Breaker of Chains (30k Angron Quest)
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- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Slay Tchar
Guys, the duel sub-vote is tatamount to letting it go free. It's not a Daemon of Khorne. It will run the moment it can get out of its chains.
Guys, the duel sub-vote is tatamount to letting it go free. It's not a Daemon of Khorne. It will run the moment it can get out of its chains.
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- Location
- England, unfortunately.
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- She/They
If only Dear old dad wasn't against religion.
We could declare ourselves an Antipope! Everyone loves a Pope-fight!
I assume the 'If Lorgar Permits It' Duel subvote means he'll Veto the idea if it has any real chance of escape.
But that is also why I didn't vote for the Duel option either.
[X] Slay Tchar
@Wade Garrett and @Imrix convinced me. I'm still very much in favour of Lorgar's everything in this timeline to be clear, I just think yeah Angron accepting that Tchar aided him at one point, that's worth something even if he will pull the Bird's spine out it's nose at the wrong move and him not wanting the God of Lorgar's dreams to have executing bound prisoners as a beginning act is an important choice. It's less about leaving Chaos a foothold and more about no, the creation of a God is a big deal and any God we make has to be better, its taking its ques from us and what we do with the power offered and we need to make sure it has actual morals in way Chaos and the Emperor don't.
Angron is perfectly willing to pick up Lorgar's weapon and cut down Tchar if he messes with the Chainbreakers or anyone he gives a damn about again but striking down a caged and terrified being who aided him once and who is giving him what he actually wants anyway, Gheer freed of debt, is in my mind a troublesome option.
Angron is perfectly willing to pick up Lorgar's weapon and cut down Tchar if he messes with the Chainbreakers or anyone he gives a damn about again but striking down a caged and terrified being who aided him once and who is giving him what he actually wants anyway, Gheer freed of debt, is in my mind a troublesome option.
- Location
- France
[X] Free Tchar
- [X] Angron came to free Ghreer, and Ghreer's freedom is offered to him now. Angron is a warrior, not a murderer. Lorgar wants a god of truth and light and boundless love, and such a god is not made by executing prisoners in their shackles.
- [X] Angron came to free Ghreer, and Ghreer's freedom is offered to him now. Angron is a warrior, not a murderer. Lorgar wants a god of truth and light and boundless love, and such a god is not made by executing prisoners in their shackles.
silverpower
Communism is yuri and nothing else!
- Location
- Portland
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] Slay Tchar
Now that we can rid ourselves of Tchar, we should.
Now that we can rid ourselves of Tchar, we should.
Lorgar's always been very clear on what he wants next. He's being as open as can possibly be expected of him. He's fair about the risks and what he doesn't know. He's willing to give Angron a genuine fully-informed choice in a way that neither Big E nor Tchar nor most of the Primarchs are willing to do. This may be the first of many bad ideas, but to hell with it - they're our bad ideas, our choices, our consequences, ajd we can take them on in a free and meaningful way because we know enough to choose, or at least are given the chance to know. And we're strong enough to freely take the weight. So with that in mind,
[X] Slay Tchar
i want that bird Obliterated
[X] Slay Tchar
i want that bird Obliterated
[X] Slay Tchar
Trust in our brother who genuinely cares for us rather than an inhuman entity that preys upon the vulnerable. Let's true kill a daemon. Hell yeah. Also, the list of things Angron can't kill grows every shorter with that blade in hand.
Trust in our brother who genuinely cares for us rather than an inhuman entity that preys upon the vulnerable. Let's true kill a daemon. Hell yeah. Also, the list of things Angron can't kill grows every shorter with that blade in hand.
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- She/Her
[X] Slay Tchar
- Location
- New York
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Slay Tchar
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
- Location
- At Home
[X] Slay Tchar
I'm tempted by the duel subvote, but I rather think that Tchar showing he really thinks Angron just wants to be the one tugging the chains as High Rider, rather than breaking them, would drive him to murderous fury the likes of which few other things in existence can.
I'm tempted by the duel subvote, but I rather think that Tchar showing he really thinks Angron just wants to be the one tugging the chains as High Rider, rather than breaking them, would drive him to murderous fury the likes of which few other things in existence can.
- Location
- a place
Tchar may go on to further corrupt the Chainbreakers once he's annuled Ghreer's specific deal and countless others in faustian bargains like Angron had been told it would do by every person he's heard of chaos from, but at least we'd be safe from the moral inequity of *checks notes* guillotining a aspect of one of the most horrible tyrants the galaxy has ever known.
Look, i'm just going to be blunt here. As much as people are going on about how this will surely taint the new god, violence is not always unjustified and mercy in the face of injustice is not always righteous. Protecting horrible people in such a way that it leaves them capable of continuing to prey on new victims is not some wholesome chungus move with no possible negative implications, it is Bad Actually in a way that i'll eat my hat if it would not taint this god in a way we'd abhor.
And let's be real here, that whats them freeing him is. This is no meaningful possibility of reforming Tchar, and enslaving is something Angron rightfully considers morally abhorrent even if we know it would horribly backfire from Malcador. Unlike when dealing with a rl person, Tchar's nature as a Daemon make stopping him any other way short of a imprisonment so draconian that it is effectively torture and arguably a fate worse then death impossible.
