Counting Sheep - A Pokemon Trainer quest

"Hmm… I probably wouldn't go asking other Trainers, but I don't mind," she drawls consideringly. "When I was ten years old, I met Rayquaza up close, in the flesh."

Wow, this is kind of horrifying, meeting such pokemon at a young age. There is definitely a before Rayquaza Melaty and an after Rayquaza Melaty.

So what do people think about ours goals should be? I don't think Joan would like to do contest since he has a massive chip on his shoulders about his image, competitive could be fun but I confess that my interest is more in exploration.

Since themes are about expressing a part of yourself, why not catch and raise pokemon seen as weak or harmless and show the world how strong they can be? How strong Joan can be. The Mareep line already fall in this category and we could use 'mons that aren't viable in the game. We would have a fairly unique team for a protagonist.

Exemples: Farfech'd, Furret, Butterfree.
 
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[][No Idea] You don't know. And that's fine isn't it ? The possibilities are endless, and you intend to get a taste of everything before settling on something. You can live with being a bit of a dilettante for your beginnings.

[][Explorer] Who cares about the things you could be doing in the known parts of the world, when there's so much to discover still ? Sure, satellite imagery has ruined some of the magic, but there's still plenty of areas that haven't been actually explored even if the world now knows what they look like.

Still a little early on to decide imo.

Edit: After some thought, I decided that the Explorer one kind of calls to me a bit more.

[][Write-in] Intrigued. Having such a powerful bond with pokemon that they changes your own physiology is an incredible thing to consider. A bit nerve-wracking as well, but it's not the worst thing you could think of happening. But it also meant that you needed to be careful in selecting your core theme, as the psychological impact is far more unsettling to think of.

[][Stick in the Centre] Your legs are killing you, you have some reading with you and if nothing else you didn't miss the hopeful look that Joy sent you when she heard you had no plans — you might as well stick around and save her from her boredom. You don't think there's such a thing as a Joy that's a bad conversationalist, and if there's one thing that will never not be useful as a Trainer it's fostering good relations with the nurses — it's well-known that their gossip network might be one of the better ones in the world.

Let's find out what the recent gossip is.

Edit 2: I am teh dumb, didn't see the moritorium. Also @ReverendSwing you can put up a timer until a vote opens in the vote settings.
 
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[X][No Idea] You don't know. And that's fine isn't it ? The possibilities are endless, and you intend to get a taste of everything before settling on something. You can live with being a bit of a dilettante for your beginnings.

[X][Explorer] Who cares about the things you could be doing in the known parts of the world, when there's so much to discover still ? Sure, satellite imagery has ruined some of the magic, but there's still plenty of areas that haven't been actually explored even if the world now knows what they look like.

Still a little early on to decide imo.

Edit: After some thought, I decided that the Explorer one kind of calls to me a bit more.

[X][Write-in] Intrigued. Having such a powerful bond with pokemon that they changes your own physiology is an incredible thing to consider. A bit nerve-wracking as well, but it's not the worst thing you could think of happening. But it also meant that you needed to be careful in selecting your core theme, as the psychological impact is far more unsettling to think of.

[X][Stick in the Centre] Your legs are killing you, you have some reading with you and if nothing else you didn't miss the hopeful look that Joy sent you when she heard you had no plans — you might as well stick around and save her from her boredom. You don't think there's such a thing as a Joy that's a bad conversationalist, and if there's one thing that will never not be useful as a Trainer it's fostering good relations with the nurses — it's well-known that their gossip network might be one of the better ones in the world.

Let's find out what the recent gossip is.

There is still a moratium. We can't vote yet.
 
He got brought up already - although Team Instinct doesn't exist, he's got a counterpart running around in Kanto, as do the other GO Team leaders. As a rule of thumb, assume that if they're a pokemon character, unless they were like a one-off in the anime I've found a way to shoehorn them in somewhere, even if it's sometimes blended in with others. (For example, Crystal is a mix between the protagonist of the game of the same name, her Adventures manga namesake and Marina from the anime, although the latter is the dominant influence there).
Shoot, sorry. Um, I'm kinda stuck on blondes now, so... Link? Minus the pointed ears. Or just look for generic male elves, they tend toward softer features unless you're in Kaldheim.
 
She doesn't elaborate, and she doesn't need to. Her mother is from Pacifidlog, and you know from your research she often goes there. Hell, it's where Pep and Jura came from. Which means she comes from the single town that's closest to the fabled Mirage Tower where the Prime Rayquaza is known to live.
Just a quick correction. It should be Sky Pillar instead. Mirage Tower is the one in the desert in Emerald and holds the fossils.
 
I actually have a bit of an idea for what our Core as a trainer would be.

The Misfits and Oddballs.

We, as a trainer, are weird compared to others due to our age, knowledge, and circumstance. Our starter is notable for being different in mentality and physiology from others of its type. Why not embrace that and become the Trainer that people go to when they need help? The one where experts go "I can't help you, but he can." Something about being a nurturing pioneer just appeals to me here for some reason.
 
I feel like, with jasmine's speciality, a nice chat with her would do wonders for our training of our mareep.

[][All About that Life] In some way, you've already reached your goal — to be a Trainer. Not that you lack ambition ; rather, you didn't care about recognition or accolades, so long as you can carry on working to become the best you could be whilst living the Trainer life.
 
Fools! Peak soft boy aesthetic include glasses!




