's archenemy, there's also a bit of of Zoom characterization where he ones gets the impression he want to BE Barry Alen, this is an older take on the character but I find it works better then some of the modern takes from what I've researched.

On, Barry he is very much a tricky character to handle because a lot of the time he was around not very serious until the bronze age when most dc heroes where codified as we known them in the modern day during this era this process was finished during the post crisis period except Barry died during crisis so missed out on a lot of this era of building, the modern era has a different problem wherein Wally had been the Flash so long that he started absorbing some of Wally's traits making them both less distinct, it also hard because a lot the most iconic Flash stories originate and have dynamics meant for Wally its not unworkable mind you but its all very tricky to handle(keep in mind I'm not a Flash expert just going of what I've read on the topic and found interesting).
 
Ok so some thoughts here first we should take advantage of mantel passing to to give Barry and Wally 3 movies each.
My idea is Barry appearing in more team-up movies, maybe falling in a multiverse crossover. Maybe include a post-mortem appearance in the third movie, like he'd come back in Rogue War and other Wally-era arcs.

Furthermore, on the villain we should not use reverse flash with only 1 movie in between the oversaturation of evil speedsters is a common complaint and also reverse flash right of the bat kind of makes the Flash's world just revolve around personnel feud with using the very personnel reverse Flashes in two out 3 movies. On the whole Zoom origin I kind I'm not sure on the revenge one feels a bit cliché and doesn't really jive with it in this scenario also not ever superhero needs dead parents(it wasn't pre final crisis),
I don't see that much oversaturation with this roster of films, as there is more distance between the films than between seasons of the TV show, so the oversaturation factor should not set in, especially if you make the two Zooms visually different.
And I deliberately started out with parents alive at the start as in pre-crisis, with them dying to give the viewers some horror behind the speedsters' time travel abilities. Cliché revenge or not, my idea was that of incomprehensible time travel paradoxes fueling the feud between Flash and Zoom, with both of them sure that the other has "started it". Anyway, I do include the "fanboy Zoom" aspect in the epilogue, but it is rather recent at the time, and should not drive his character (it didn't in pre-Crisis, where he admired Barry's powers, and desired to live his life in the 20th century, but did not care much for the Flash's legacy at all).

maybe use the return of Barry Allen origin, where Zoom is an obsessive Flash fanboy to the point where he makes himself look like Barry Allen and gets his powers, he then starts to lose it when he he realizes he his reverse Flash's archenemy, there's also a bit of of Zoom characterization where he ones gets the impression he want to BE Barry Alen, this is an older take on the character but I find it works better then some of the modern takes from what I've researched.
Yeah, I could have tried to adapt TROBA or the Reverse-Flash Rebirth, or the whole "take the life of Barry Allen for himself", but that would make the story too much about Zoom and not Flash, and introducing the Flash cast for the trilogy in the first movie without overshadowing Barry is a challenge on its own.

On, Barry he is very much a tricky character to handle because a lot of the time he was around not very serious until the bronze age when most dc heroes where codified as we known them in the modern day during this era this process was finished during the post crisis period except Barry died during crisis so missed out on a lot of this era of building, the modern era has a different problem wherein Wally had been the Flash so long that he started absorbing some of Wally's traits making them both less distinct, it also hard because a lot the most iconic Flash stories originate and have dynamics meant for Wally its not unworkable mind you but its all very tricky to handle(keep in mind I'm not a Flash expert just going of what I've read on the topic and found interesting).
Barry had a perfectly fine pre-Crisis characterization contrasting his dutifulness with dorkiness and nerdiness (in later post-crisis stories happening before the Anti-Monitor's invasion in continuity, they also brought up his privileged upbringing).
He was a guy who could race Superman across the stars, then ask for an autograph. He coincidentally was a superhero fan, before an accident made him one. He had a bit of a mean streak, too, trying to manipulate the rather-domineering Iris, at one point pretty much using the mirror master's devices to gaslight her, but then his luck and his klutziness would deliver a swift comeuppance on him for his troubles:


Barry also started rehabilitating his villains before Wally did (though they were different ones: Dr. Alchemy was Barry's long-time enemy-turned-friend, and the Pied Piper was Wally's). In fact, despite the JL cartoon going a bit too far into clowning on the Flash direction, I think making him more of a slacker and wisecracker actually benefited Wally a little bit (in the comics he, honestly, was a bit too cool). In general, you can find great stuff for both Barry and Eobard in their early stories (I enjoy his character so much that I've read Eobard's every appearance at one point).
 
