Age of Ice and Blood: A Pathfinder System Heroic Fantasy Quest
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Goldfish
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A lot of this is stuff we should already know. I don't see Lina or Ohun having held back anything of this sort in our previous interactions.
At the same time, we've already shared as much with them as we are comfortable with.
As for potions, DP already said Ohun's stocks are depleted and he hasn't had the time or opportunity to make more, and he doesn't have spell scrolls he can give us, so that's a dead end. When it comes to ley line lore, Inge probably has Ohun beat, given her class and abilities, though he's likely for more specialized Lirman-specific info due to him living and practicing here for so long.
Pretty sure we already asked Ohun about Awakening Ripper. I think he said it was not only beyond him, but that he didn't know how one would go about accomplishing it, either. @DragonParadox, an I remembering that incorrectly?
I'm still wary of trying to recruit too many Anwari warriors, but this is probably a good time to do it if we're going to. I'll add that to my plan, too.
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Not IC. I asked DragonParadox about it, and the answer was "Ohun probably can not". But I want to ask this question IC, maybe Ohun has any useful advice after all.
We never learned what exactly Lina meant "I am not without my own allies here, not without my own means to build something greater and weather the darkness that is to come of which what you faced in Korman is only the shadow's shadow.", we never talked to her about that. When we ominously mentioned the threats in the throne room just before departing, it was just that, a mention without dialog. Another point, if we are holding something back, they may be holding something back, why not ask?
If you are that set on not revealing additional info, consider just asking without the possibility of revealing the info. But given that our foes are already know all that info, I see no problem in revealing it. Operation security is fine, but it should not be the goal in itself, preventing us getting good things from people we are allied with against our foes.
As for spells and potions, that's why I specify "next time we are in Apuku if we can't get them now". If we can delay getting gold, we can delay getting potions for Zaia to study and spells for Esha to study.
As for ley-line lore, maybe Inge has better feel and abilities, but hers are intuitive, while Ohun's are learned, these are different areas and there is a possibility it may enhance Inge's abilities. There is no certainty, but that's why it's attached as an afterthought to spells and potions.
Ripper was mentioned in our talks to Ohun once, when he proposed to permanently sacrifice some of Ripper's life force to purify the Redman's Regalia, we never talked about awakening him.
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@Goldfish , I found citation:
I think that "likely beyond Ohun" means we should not keep our hopes high, but asking would not hurt.
Goldfish
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I just don't see the point in rehashing most of the proposed information exchange. I still believe we've already shared the relevant info with one another, so bringing it up again is just strange and offputting.
If we're delaying a monetary reward, there is effectively no difference in that and delaying receiving potions and spells. We can just purchase them from Ohun when we return, assuming he even has anything we're interested in. There is only so much crossover in available magic between a Druid, Alchemist, and Arcanist, after all. I don't want to lose out on a guaranteed reward on the possibility that we might get something useful from him.
Asking about Awakening Ripper is just wasting a reward. Ohun cannot do it and he almost certainly doesn't know anything about doing it beyond pointing towards the hills and saying the Treant might be able to do it like they did for Silver. Gotta remember, even a regular Awakening is beyond most mortal magic in this setting. Awaken doesn't typically affect Magical Beasts, so it would need to be an even higher leveling specialty spell or ritual.
Goldfish
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Plan updated, now with trying to recruit additional armsmen.
[X] Thank Ansefu for his generosity, but ask to delay any reward we might have earned for another visit, be it in trade good and ships or something more esoteric like magic potions. We don't yet know the situation at the Straits, and if it remains blockaded by the forces of the Tin League we could face even greater difficulty slipping past them if we are encumbered with additional ships.
-[X] Antonio probably wouldn't mind the chance to fill Marcella's cargo holds with trade goods without having to part with any gold the next time we make port in Apuku.
--[X] And now is not the time for Ansefu to deplete his resources by rewarding us. Those goods and ships could play a vital part in helping to maintain the stability of his rule.
-[X] Separate from any rewards or perceived obligations to us, we are interested in hiring a small number of additional warriors, no more than five at this time. They must be trustworthy beyond reproach and skilled in battle, and it would be helpful if they are willing to accept Olweje's blessing to become a Zentragt when we have need of it. We would of course pay them at the same rate we do our own armsmen. Any recommendations they can make would be appreciated.
[X] Thank Ansefu for his generosity, but ask to delay any reward we might have earned for another visit, be it in trade good and ships or something more esoteric like magic potions. We don't yet know the situation at the Straits, and if it remains blockaded by the forces of the Tin League we could face even greater difficulty slipping past them if we are encumbered with additional ships.
-[X] Antonio probably wouldn't mind the chance to fill Marcella's cargo holds with trade goods without having to part with any gold the next time we make port in Apuku.
