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I would love to do that, but, and this isn't necessarily a bad thing, Finubar's plan is technically still in motion- if only by the fact, that his support network exists and Tyrion's alive. We may or may not walk right into them.
Phoenix-King Manager (Ulthuan Quest, v.2?)
- Thread starter Karlov
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@Karlov Do we get any bonus for the first kingdom we choose to visit on our coronation tour? Or is that just fluff text? Would choosing to visit Avelorn in the same turn as we try to build a relationship with Alarielle synchronise and aid both actions?
Can we spend an Influence point to visit more than one kingdom in a turn?
Also, does our character have a name?
@Gajoti @Brainbow As you've both voted for my plan, do you think we should change the kingdom we visit to Avelorn to possibly aid our action to boost our relationship with the Everqueen?
Can we spend an Influence point to visit more than one kingdom in a turn?
Also, does our character have a name?
@Gajoti @Brainbow As you've both voted for my plan, do you think we should change the kingdom we visit to Avelorn to possibly aid our action to boost our relationship with the Everqueen?
Brainbow
Jamais vu
I would, but I'd hold up until Karlov gives an answer on that. If going to Avelorn will add a boost to properly courting the Everqueen, or conversely we cannot court her without making Avelorn our first visit, then I'd go forward with the change. Otherwise, I'd be keen with the plan as it is.
Not 100%, but you can get bonuses and open new options. All is for God of Random. First can give you rewards, middle will give you nothing, and last will stop annoying kingdoms that you still not visited.
Yes, it would synchronized. It can give you powerful synergy or ruin your result. If your visiting kingdom dice roll and relationship with Alariel will be big enough, you will get bonus to result of each, but if one will be too low, it can ruin both part of visit.
No, you can't visit more than one kingdom in year. This is why it's located not in main part of vote. It's free category, but you can't choose more that one in year.
Of, I forgot place name. Yeah, you have one. Ultran, Wing of Storm.
same here, with me finishing it a few months prior.[X] Plan Establishing Ourselves
@Karlov thanks for taking this mantle
I had the same reaction. And I just finished watching that today, so the coincidence made me laugh 😁
K von Carstein
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I voted for Establishing ourselves mostly because there's the Everqueen in it. Having her support is a good thing in general because of her influence, but she's also the high priestess of Isha, goddess of life and fertility. She likely can help us to find a cure for the low birth rate of the HE, which is one of our biggest long-term problems.
I'm voting for warpcraft, more because of the fact when we are honestly. The setting equivalent to a boss battle or an end game, is only a decade or less away. Anything to help prepare Ulthuan, the old world, and malus itself against the war to come is unequivalently vital. And the rest of the stuff for establishment can just be done next turn, what with it getting the courts to understand and accepting our rule as Phoenix King. The rest of the planning for the realm, like the annuli mountains, the constant Norscan raidings, and setting ourselves up as a magic warrior king, is all pretty much what I and probably most of the rest of the thread agree on to do, with the expectation for the last one. That is just because that Nagarythe doesn't get enough love, and a wannabe teclis that can competently hold up a blade in a duel is a plus in my books. Either way, I'm excited to see where this goes on from here.
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My main concern with warpcraft is not the content itself but timing. Every additional influence die we get now will help us in the future by giving us the freedom to choose additional options, making up for any die not spent on military in turn 1.
A second concern is the focus on Norscan raiders. I'd expect that the Storm of Chaos will be won or lost in a land battle in the Empire which would require us to send an expeditionary corps if we want to be actively involved. The main issue I see preventing us from sending that corps would be a major Dark Elves invasion which the fleet should seek to prevent.
In addition, I'd imagine that higher legitimacy of our rule and better internal stability (which is one of the goals of "Establishing Ourselves") will make it easier for us to send that strong corps when the Storm hits.
Finally, while the image of the warrior king is an appealing one Ulthuan has many powerful mages, capable generals and powerful champions but only one king.
A second concern is the focus on Norscan raiders. I'd expect that the Storm of Chaos will be won or lost in a land battle in the Empire which would require us to send an expeditionary corps if we want to be actively involved. The main issue I see preventing us from sending that corps would be a major Dark Elves invasion which the fleet should seek to prevent.
In addition, I'd imagine that higher legitimacy of our rule and better internal stability (which is one of the goals of "Establishing Ourselves") will make it easier for us to send that strong corps when the Storm hits.
Finally, while the image of the warrior king is an appealing one Ulthuan has many powerful mages, capable generals and powerful champions but only one king.
In regards to the words, for the last one, we are a magic weilding king, not a warrior or general. Us being both a sorcerer and warrior and being a Phoenix King, means in-directly were trying to make a High Elf version of Malekith, outside of everything buy his combat prowess of course. Which if done right, is not at all bad, and it helps set up for the fact that alot of the things were going to do are martial inclined, since it's warhammer after all.