February 2003: Searching for Directors on "Catwoman" and "Batman: Year One"
With Branagh taking over much of the day-to-day work for the Superman production, the studio working out details of the contracts with his supporting production staff and Ford excitedly reworking scene dialogue and plans to better accentuate the desired Lex Luthor portrayal, you feel comfortable stepping back from Superman and putting your attention back on your Gotham-based productions.

Frank Miller's outline of directors that he'd be interested in bringing on in supporting roles for Batman has: Year One has been the start of many conversations, long phone calls with talent teams and more than a few sleepless nights for your team. You're happy to be receive their notes now and review the options more thoroughly. With any luck, you'll still be able to find an agreeable co-director and move forward on principal casting this month.


[] [BAT-DIRECTOR] Irvin Kershner

Irvin Kershner is a director most famous for his work on The Empire Strikes Back (1980) and RoboCop 2 (1990), the latter of which being the most recent feature film he's put out as a director—though he's continued involvement in Hollywood in both acting and producing roles. There's a range to his career that those two films alone don't express; in the past, he's directed everything from spy films and Westerns to stories of priests working with prisons. A superhero film would be out of his usual wheelhouse, but that might be a way to excite the elderly director and ignite his interests in the project. The closest thing to a superhero project in Kershner's catalogue is a canceled 1980's attempt at an adaptation of Eric Van Lustbader's The Ninja that never managed to materialize an adaptable script.

The main issue your team has come into with convincing Kershner is a major one: while the director still appears in cameo acting appearances and works as a producer on various projects, he's considered himself retired from filmmaking since his last work on television ended in 1993. These days, Kershner spends most of his filmmaking related time and energy as a professor and lecturer at the Maryland Institute of Technology in the Humanities. The fact that he hasn't refused completely is promising that the director could be convinced for one last ride with the film, likely in a more advisory role than the other potential co-directors, and there are a few points he's expressed interest in on a potential Batman film. Batman is a character haunted by social alienation, constantly struggling against the baser elements of human instinct and trying to curb the worst elements of humanity both in society and in himself, and Kershner admits he would have loved to tackle the project as a younger man…

Kershner has famously called the human face the world's most interesting landscape. His camerawork has similar interests, often involving pans to character's faces and close-ups on emotional responses and reactions. Emotion and reaction are territories Kershner carefully plays with in his works, exploring both the downfall of men to their frustrations in films like The Luck of Ginger Coffee and the efforts of men to rebuild souls their pasts have emptied in The Return of a Man Called Horse.

On a smaller note, or perhaps a larger note, Kershner has always been recognized as a director who prioritizes art over return. The budget for the film isn't a problem now, but every dollar spent on it makes a profitable return more and more of a requirement.


[] [BAT-DIRECTOR] Robert Rodriguez

Robert Rodriguez is a personal fan of Frank Miller's comic book, especially his work in the independent Sin City franchise, and a successful director just over a decade into his career. Known for his past collaborations with Quentin Tarantino and his "$7,000 movie" El Marachi, Robert Rodriguez has a wider claim to fame in the industry as the "one man film crew"—an exceptional talent in all elements of a movie's production process. Rodriguez traditionally serves as his own primary editor, his own director of photography, his own VFX supervisor, sound editor, camera operator, production designer, screenwriter, producer and if you believe it, more. Far away from his collaborations with Tarantino and his interest in the grittiest of Frank Miller's stories, Rodriguez is also the director of the recent hit Spy Kids, showing a side of the director perhaps more suited to properties appealing to mass audiences.

Rodriguez is open to working on the film, and envies the opportunity to work hand in hand with Frank Miller, but he admits the idea of co-directing does not play along with his strengths. If Miller was to enter a more production-sided role, or to work more as a screenwriter with veto power than an actual director, it'd be a easier partnership to lead the project—or if Miller was to guest direct certain scenes, with Rodriguez taking on the majority of the directing process? On a more studio-related side, Rodriguez prides himself as the primary marketer and voice behind his films, and would expect that relationship to continue here with veto rights and first options on any marketing materials connected to the Batman: Year One film.