--[X] And now is not the time for Ansefu to deplete his resources by rewarding us. Those goods and ships could play a vital part in helping to maintain the stability of his rule.
-[X] Separate from any rewards or perceived obligations to us, we are interested in hiring a small number of additional warriors, no more than five at this time. They must be trustworthy beyond reproach and skilled in battle, and it would be helpful if they are willing to accept Olweje's blessing to become a Zentragt when we have need of it. We would of course pay them at the same rate we do our own armsmen. Any recommendations they can make would be appreciated.
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@DragonParadox, can you clarify if we've already shared all the relevant info, in particular with Lina, in particular in regards to her words "I am not without my own allies here, not without my own means to build something greater and weather the darkness that is to come of which what you faced in Korman is only the shadow's shadow."?
I'm of the impression that we didn't, because it was just the beginning of the last conluded arc and after that it was all fire and blood in Apuku, so there was no time, and there was no mention of talking to her in the updates.
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Regarding guaranteed reward, isn't that not taking in account that monetary gains are actually not that relatively important to us now? Given that we've now got a steady income from trade and Zaia's wine, I would rate our priorities as follows:
1. Knowledge
2. Good magic items
3. Magic known (spells, extracts)
4. Not so good magic items
5. Gold
The point is that we are guaranteed to get gold, but not in any way guaranteed to get anything above it, so isn't it more optimal to exchange guaranteed gold for a chance to get non guaranteed magic, items and knowledge?
And @Goldfish, on the point if extending a standing invitation to Lina to join travels of the Fellowship if ever circumstances align for her to consider it, I assume you are against it because of the possibility of inviting attention of the Oceanid again? Edit: Can't we in that case with our good diplomacy actually turn it around and get good things from her because her daughter is with us?
I'm of the impression that we didn't, because it was just the beginning of the last conluded arc and after that it was all fire and blood in Apuku, so there was no time, and there was no mention of talking to her in the updates.
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The point about crossover is a good one, but didn't Silvanknight mention stuff like Barkskin and Lesser Restoration Ohun should know and which would be useful to us? And about possibility of buying, do we really have it? Why would he even sell us them if we don't get them explicitly as part of the reward? Was there a mention of him willing to sell us potions?
Regarding guaranteed reward, isn't that not taking in account that monetary gains are actually not that relatively important to us now? Given that we've now got a steady income from trade and Zaia's wine, I would rate our priorities as follows:
1. Knowledge
2. Good magic items
3. Magic known (spells, extracts)
4. Not so good magic items
5. Gold
The point is that we are guaranteed to get gold, but not in any way guaranteed to get anything above it, so isn't it more optimal to exchange guaranteed gold for a chance to get non guaranteed magic, items and knowledge?
That's why it's the last in the list of priorities, just before the gold, because it's a long shot. Though I'm not that set on asking it, just added it as an afterthought. And IIRC it was boarfolk who awakened Silver, not the Treant.
And @Goldfish, on the point if extending a standing invitation to Lina to join travels of the Fellowship if ever circumstances align for her to consider it, I assume you are against it because of the possibility of inviting attention of the Oceanid again? Edit: Can't we in that case with our good diplomacy actually turn it around and get good things from her because her daughter is with us?
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Goldfish
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Knowledge is all well and good, I just think that well is tapped out for now.
Magic items could be helpful, depending on what's available, but I'm not going to hold my breath on that front.
We have had the chance to buy potions from Ohun in the past, so I don't see why that would change in the future.
I'm a fan of a monetary reward, if a delayed one, because we can do anything with it. Pay our expenses, expand our keep, upgrade Marcella, commission a magic item somewhere where that is actually possible, etc.
You're correct, it was some sort of ritual done by the Wereboars. Point stands, though. Awakening a Magical Beast is a while other ballgame.
Yeah, beyond Lina having sworn an oath to help lead Lirman to the best of her ability, the thought of doing anything to draw her crazy mother's attention to us is terrifying.
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But we received potions only as a reward of the quest.
Sure, I see no issue with being prepared.
I seem to recall you guys took every chance you had to give warning so between what you said to Ohun an to Lina the two of them should be more or less up to date.
I meant my question more in the line of if any of them shared all relevant info, in particular did we get anything from Lina? As it looks to me, judging by her words, she got some info regarding all the coming darkness while being guest of the Formless.
Goldfish
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Yeah, but I'm pretty sure we also had the opportunity to buy them from him at least once before. I don't recall what we bought, if anything.
I tried searching for opportunities we had to buy potions from Ohun, and only ones I was able to find were attached to quest rewards:
@Goldfish, I'm pretty sure we never got the opportunity to buy potions from Ohun just like that, and potions like Barkskin, Bear's Endurance, Bull's Strength, Cat's Grace and Owl's Wisdom would be good for Zaia to study, maybe there are other good ones, didn't have time to check the Druid and Alchemist lists thoroughly.
