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A Light in the End of Time (Warhammer Fantasy/Fate)

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TheCynicalPogo said:
Question for the GM actually, surprised nobody's asked this, unless I missed some info somewhere (and in that case my b), will this initial batch be our only round of servants? Or are we liable to be able to eventually obtain more? I don't think anything's been said yet on this but very very sorry if it has!
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More arrived, so you could attempt to recruit them, yes. This is the group that came with you.
 
BlackHadou said:
More arrived, so you could attempt to recruit them, yes. This is the group that came with you.
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Ohhhh, I understand now, there's a bunch out there but these five are the ones we get to explicitly pick….I worry for the world if Enkidu and Gilgamesh manage to still arrive…or any of the more problematic Servants too, I guess. Alters (if they can appear), Gilles, Kiara…but mostly Enkidu and Gil rampaging across the known world
 
TheCynicalPogo said:
Ohhhh, I understand now, there's a bunch out there but these five are the ones we get to explicitly pick….I worry for the world if Enkidu and Gilgamesh manage to still arrive…or any of the more problematic Servants too, I guess. Alters (if they can appear), Gilles, Kiara…but mostly Enkidu and Gil rampaging across the known world
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Have...have you ever read Strange Fake?

Anyway, @BlackHadou are you really sure about putting Servant choices down to the votes? I'm not complaining about my boy Mordred winning but it feels a lot like something the GM himself would choose or narow down due to how most Servants are...Well, somewhat shit and the fanbase often thinks power levels can sub for writing.
 
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TheCynicalPogo said:
Probably cause besides the rice thing he's kinda...really really weak? He solves an issue that can be solved long term at the cost of having very little use besides that honestly.
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Also, like. We're starting in Brettonia. Not much food problems, so long as we've got the people to harvest.
And our current roster is unlikely to use the serf economy to toss untrained farmers as meatshields to hold the enemy still, so...
 
The thing with Tawara no Touta is that I think he'll do better the worse we do. If we really fuck up and lose tons of farmland, support, etc. and are reduced to holding sieges at strongholds, he'll be able to support entire settlements by himself. Conversely, if we end threats quickly before they ruin everyone's breadbasket regions and secure logistical support from local powers, he'll just be a decent monster slayer with minimal emotional baggage. The longer and worse the conflict runs, the more belt tightening being done, the more he'll do.

@BlackHadou, is this a valid analysis?

Yeah, he doesn't have many shinies, and can you imagine an army or even three armies beating the likes of Kholek Suneater, Be'lakor, or Nagash at the head of their own army in battle? Their presence demands Tyrion-level combatants and Tawara no Touta almost certainly can't hold a candle to Tyrion.
 
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thePUNisher said:
Have...have you ever read Strange Fake?

Anyway, @BlackHadou are you really sure about putting Servant choices down to the votes? I'm not complaining about my boy Mordred winning but it feels a lot like something the GM himself would choose or narow down due to how most Servants are...Well, somewhat shit and the fanbase often thinks power levels can sub for writing.
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I forced my two picks on you. If people want to go for pure power levels then they can suffer for it.

SouvikKundu said:
Is class savior included? Can we able to summon buddha?
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I've already addressed this. Let me put it bluntly. No.

OkayishGatsby said:
@BlackHadou, is this a valid analysis?
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To be honest, I think that's still overselling his value, since any situation where the ability to grow rice anywhere is genuinely useful in is probably one where you are all consigned to the chaos wastes. People reaaaaally fixated on that can make rice, and ignored basically everything else about him in consideration. Like, this isn't a proactive hero.
 
[X] Mordred Pendragon
-[X] Saber
[X] Sakamoto Ryouma
-[X] Lancer
[X] Oda Nobunaga
-[X] Avenger
[X] Beowulf
-[X] Berserker
[X] Leonardo DaVinci
-[X] Caster
 
Why're we going Da Vinci again? We're not starting with Dwarfs, we're not going for "Biggest and best inventions possible." It's gonna be hard enough to even get the peasantry using rifles or crossbows, Da Vinci's strength is just not going to come into play.
And outside that, what does she have? Bad at logistics, there was a statement on that somewhere. Not Intrigue either, nor Martial. Just... Big Learning score, which is gonna be higher than what we have but not by much. And in getting that, we lose our main Intrigue ninja, one who can also do other things.
 
Nanimani said:
Why're we going Da Vinci again? We're not starting with Dwarfs, we're not going for "Biggest and best inventions possible." It's gonna be hard enough to even get the peasantry using rifles or crossbows, Da Vinci's strength is just not going to come into play.
And outside that, what does she have? Bad at logistics, there was a statement on that somewhere. Not Intrigue either, nor Martial. Just... Big Learning score, which is gonna be higher than what we have but not by much. And in getting that, we lose our main Intrigue ninja, one who can also do other things.
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I personally assume it's probably people thinking "Oh Da Vinci-Chan is our main girl in FGO, she gives us all sorts of goodies there, let's pick her!" if only because there hasn't been, like…any discussion on her pros and cons beyond this right here and a brief author statement I think
 
Nanimani said:
Yo, what's Da Vinci do?
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Now your just being a cheeky ratbag. Alright, fine, let's talk Da Vinci.