Stylistically, Rodriguez is a surrealist action director who eschews huge budget productions in favor of making clever use of lighting and even more clever re-use and improvisation of the items available to him. He prefers grit, grime and realism in his characters over idealistic messaging and makes a point of displaying parts of life and action that most directors move away from (for instance, reloading guns during combat). He's questioned why every Batman wears black makeup under their eyes, but Bruce Wayne is never seen with the same sort of look.


[] [BAT-DIRECTOR] Zack Snyder

Zack Snyder is a man whose only direction experience so far comes from short films, music videos and art school projects. Despite the small scale of his work so far, his candidacy is buoyed by his passion for the source material, his interesting views on the roles of superheroes in media and the messages that they can be used to convey, clear skill in cinematography and photography and extreme attention to detail. Snyder's expressed interest in potentially adapting other projects of Frank Miller's in the future and there's more than a little hero worship evident in the way Zack discusses and refers to Miller's works.

Batman: Year One would be Snyder's debut project to the world, should he get the part, and that brings significant leverage on the studio's part and a heightened sense of control over the project compared to other potential directors. As a co-director to Miller, you expect him to take on technical roles in the production and aid in seeing Miller's vision expressed to the production crew, with Snyder advancing to more leadership over directing in situation where Miller's inexperience prevents him from taking charge or where Miller is suitably impressed by Snyder's take on the material. Though there's a risk involved in marketing a director's debut, having a co-director and such a strong name as Batman attached to the project can shield the production from much of the potential consequence. Of course, should the project fail, struggles of Snyder's debut would also create an easy scapegoat to the world and your superiors.

Snyder wants to deconstruct elements of the superhero genre in the film and continue the work the Batman: Year One comic began on that front. He'd like to really show the consequences that come from an armed vigilante inflicting justice on the streets—the fear it drives into the hearts of people; the broken bones and constant wounds that the vigilantes, victims and villains each bear; and the overwhelming tragedy of heroic goals turned to vigilantism juxtaposed against the redemption of a vigilante becoming a hero in truth.


[] [BAT-DIRECTOR] Eric Radomski & Bruce Timm

The co-heads of DC's Batman: The Animated Series and the co-directors of DC's Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, Radomski and Timm have already proven at least twice over that they can deliver on a stunning tale of Batman from origin to end. What they haven't proven is an ability to direct the more physical, human side of things. Neither of the pair has directed a live-action film in the past, and they would be leaning on Frank Miller and potentially your own role in the production to manage that side of the film's development.

Despite that lack of experience with live-action filming, they abound in interest and knowledge of the Batman character and have more experience than any of the other candidates by far in knowing what does and doesn't work with putting Batman to the screen and reaching audiences with the character's internal and external struggles. There are sizeable similarities between Batman: Year One and Batman: Mask of the Phantasm that could be used to bridge the gap between the script's darker tendencies and the studio's lighter preferences, though neither Radomski nor Timm are interested in the idea of strictly adapting Mask of the Phantasm to the screen. Miller is positive on both members of the duo and favorably remembers Timm's homage to his work in the Batman—The Animated Series episode Legends of the Dark Knight, though he jokes that they're just a way of sidestepping the problem that "no director really knows how to handle Batman in live-action."

Radomski and Timm want to make a story that is, at its core, uplifting and reaching to all audiences. Though Batman comes from a dark place and goes to darker places, the core of his character is the struggle to make the world around him a better and brighter place. They hold true to one of the oldest adages surrounding Batman—that if your Batman would not be able to comfort a sobbing child, that your Batman is no Batman at all—and position it like a lifeline in their stories, always in reach to pull away from the overwhelming noir Batman sometimes becomes embroiled in and remind the audience of his heart.


[] [BAT-DIRECTOR] Expand search.

Though Miller might not like the wider world of directors as much as the options you're looking at today, you can't help but feel that there's someone more fitting for the project available elsewhere. Batman: Year One is an ambitious project, not one that you want to risk handing off to a director coaxed out of retirement, a fresh face in the field, low-budget movie MacGyver or a pair of animation specialists. Take charge of the director search yourself, push the production back a month and see if you can't find a more fitting option down the line.