For the other two, the norscan threat was bad enough as it were, that for an admiral of the imperial navy to get in 2 year's enough ships captured, to not only retire several years and decades early, but pay his men's pension for over 20 years and by three mansions in entirely separate provisions. The problems that norsca can and will do, cannot be understated whatsoever, nevermind that they are just the first of several chaos worshipping groups/armies that are going to form a possible threat that can land on ulthan if they get resolved enough to try and do it. They have Wulfrick, and that guy can definitely do it. And being better linked with the courts has no bearing whatsoever on troop morale and skill when we are talking about something on the same scale as a storm of chaos.
The talk of trying to gain better favour with the courts and understanding, while nice is a bit of a massive oversimplification of how Ulthan works. Nobody is willing to try and fight against the Phoenix King and spill blood over a disagreement involving said Phoenix King. At most right now, we are basically the new king that most noble hope will do well, maybe be even great, but so long as he tickles their fancy when he does, then the kingdoms are satisfied and won't raise a fuss. Nevermind it's only a year, their not so selfish as to be offended with the a person not seeing them in a decade with a species whose life expectancy can range well into the thousands of years. Honestly, I'm thinking the thread aught to just try and think of the nobles as nobles, the rich, aristocratic, scheming, patient, and flexible people that can be very loyal when your thinking their not. Rather then caricatures that they tend to be heavily portrayed as in fantasy and historical medieval work.
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In fact, you are not quite right about the population of Norsca. They are not as hostile to you as you think. They are not the Kurgan, which are almost entirely made up of worshipers of Chaos. Norsca is not under the influence of Chaos as much, and many tribes of the southern part of Norsca are at least neutral towards you. In addition, Norsca hosts a dwarven stronghold in the eastern part of the mountains, as well as a stronghold of Ulric's worshipers, who already provide a relative foothold for your allies.
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[X] Plan Wizardry and Warpcraft
I'm not to sure on the dwarf part, Karak drak was conquer about 80 years or so after 2304 IC, the rest of the karaks their after that long, and so many of their kin wiped out in the war of the mountains seems a it doubtful, the rest of the norscans being neutral I could see for the Southern ones. But even they do not disagree on pillaging and raiding the rest of the factions of order. The only difference diplomacy wise, is they might trade with you after, instead of just raiding you again after the first time.
Though I would love to know that Ulric stronghold to the east, since most of that was Kislev territory last I was able to get a grasp on the atrocious maps, what few you could find, of Norsca.
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Order of the Winter Throne
The Order of the Winter Throne is a lesser Order within the Cult of Ulric. Founded by a White Wolf named Brother-Templar Ragnar Franzsson almost 600 years ago, the isolated order was controversially taken into the Cult of Ulric in 1975 IC by Ar-Ulric Franzsson, Ragnar Franzsson's grandson. Since...
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"The Ragnarite leader is titled Ulricsson, and he controls the cult from Ulric's Throat, a cave system in Norsca discovered by the order's founder."
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- Dirac Sea
[X] Plan Wizardry and Warpcraft
Oh, a successor for Ulthuan Quest ? This I have to see.
I admit, this part seem kinda weird? I don't think I ever got that feeling from the lore - and the notion of 'heir' for a Pheonix King is dubious to begin with.
Oh, a successor for Ulthuan Quest ? This I have to see.
I admit, this part seem kinda weird? I don't think I ever got that feeling from the lore - and the notion of 'heir' for a Pheonix King is dubious to begin with.
- Location
- Utrecht
Not really. Tyrion is a kind of protégé for Finubar, and I have seen more than once mention that he is the one destined for the throne after the death of Finubar. In addition, it should be borne in mind that Finubar himself was chosen on the recommendation of the previous Phoenix King. For the first time in many thousands of years. So I see in this the gradual evolution of Ulthuan as a state, albeit much more slowly than the people.
In a certain way. Let's just say you shouldn't expect things to be like this, but the general idea of an Archaon invasion at the head of a massive army certainly will.
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- Utrecht
In terms of dates though?
The timeline is pretty specific about what happens in eight years.
I hope people aren't too disappointed when their metaknowledge is not as useful.
Nope. New Ulthuan king is significant change of world, because you is main world superpower and changes in your politic will affect all other.
Main events, like Archaon coronation as Everchoicen, will happen, but because he already start his journey and there is nothing that can stop him. But date of this event not written in stone.
@Brainbow @RookDeSuit @Gajoti @Brewa @Zhaitan As you've voted for Plan Mage-Light and Shadows I thought I'd better let you all know that
So if Archaon is going to be the Everchosen, does that mean that End of Times will be going ahead in this quest?
So if Archaon is going to be the Everchosen, does that mean that End of Times will be going ahead in this quest?
Karlov said in the initial post that "I do not recognize the End of Time"