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GODSTAR - a Science Fantasy Civilization Quest

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[X] Demand Technological Access
[X] Concede the Tribes' Entry to the League of Strength

The tribes just got attacked by 1 machine army but the rest did just unify so if others start coming this way I'd rather there was a buffer between us and them. Much better that they have to go through the League before getting to us.
 
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Potato Anarchy said:
I think our military did pretty fine to good, there's no way the League of Strength isn't more focused on military development than we are but we had comparable performance and an edge in exotic sciences.

I think it's best for us to go with one demand + one compromise, because I think the League of Strength in its current form is kind of trash and so a full concession isn't worth it - even if it's a more reliable peace in the short or even middle term they're still too militaristic for us to not come into conflict with them again. It's more relative gain than double compromise but doesn't push us right back into war; it positions us to be at a bigger advantage when we come into conflict again. But of the two versions of demand + compromise available, one expects the League to walk away with nothing, while the other splits tech in exchange for letting us expand. The other way around is dangerously close to just being two demands, so I think the most gain comes from split tech/we get the tribes.

This is absolutely brinksmanship, but I think it's worth it. Also, if I'm interpreting this right, we get the same amount of tech steal out of this that we would from taking it only for ourselves - the downside is that the LoS also gets it, not that we're dividing a pie.

So my preference is split tech/we get the tribes. Failing that I'd probably favor demand tech/concede tribes, though I think people are significantly underrating the material benefits of expansion.

[] Split Technological Access
[] Demand the Tribes Join You

Ceterem autem censeo, Sanctuary must be contacted.
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I think that we are going to expand in the direction of the Tech Barons soon enough so I'm more interested in a tech boost right now (and I suspect that the Barons are technologically pretty strong for their size).
 
Tarumath said:
I think that we are going to expand in the direction of the Tech Barons soon enough so I'm more interested in a tech boost right now (and I suspect that the Barons are technologically pretty strong for their size).
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oh i truly hate the tech barons and agree, but like I said, I think "split tech" gains us just as much tech boost as "demand tech" and so we should gain relative to the Barons either way. It just doesn't give us a relative tech boost over the LoS (and we already have a marginal edge there).
 
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[] Split Technological Access
[] Demand the Tribes Join You

We have a vested material interest moral obligation to take on those tribes requesting entry into our polity and to maintain a precedent of doing so. Ideally we could split the tribes and the tech access and kick the can down the road a bit, but c'est la vie.
 
Is one compromise and one demand something that they would accept though? It's not really a good deal for them and they did slightly better than us in the fight.
 
I don't know if they would! It's the outcome least clearly addressed by the QM's instructions, but I tried to look at the fiction (which is why I concluded that nobody expands/we take the tech was insane in a way this is not) and make a guess, which in this case is "I think this leads to negotiation rolls and/or conflict down the road, but is possible."

And they rolled slightly better, but they had worse bonuses than we did. A war is a big gamble for them to launch.
 
Yeah, I'm okay with some post-war squabbling over the spoils, whether in the form of skirmishes or negotiations. That sounds interesting and potentially lucrative.
 
[] Demand Technological Access
[] Concede the Tribes' Entry to the League of Strength

We can take the tribes back later. Tech is what we need right now.
 
[] Demand Technological Access
[] Concede the Tribes' Entry to the League of Strength

The tech is way more important than the few meagre ravaged tribes ever would be. If the people could reverse engineer even some heavy weaponry of the army, of God for it, managed to make a machine gun, the manpower boost from the tribes to the League of Strength is essentially irrelevant.
 
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Edgeofdoom said:
The tech is way more important than the few meagre ravaged tribes ever would be. If the people could reverse engineer even some heavy weaponry of the army, of God for it, managed to make a machine gun, the manpower boost from the tribes to the League of Strength is essentially irrelevant.
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The tech that gave them a.......+5 on 3d100?

Tech is cool and I also want it but it is not manna from heaven, guys.
 
I do think that while not a silver bullet, tech will be more useful in the long run than marginally more population.
 
[] Demand Technological Access
[] Concede the Tribes' Entry to the League of Strength

Agreed, the technology is more valuable.
 
The technology is more valuable not because of what we can learn about it but because we can learn to counter it.

We can assume the Machine army, the tech Barrons and maybe even sanctuary use similar or the same stuff so learning the weak spots, the blind spots, where they are most/least effective and gain experience on fighting them
 
[X] Demand Technological Access
[X] Concede the Tribes' Entry to the League of Strength
 
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