With Kareena Kapoor and Eliza Dushku locked in for the Catwoman film and Warner Bros. studio members working with them on some initial publicity pieces to smooth the film's return to public attention and departure from development hell, it's important that you keep the film's momentum headed the right way and lock in a director for the film to pair with the vague vision for a script and plot you have. At the very least, you're feeling rather hopeful that March will bring more progress from your Script Bounty!

There's a small number of directors that have been eyeing the Catwoman project since your dismissal of Pitof, undaunted by the production hell that Catwoman has been run through, that you could make an offer to. There's also a number of directors who you decided against for the Superman and Batman projects that may be convinced to come on board to the Catwoman project, though you expect that there'll be more difficulty in negotiating with them than there would be with the hanger-ons that have accumulated to the project so far.

Looking over your notes, you'll cover the known rejections first.

[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Luc Besson

It's too close to work he's already done, Besson apologizes. As lovely as it was to bring La Femme Nikita to life, he's already made it once and some lovely people in Hong Kong have already made a Cat-based adaptation of it, or so he's heard anyway. Besson suggests his understudy, Louis Leterrier, in his place—and hints he'd be willing to do some smaller work to help out such a production.

[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Chris Columbus

Having been passed over for Superman, Chris Columbus has committed to taking the year off and focusing on recovery. Besides that, he doesn't think that Catwoman is the type of film that would "benefit from his touch" or from a director in his background. It's too dark of a material for his preference.

[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Irvin Kershner

Kershner laughs the idea off. Coming out of retirement for a B-piece like Catwoman? It's a funny joke, Mr. Weisinger, but he's not too much of a comedian these days. Surely you'd be better off talking to one of those new-Hollywood types and convincing them to translate some college escalades to film.

[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Joe Johnston

Johnston admits he doesn't find Catwoman too interesting of a character and is concerned with involving his career with such a troubled production. He wishes the best of luck to your production and hopes that he can work with DC and WB in the future in something more fitting to both your style and his.

[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Lee Tamahori

With Halle Berry gone from the project, the Die Another Day director's interest has gone as well. You suppose it isn't the greatest loss, but you had been hoping that the director's interest in spy films would keep him around after your most recent Script Bounty went out.


Five rejections is better than the worst case scenario, you'll admit. At least you've got more people willing to tell you that they're interested in directing than people willing to tell you that they're not!


[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Joss Whedon

The architect of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel and Firefly, Joss Whedon is known in the industry for centering powerful women in his productions and for the strong relationships he develops with his stars. Already interested in the project since its conception, the choice of Eliza Dushku as one of the first signed actresses has pushed Whedon over to the edge and filled your inbox with asks to discuss the project in person and asks to consider potential scripts Whedon is already penning. For her part, Eliza admits she was more than a little bit supported and encouraged by Whedon to apply for the role of Catwoman and offers her recommendation for Joss as a director. She's sure Joss and Kareena would get on swimmingly—if you want, she could set up for the four of you to talk it over some pizza?

Whedon has a very specific tone common throughout his productions that heavily relies on witty dialogue and quip-based comedy paired with visual gags and pieces of body comedy. Tongue-in-cheek in person and in his projects, he's the first to joke about the many lampshades hanging over his work and always willing to hang another lampshade over questionable areas of a new production. When it comes to comics, Whedon has some vocal opinions on the portrayal of women: nowadays, "most of them are just really, really poorly written soft-core [porn]." That's something he wants to avoid with Catwoman, but the way he says it, you're not sure if he's referring to the "poorly written" part or the practice in general.

Whedon has a number of scripts in the pipeline for Catwoman that he's eager to share with you in follow-up interviews or discussions. Right now, he's working on a script more fitting to your most recent Script Bounty that he hopes you'll enjoy as much as he does.


[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Jan de Bont

Jan de Bont is a director with a tumultuous career running from Saturn Award Nominations to Golden Raspberry Award Nominations; at the same time, he is a mastermind of photography and cinematography responsible for the iconography of Die Hard, Lethal Weapon 3 and Cujo among many other titles. He's wanted by Paramount Pictures these days for a role as Lara Croft's new director, and you have to think they have some reason for bringing him on to that role. Catwoman reflects a low-risk, high-reward project for the director that intentionally strays away from his usual inclinations in favor of forcing him to adapt.