In Fate, Da Vinci claims the title of Renaissance Man (notably, something he didn't actually have in life and failed to actually accomplish, more on that later), boasting the ability to make basically anything given time and materials and a vast knowledge pool. This goes so far as to extend to his Noble Phantasm, which allows him to analyse a Noble Phantasm and return it back on the user, countered.

My first question. What there did I just list that the combination of Arturia and Muramasa *can't do*? Da Vinci immediately smashes headfirst into the drawback of fulfilling the same niche as your main characters, and is arguably worse at it then they are, since Arturia and Muramasa are designed to be working together at basically all times, to the point where Muramasa has traits specifically to help his partner.

So now that we've got the Fate side of the argument out of the way, namely that stats wise he doesn't actually bring anything to the table, lets talk history.

Da Vinci was taken advantage of his whole life and was notoriously bad at managing funds and resources. You better believe that'd find a way to be represented on his sheet. There's also the fact that he's the number one neet in existence and hates people in general, but that kinda comes secondary. Just shoving him in a workshop doesn't change that he's almost certainly gonna be a hog on your resources.

Which brings us, finally, to the one thing he does offer. Technology. Except you are in Bretannia, where you don't need anything more complex then gunpowder because no one will use it, and the peasantry isn't going to be able to learn to drive a tank competently in the time you've got.

Those are all the arguments against that come to mind. Lets talk about the big elephants in the room.

Mona Lisa. Da Vinci can make puppets to inhabit, which means he ain't dying. Its an unconventional method of immortality, but it works. Then there's the other big elephant, names that Da Vinci is a confirmed magus and probably has a good understanding of every magic that existed in the west in the Renaissance.

I just don't, personally, believe those two points outweigh the gaping 'everything Da Vinci offers, Muramasa already gives you' problem I see.

But that's not on me. That's your decision.
 
So an active drain on resources whose returns aren't applicable to the forces available to us, analysis that we already have from any possible spread because Muramasa is guaranteed, an understanding of magic that Arturia likewise clears by default, and anti-social enough that not actively antagonizing the rest of our forces is being well behaved. In exchange for these shortcomings, we get someone that probably won't die but doesn't have anything else going to leverage that survivability on.

Doubling up on characters that favor the same stat isn't a problem on its own, but da Vinci is looking like a Learning dupe to our Lord that doesn't apply it in a different enough way to justify the choice.
 
Shrugs.

I'm sure you could find a use for him. There are elves nearby. And the empire for that matter. Probably dwarves too if memory serves.
 
Nottheunmaker said:
Jeanne d'Arc
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There's not really a lot to say about this one. She's a strong rallying figure, but you need to keep in mind her brand of clairvoyance means if you are at odds, she will disobey you. You could argue she's anti-undead and anti-chaos, but frankly, if they didn't have ways around saints, they would have been eradicated by Sigmar yonks ago.

Nottheunmaker said:
Darius III
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The ability to make an instant(ish) army is not underestimateable. However, he breaks from Bretonnia's accepted standards almost immediately using the undead, and is likely to get you designated by the Lady for a crusade. Its worth remembering that Bretonnia has had extensive undead problems, so while he is an exceptional leader, he also brings problems with him.

He also puts you on Arkan's radar, which is never the greatest idea.

Nottheunmaker said:
Cyrus the Great
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A solid leader whose abilities rely on prophecy. Congrats. You have literally put yourself front and center of the Lizardman radar, and they aren't known for their lateral thinking skills. Especially since their leader just committed suicide summoning you.

I suppose that's one way to be front and center of the Great Plan. To be honest, beyond that there's really not much to say. He's just a older version of Iskander from a different region. Is it reductionist? Yes, but they would offer about the same.
 
[X] Ryouma
-[X] Lancer
[X] Ereshkigal
-[X] Lancer
[X] Nobunaga
-[X] Avenger
[X] Sanada Yukimura
-[X] Lancer
[X] Mordred
-[X] Saber

Changing my vote once again because, as much as I'd prefer Ereshkigal over Sanada, he's definitely more useful than Da Vinci from what it seems, so I'd rather drop my Old Man of The Mountain vote for him. Leaving Ereshkigal though on the off chance a miracle occurs and she suddenly sky rockets for whatever reason, and it's not like Beo really needs my vote anyway lol
 
I've seen weirder happen.

Anyway, to clarify, cause I feel like I came off as overly harsh, Darius and Cyrus are solid choices, but they do come with drawbacks. Iskander isn't exactly drawback free either. Nor is Nobunaga.
 
BlackHadou said:
A solid leader whose abilities rely on prophecy. Congrats. You have literally put yourself front and center of the Lizardman radar, and they aren't known for their lateral thinking skills. Especially since their leader just committed suicide summoning you.

I suppose that's one way to be front and center of the Great Plan. To be honest, beyond that there's really not much to say. He's just a older version of Iskander from a different region. Is it reductionist? Yes, but they would offer about the same.
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I take this to mean that prophets in general like Cassandra and Himiko will get on the Lizardmen's radar?
 
Getting on Lizardmen radar doesn't seem like that bad a thing, if it's "Work for us, fix Great Plan"
 
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