What do you think of adding to your vote an explicit request (as much as diplomatically possible, of course, DP ok'ed that Roland is now buffed up with Forcused Scrutiny and other things for 22 Diplomacy, so it should be no trouble) to have some of our delayed monetary reward in potions from Ohun?
Ah, I see. No, she did not know anything of significance. Her mother is not the sharing type.
Goldfish
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Updated my plan slightly to mention the possibility of magic potions as a delayed reward.
Ehh, sorry for badgering you with questions, but you mean the Formless are not the sharing types, right? She stayed with them and not with her mother, the Oceanid sea fey, the whole thing with her mother was that she wanted Lina to be with her and could not get it. Or did I miss something or am I not remembering things right?
Correct, she stayed with them, then she was recovered by her mother when she wanted back on land. The Formless are less 'not the sharing type' and more shameless gossips and liars so she would have no reason to retain most of what they told her
All right, with DP confirming we don't have anything to get to know from Lina I'm modifying my vote, though it's starting to look less different from Goldfish's one, @joj, @incama, you voted as Goldfish voted but now as he modified his vote you might vote for him by username.
[X] As diplomatically and convincing as possible, any of the things we would like, in order of priority:
-[X] From Ohun, potions for Zaia, spells for Esha, any applicable ley-line knowledge for Inge (she can make a vow to not reveal it to others unless it's required to oppose global threats), if we can't get it now, then the next time we are in Apuku.
--[X] Arguments: we are standing against the darkness, the daemons and dragons and other foul things, and it's in our mutual interest to empower us with knowledge.
---[X] If that's not enough convincing, consider revealing some of relevant info of how daemons want us specifically and how dragons are probably now directly against us, with us killing one, being known as dragonslayers and having an attention of "one who means ill the world entire", who is we suspect is this dragon aiming to return the dragon age. Whatever knowledge they will give us, we will use against the darkness as the darkness is 100% against us. Our words when we spoke of these threats in the court weren't just for show, we are commited to opposing them.
-[X] Help in recruiting up to 5 capable trustworthy warriors willing to fight as Olweje's metal beast, to serve with the company as long as they want (though the longer the better, of course) on our standard pay with the share of our income. On short notice now or when we return to Apuku next time, whatever is better.
--[X] Same arguments.
-[X] Any knowlendge on awakening Ripper? If not now, then next time we are in Apuku.
--[X] Same arguments.
-[X] And then, the last priority, offered trade goods and monetary reward, when we'll return to Apuku next time.
-[X] An aside to Lina: if for whatever reason she would feel it would be better for her to go to other places of the world again, she could consider travelling with us, to oppose the darkness she mentions, to grow in knowing, wisdom and might, and to return to Lirman later as an undisputably deserving powerful hero.
--[X] Same arguments.
[X] As diplomatically and convincing as possible, any of the things we would like, in order of priority:
-[X] From Ohun, potions for Zaia, spells for Esha, any applicable ley-line knowledge for Inge (she can make a vow to not reveal it to others unless it's required to oppose global threats), if we can't get it now, then the next time we are in Apuku.
--[X] Arguments: we are standing against the darkness, the daemons and dragons and other foul things, and it's in our mutual interest to empower us with knowledge.
---[X] If that's not enough convincing, consider revealing some of relevant info of how daemons want us specifically and how dragons are probably now directly against us, with us killing one, being known as dragonslayers and having an attention of "one who means ill the world entire", who is we suspect is this dragon aiming to return the dragon age. Whatever knowledge they will give us, we will use against the darkness as the darkness is 100% against us. Our words when we spoke of these threats in the court weren't just for show, we are commited to opposing them.
-[X] Help in recruiting up to 5 capable trustworthy warriors willing to fight as Olweje's metal beast, to serve with the company as long as they want (though the longer the better, of course) on our standard pay with the share of our income. On short notice now or when we return to Apuku next time, whatever is better.
--[X] Same arguments.
-[X] Any knowlendge on awakening Ripper? If not now, then next time we are in Apuku.
--[X] Same arguments.
-[X] And then, the last priority, offered trade goods and monetary reward, when we'll return to Apuku next time.
-[X] An aside to Lina: if for whatever reason she would feel it would be better for her to go to other places of the world again, she could consider travelling with us, to oppose the darkness she mentions, to grow in knowing, wisdom and might, and to return to Lirman later as an undisputably deserving powerful hero.
--[X] Same arguments.
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[X] Goldfish
Not a lot of votes, would you guys like an interlude? I think one could fit in here reasonably well. It has been a while since I did a Zaia one on what he has seen.