While there's questions of the coherency of certain films de Bont has directed, few question the beautiful visuals he provides or the interesting locales and settings he invokes. He could create a powerful image of Gotham shared between Catwoman and Batman: Year One, given the right encouragement and artistic license, or create a truly wild adventure in a more outlandish Catwoman film.

Jan de Bont believes that a camera should be in motion as long as the film is in motion. Following that, he's shown a growing interest in long single-take shots that move throughout sets and into new scenes rather than making use of handy transitions or shot switches. There's rarely a still frame or a set shot in his movies—something that goes strongly against the inclinations of some other directors to recreate comic scenes frame by frame as part of the film's artistry.


[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Jeremiah S. Chechik

An old friend of yours, actually, Chechik is the first to admit he's not really sure what he's doing here talking about doing a Catwoman film. It's certainly not in line with the only true hit of his career, National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation, but the two of you made something of The Avengers when you worked together and maybe you'll be able to make something of this film together here. After all, you made one project that Nicole Kidman passed on work—surely you can do it again?

Chechik is a director with a talent for comedy, suspense and storylines that can be reinterpreted in multiple ways after the conclusion and reveal is understood. He's a good friend of yours in the industry and willing to put in extra work on the project to repay the past favor you've done for him, but you'll have to take a much more active role in the production to handle his lack of experience with the genre and scope.


[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Louis Leterrier

Leterrier is interested in taking on the Catwoman project, immediately making comparisons to his mentor's work on La Femme Nikita and pushing on some praise for the past performances of Catwoman in the 90s films. He'd love to bring on his partner Corey Yuen and make a real visceral statement with the film's action and Gotham's dark nature, while digging a bit deeper into the psychology of Selina Kyle, those who choose to associate with her and those who have no choice but to associate with her.

He'll want a story about Catwoman in Gotham if he comes aboard to direct, and he's interested in poaching some of Batman's lesser-known villains to bring some iconicity to the piece. Who would miss the Black Mask, anyway?


[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Robert Rodriguez

Rodriguez thinks Catwoman would be a "fun project," especially if he's being given the freedom to really make it into a romp. One of his close friends, Quentin Tarantino, has this Kill Bill project in development that stars Uma Thurman and brings in this all-star cast for her to fight in a comic-inspired action-adventure celebration. Rodriguez thinks it's glorious, but more than that? He thinks he could do it better with Catwoman as his star. By the way—how are Kareena's martial arts? Is she open to a little gun fu and whip-work?

He'll be throwing out the Catfile idea, mostly, though he's fine with the idea of Catwoman having some rich European lover she goes on the lam from. Really, she'd benefit from having more than one benefactor like that supporting her hijinks. He'll want to bring in an ensemble of his own to one-up Tarantino's project, though…


[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Zack Snyder

Snyder's interest in working with Frank Miller on Batman: Year One has carried over to the Catwoman project, likely building off the knowledge that the films are taking place in a shared universe. Though he's less familiar with the minutia of Catwoman's comics, he's happy to learn, and asks for recommendations on runs that fit your goals for the character.

A brief look into his background shows Snyder has a strikingly positive history of platforming women in his projects, at least as far as his college work shows and his peers say, and the director expresses he's always been interested in doing film that breaks the Hollywood presumptions on female characters.


[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Eric Radomski & Bruce Timm

Radomski and Timm have worked with Catwoman for nearly as long as they've worked with Batman, and they've never shied away from strong or unique interpretations of the character in that tenure. They have a preference for Catwoman as this Robin Hood type character, straying away from her more morally questionable or villainous performances. Radomski wants to emphasize a "family-friendly" nature for Catwoman and stray away from the more strictly sexual elements of her backstory in the Batman: Year One comic, pushing those elements into the subtext of the film rather than making them introductory character traits to her screen appearance. Timm has plenty of experience presenting Catwoman in both PG and adult styles, and has some clear interest around the prospect of highlighting Selina Kyle's beauty and control in live action, but he wants to be careful to handle Kyle's sexuality with respect to the actress and the audience. Catwoman is in control, even at her most risque, but that means different things when its an artist depicting a character on canvas or animation compared to a director making demands and suggestions of an actress for film.