If you have qualms with the idea of ANgron killing someone no longer capble of defending themselves...
I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that Angron is 100% down to kill awful people who are absolutely defenseless before him and incapable of resisting, even if those people used to nominally be comrades with him. Mostly because that was what the Kill Kurze vote was all about, and back then people argued we should let the monster go out of nebulous high minded ideal that will absolutely cause them to bring untold suffering on countless more people.
We made the right choice then. Let's make it again here.
[X] Slay Tchar
P.S. As for the arguement about how 'They were a really good ally of coneivence to us and always did right by Angron so who cares how our actions might impact other people, even ones we love'...
"I'm going to spare him solely because you've personally benefited me regardless of the evil you've done, will do, and intend to do in the future' is actually a really fucked up stance.
If your ally is a horrible person who will continue to do horrible things to people, it's bad NOT to betray them and let them get off scot free for the things they've done regardless of how nice they've been to you personally. "Don't overlook other people awfulness because they were nice to you personally' is one of the most basic tenets of fairness and justice anyone is ever taught.
Look, i'm just going to be blunt here. As much as people are going on about how this will surely taint the new god, violence is not always unjustified and mercy in the face of injustice is not always righteous. Protecting horrible people in such a way that it leaves them capable of continuing to prey on new victims is not some wholesome chungus move with no possible negative implications, it is Bad Actually in a way that i'll eat my hat if it would not taint this god in a way we'd abhor.
And let's be real here, that whats them freeing him is. This is no meaningful possibility of reforming Tchar, and enslaving is something Angron rightfully considers morally abhorrent even if we know it would horribly backfire from Malcador. Unlike when dealing with a rl person, Tchar's nature as a Daemon make stopping him any other way short of a imprisonment so draconian that it is effectively torture and arguably a fate worse then death impossible.
If you have qualms with the idea of ANgron killing someone no longer capble of defending themselves...
I'm just going to go out on a limb here and say that Angron is 100% down to kill awful people who are absolutely defenseless before him and incapable of resisting, even if those people used to nominally be comrades with him. Mostly because that was what the Kill Kurze vote was all about, and back then people argued we should let the monster go out of nebulous high minded ideal that will absolutely cause them to bring untold suffering on countless more people.
We made the right choice then. Let's make it again here.
[X] Slay Tchar
P.S. As for the arguement about how 'They were a really good ally of coneivence to us and always did right by Angron so who cares how our actions might impact other people, even ones we love'...
"I'm going to spare him solely because you've personally benefited me regardless of the evil you've done, will do, and intend to do in the future' is actually a really fucked up stance.
If your ally is a horrible person who will continue to do horrible things to people, it's bad NOT to betray them and let them get off scot free for the things they've done regardless of how nice they've been to you personally. "Don't overlook other people awfulness because they were nice to you personally' is one of the most basic tenets of fairness and justice anyone is ever taught.
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- Location
- Dreiländereck
[X] Free Tchar
- [X] Angron came to free Ghreer, and Ghreer's freedom is offered to him now. Angron is a warrior, not a murderer. Lorgar wants a god of truth and light and boundless love, and such a god is not made by executing prisoners in their shackles.
I just think he is neat and enjoyed his presence, whenever he appeared.
- [X] Angron came to free Ghreer, and Ghreer's freedom is offered to him now. Angron is a warrior, not a murderer. Lorgar wants a god of truth and light and boundless love, and such a god is not made by executing prisoners in their shackles.
I just think he is neat and enjoyed his presence, whenever he appeared.
- Location
- Fawnland
[x] Free Tchar
- [x] Angron came to free Ghreer, and Ghreer's freedom is offered to him now. Angron is a warrior, not a murderer. Lorgar wants a god of truth and light and boundless love, and such a god is not made by executing prisoners in their shackles.
- [x] Angron came to free Ghreer, and Ghreer's freedom is offered to him now. Angron is a warrior, not a murderer. Lorgar wants a god of truth and light and boundless love, and such a god is not made by executing prisoners in their shackles.
The Curious Fan
Perpetually sleep deprived
To be clear I am 100% on board with Lorgar's god making plan but unfortunately I've got to vote against jumping on that train right now since the point of not starting off on the wrong foot is a good one.
[X] Free Tchar
- [X] Angron came to free Ghreer, and Ghreer's freedom is offered to him now. Angron is a warrior, not a murderer. Lorgar wants a god of truth and light and boundless love, and such a god is not made by executing prisoners in their shackles.
Also it's an awfully nice coincidence that Lorgar's arsenal also doubles as the perfect tools to get even with big E or Malcador he ever feels like it.
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[X] Free Tchar
- [X] Angron came to free Ghreer, and Ghreer's freedom is offered to him now. Angron is a warrior, not a murderer. Lorgar wants a god of truth and light and boundless love, and such a god is not made by executing prisoners in their shackles.
Also it's an awfully nice coincidence that Lorgar's arsenal also doubles as the perfect tools to get even with big E or Malcador he ever feels like it.
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Essentially, don't make the mistake of the IW and DG.