Radomski's preference on the topic is to follow along with the reduction of Kyle's prostitute role to a hostess role, while Timm would push the topic back to the actresses and let them decide the full level of Selina Kyle and Holly Robinson's involvement with red light work.


[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Continue the search.

There's surely some other director, somewhere, willing to take on the project..? It'll only be a slight delay added if you were to wait another month and go back at it with a finished script, wouldn't it? What's the worst that could happen?
 
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MORIATORIUM 11 // VOTE 11
Moriatorium will last until 10:00 AM CST 2/6/2023, ~approx. 4 hours from the time of posting.

I was joking with my beta earlier that the Batman and Catwoman options here are split by the level of nepotism involved, but really that isn't true. All of the Batman options are picks Frank Miller personally pushed for, so you could consider all of those nepotism picks if you really want... On the Catwoman side, though, it's certainly a more obvious level of nepotism involved :V

Some would say voting for a director whose already crossed out on the list is a fool's errand. Others would say that it's very funny to force Richard Weisinger to call Irvin Kershner and get denied again. Others still would say "wait, but I have a specific pitch that I think they'd be willing to entertain, what if...!" It is for those second and third groups of people that the crossed off directors are listed in the compiled voting options.

[] [BAT-DIRECTOR] Irvin Kershner
[] [BAT-DIRECTOR] Robert Rodriguez
[] [BAT-DIRECTOR] Zack Snyder
[] [BAT-DIRECTOR] Eric Radomski & Bruce Timm
[] [BAT-DIRECTOR] Expand search.

[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Luc Besson
[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Chris Columbus
[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Irvin Kershner
[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Joe Johnston
[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Lee Tamahori

[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Joss Whedon
[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Jan de Bont
[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Jeremiah S. Chechik
[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Louis Leterrier
[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Robert Rodriguez
[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Zack Snyder
[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Eric Radomski & Bruce Timm
[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Continue the search.
]CoreBrute: 3 Contribution Points for Vijay Sahni's Catwoman and King Tut treatment
KreenWarrior: 1 Contribution Points for Lucas Wainwright's Supergirl and the Rise of Bizarro treatment + (???) Supergirl Interest; 1 Contribution Points for Lucas Wainwright's Diamonds are Forever treatment + (???) Jane Goldman collab. interest
Thinker90: (+) Hawkman Interest and (+) Hawkgirl Interest for ??'s Hawkman and Hawkworld Thoughts
Kir the Wizard: 3 Contribution Points for Chris Baraniuk's Flash Chapter №1 + (++) The Flash Interest and (+) The Flash Directorial Interest
 
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Anna Lee's "Batman: Battle for the Cowl"
This is very much a work in progress and probably not the final script but here we go.

Batman: Battle for the Cowl
Anna Lee
"Don't worry, Bruce. We've got this."​

Note: Meant to be more of a standalone and not part of a series or connected to Year One but can be modified so that it can slot in at the tail end of a Batman run if you want to use it, boss.

Major Characters: Richard "Dick" Grayson (Age 24-26), Timothy "Tim" Drake (Age 18-19), Barbara Gordon (Age 27-28)

Supporting Characters: Alfred Pennyworth, James Gordon, Bruce Wayne (Flashbacks and Video Messages)

Major Antagonist: Jean-Paul Valley (not super attached, but I think this fits most so far?)

Minor Antagonists: Oswald Cobblepot, Roman Sionis



The movie begins with flashes of Dick Grayson's life. Growing up at the circus. Performing with his parents. The night his parents died. Being taken in by Bruce Wayne. Discovering Batman. Becoming Robin. Adventures of the Dynamic Duo (In one of these flashes, Robin saves a young boy from what appear to be medieval knights)...

Dick wakes up in the present and disembarks from his bus, looking somber and melancholic. He's returned to Gotham City from Bludhaven for the first time in years, and he's not exactly here for a happy reason.

He's here for the funeral of Bruce Wayne.

The official story is that the billionaire CEO died suddenly, in his sleep. But Dick knows that Bruce - Batman - died on duty, a hero to the end. (We don't establish how Batman died - keeping our options open.)

At the funeral, Dick makes a speech, choking up slightly but managing to get through it. As Bruce's casket is being lowered, he's reunited with three people very important to him: his little brother figure and current Robin, Tim Drake, Bruce's faithful butler, Alfred Pennyworth and the now wheelchair-bound former Batgirl turned Oracle, Barbara Gordon.

They reminisce for a bit, and Dick is convinced by Alfred to stay at Wayne Manor for the night.

At the manor, Alfred shows Dick a video message left by Bruce in case of his death.

The recorded Bruce talks about his mission, the symbol of Batman...and how that in the event of his death, and if Dick felt ready, he entrusted the mantle of the Bat to him.

Dick is stunned, unsure. He tries to get out of the manor but is greeted by Barbara and Tim at the entrance.

Tim thinks he should do it, and that he'll partner up with Dick as his Robin. Barbara is more diplomatic, telks Dick that he doesn't need to rush into anything.

The conversation then turns to a current issue: with the Batman gone, Gotham's criminal underworld has stirred and right now there was an escalating gang war for the title of Gotham's undisputed kingpin between Oswald "The Penguin" Cobblepot and Roman "Black Mask" Sionis.

Dick agrees to help keep it under control and so for the next few days, Nightwing and Robin, under Oracle's guidance wage a war against the two opposing sides - bringing down operations and capturing key personel of both Penguin and Black Mask.

But it keeps going, and they aren't the only problems Gotham has - other criminals and even some super villains (Cameo from Killer Croc as Nightwing and Robin fight and subdue him?) keep popping out in the absence of Batman.

Nightwing isn't himself too. Feeling pressured and inadequate to live up to Bruce's expectations. He starts acting reckless, trying to do things on his own. Barbara confronts h but he brushes her off in a pretty intense arguement.

One night, as Nightwing chases some of Penguin's goons alone, he follows them to an alley - and finds them dead. Looming over the dead gangsters is a tall figure holding a sword - and dressed in Batman's uniform.

Nightwing demands to know who he is, but the figure is silent and tries to leave. Nightwing stops him and they engage in melee, the figure refusing to use his sword. The two are evenly matched, but the figure makes use of a momentary distraction to kick Nightwing down and escape into the shadows.

Frustrated, Dick returns to the Batcave and tells the others about what happened.

From that day on, the mysterious vigilante keeps appearing, brutally killing and torturing not only those connected to Penguin and Black Mask but a few of Gotham's higher class suspected of corruption. Many Gothamites start thinking that the Batman has returned and has abandoned his one rule.

The Bat family, of course, couldn't let that go and start trying to figure out this copy cat. Nightwing and the impostor clash a few more times, but the impostor never really seems to want to harm Dick.

Nightwing and Robin manage to find purposely laid out clues in the vigilante's murder scenes (unsure of what this is yet) and Oracle manages to piece out a way to contact the masked man through a specific time and location - every Friday at midnight, at the abandoned St. Dumas Hospital.

Nightwing wants to go immediately that Friday, but Oracle warns him to be careful.

Naturally, Nightwing goes on his own.

The masked vigilante is waiting for him there, and to Nightwing's surprise, unmasks.

Dick recognizes the young man - Jean-Paul Valley, someone Batman and Robin (Dick, not Tim) helped rescue from an overzealous cult led by the youth's father (same cult with the knights from the opening). Jean-Paul explains that his father's cult believed in cleansing evil from Gotham, and while he hated his father, he agreed. He had seen evil as he grew up, inside and outside the cult, starting from when he saw his father kill his mother. He had been trained in the years since, and now with Batman gone - here Jean-Paul reveals he had been obssesed with those who saved him and managed to guess at their identities, Bruce's death coinciding with Batman's dissapperance solidifying it - he decided to honor the hero and take up his mantle. He then asks Nightwing to help him.

Dick adamantly refuses and points out Jean-Paul has been killing people in brutal manner. Jean-Paul makes an impassioned plea - that the only way to rid Gotham of evil was to rid Gotham of all those who would corrupt it - switfly and permanently. Nightwing refuses again, pointing out Jean-Paul's collateral damage and how he affected innocemts too and tells him that he'll have to take him in. Jean-Paul sighs, says it's a shame, and attacks Nightwing, still refusing to use his sword. The fighting is fierce and Jean Paul manages to get the upper hand, stunning Dick and almost knocking him out. Jean-Paul asks Dick again to join him. Dick refuses. The impostor finally draws his sword...only for Robin to swoop in and kick him in the face. Jean-Paul staggers, curses, and flees.

Tim takes Dick back to the manor where Barbara, worried sick, berates him. Dick apologizes and fimally talks about his feelings of inadequacy, of how he was scared of letting Bruce down and tarnishing his legacy. Alfred chimes in and talks about how proud Bruce always was of Dick, and of how important he was to him. Tim adds that Dick was missing the point - he didn't need to prove that he could do everything, Batman needed Robin and he and everyone else would be by Dick's side.

They speak more and Dick resolves to bring down the impostor Batman - the real threat to Bruce's legacy.

Barbara mentions that they have a pretty good idea of what Jean Paul was going to do next. Oracle had finally gotten a big lead - Cobblepot and Sionis were finally going to negotiate at a secret location on Sunday - this was why Barbara had said to wait.

A plan set, Alfred presents Dick with a Batman uniform. With only a moment's hesitation, Dick takes it.

The next scene is on Sunday, at a secret safehouse on the edge of the city. Cobblepot and Sionis are arguing about the murderous vigilante harassing them both...when said murderous vigilante crashes down from the roof, sword drawn. Jean-Paul starts slicing through the crime lords's bodyguards when Batman and Robin arrive on the scene, starting a chaotic three way battle. As Tim goes to capture Penguin and Black Mask, the two Batmen face each other.

The two are once more evenly matched until sirens are heard (Oracle having tipped off her father,) and Dick manages to disarm Jean-Paul of his sword, taking it from him. They clash a final time and this time, Dick comes out on top. Jean-Paul is calm. He knows he's beaten, but then asks Dick to kill him, to prove that he is the superior Batman and he will do what it takes to rid Gotham of evil.

Dick refuses again, saying that Batman means something but not what Jean-Paul thinks he means.

The final scene is Dick contemplating as he and Tim prepare to go on patrol, on how this was the legacy Bruce had given him, on his duty and those at his side. With a nod to Tim, the two head into Gotham...as Batman and Robin.

(Stinger if and only if this is part of a series: Word of what happened in Gotham reaches a man staying at certain monastery in the Himalayas. "Interesting. Well, I'll be waiting to see what becomes of this....Detective." Reveal of Ra's Al Ghul, Talia at his side.)
 
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I'm pretty flexible on the directors, because I don't actually know what script we went with for Batman or Catwoman. If we could get a link to those, that would really help.

Although this intrigues me:

[] [BAT-DIRECTOR] Eric Radomski & Bruce Timm
Legends in making Batman for animated, the thing is I don't think either of them have ever had much director experience, even in terms of animation. Would be funny, but not really feasible picks.

[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Joss Whedon
Can we avoid this guy? We know what it turns out he's like to women in this period of time, we don't need this kind of negativity affecting the films.
 
[] [BAT-DIRECTOR] Zack Snyder

Well, Zack is a big fan of Frank Miller so having him work directly alongside Frank might do him some good. Zack has a lot of respect for the source material which Frank wrote and the movie is directly adapting that source material, this seem like it's perfect for a pair of Zack-Frank. Frank can hold Zack on some of his wilder idea and maybe aid him in the right direction, while Zack can help him on the technical and cinematography side. Lastly, if the movie fail, Zack could be lend to a slight bit of scapegoat, but if it strives, great start there for everyone. I think it's a decent option.

[] [CAT-DIRECTOR] Robert Rodriguez

Robert would be my choice for Batman too, but he also is interested in Catwoman, which is in the same universe so... And Catwoman heist style might even fit Robert style, for him to do all the practical effect, stunt and creative and the like, he's also on his own so let him flex his talent more freely.

He also wants a Kill Bill vs Catwoman fight as the order of challenge to Tarantino so let give him that opporturnity!!!
 
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