 
If we look at the character as written so far, there's that internal complex of trying to go beyond the soft boy exterior and end up more "manly". This could be a part of his theme then, Pokémon that have a cute/soft base form that evolves into more masculine forms. For example, shinx. Admittedly there's a whole variety of possible candidates(regional starters all practically qualify) but this is where the rather arbitrary personal rules come in, such as Misty's "only cerulean caps water mons" or Falkners "only mons his father used".
 
Reading about Marigold tendencies to retreat from offensive behavior to their inherent turtling tactics makes me think

Can we make Sword and Shield theme? Or themes of having Pokemon that can do well switching from Offense and Defense or Aggresive and Passive.

Our dream is to become manly right? But there are a lot of people that also likes the Soft Boy Persona that we have. So I think this theme will be appropriate for us while also giving us the flexibility that we want.
 
[][Trainer to the Stars] Your personal fascination has always lied more in all the myriad ways you can train up a pokemon, rather than what you'd actually do once it gets there. You'd love nothing more than to be one of those Trainers who gets hired for interesting training jobs by the rich and famous, and see the
Gut feel likes this a lot, or playing into the Coordinator life
[][Stick in the Centre] Your legs are killing you, you have some reading with you and if nothing else you didn't miss the hopeful look that Joy sent you when she heard you had no plans — you might as well stick around and save her from her boredom. You don't think there's such a thing as a Joy that's a bad conversationalist, and if there's one thing that will never not be useful as a Trainer it's fostering good relations with the nurses — it's well-known that their gossip network might be one of the better ones in the world.
Getting to know the Joy seems handy.
 
Hmm, with his ambition to stand on the top, I would personally say competitive, But Undetermined would also be good. I like either of those because they fit the chracter so far.
On how he feels, hmm. Is it weird that my personal take is basically equivalent to learning an interesting fact? I'm not sure how much it will bother the MC, After all it seems like the kind of thing that someone with that kind of ambition would just shrug, declare it was part of the trainer Life and then move on.

Far more interesting was the look into different trainers styles and how they picked pokemon for their teams. Part of me wants to ape jasmines due to my love of steel and rock types lmao but that feels cheap for something so deeply personal in this quest, So i'm still on train "let it grow naturally"

[][Explore Town] You've been a handful of times to Silverwing for day trips and the one memorable weekend, but you've never really taken the time to just… discover it. See where your feet take you — it's not like it's a big place.

All three look good, but I like the idea of just wandering the town. never know what you can find if you let it speak to you afterall.
 
I'm thinking all about that life or explorer. Seems to fit.

Fine with any bond traits. Could be fun.

And shrine, definitely.

As far as a theme I'm definitely wanting something like Pokemon that start out cute and adorable and end up badasses.

So a theme like "Toughen Up!" or "Won't be soft forever!"

Like a Aron is cute, then it ends up a Aggron and looks like it would be fine fighting godzilla.

And mareep turn into a electric (kinda) dragon.

I just think that would fit with us starting off as a soft boi and hopefully ending up a badass ourselves.
 
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For reference, do contests still have categories like cool and toughness? That should pretty much counter the concern some people have about Joan's image problems.

I've got some thoughts about themes but those will have to wait until I get some more time on my hands, same for maybe digging for images. (Although blonde hair seems pretty much mandatory given the collor association with Marigold goes all the way to our name.)

As for the trainer bond, my gut reaction would be something like
[] It's the Trainer that picks the pokemon, if they influence them in a way they don't like that sounds like the Trainer made a mistake when chosing his Team. Otherwise, nobody seems to doubt that the Trainer bond is a good thing when it comes to the pokemon, so I don't see why it should be the other way around for us humans.
 
Fuuuucking hell. I'm sure Melati loves, dotes on, and enjoys spending time with her snakes, but I kind of pity her 'mons. Imagine knowing that the person you're bonded with has such a titanic, impossible ideal enshrined in their heart.
I'd say it is quite likely that all her mon agrees with her thinking. They are all Proud after all. They probably see Prime Rayquaza as some sort of idealized Top Snake, or maybe as the ultimate snake goal to strive for. This is triply true since Rayqyaza basically babysits Groudon and Kyogre (also you know, snake dragon & ground crawler < sky snake).
 
[X][Coordinator]
[X][Explorer]

[X] It feels like a natural consequence. - Nobody seems to question the trainer's bond when it affects the pokemon, so it only seems fair that it takes effect the other way around as well. If a trainer doesn't want to be more like their pokemon, they probably shouldn't have added them to their team in the first place.
[X][Stick in the Centre]

To moratorium should be up, so here goes.

My interest on the contest route depends a bit on how exactly they work for the context of the quest, but given that this isn't a hard vote, I might as well mark my interest for it. Otherwise I'd be perfectly happy to explore the world. While many of the involved trainers sound interesting, the current gym paradigm doesn't sound like something I'm all that wild about participating in. At least not until we got ourselves a baseline of training and are less squarely in the "get stomped, but maybe receive a pitty badge" territory. Then I'd be up to tip our toes into it.

As for the trainer bond vote, I'm aiming for something along the lines of neutral acceptance. Being all gung ho about how you can benefit from training pokemon seems off to me, but a symbiotic relationship were both sides make each other better does feel like that's a good way for things to be.

And as for my updated thoughs about themes, honestly, surprisingly little has changed for such a reveal. Like, having such a big decision tie into the protagonist's personality is kind of a "no duh" moment. The fact that there's somewhat of a mechanical incentive there is secondary. The one big difference is where exactly the attention for narrowing down the focus of a theme should be.

On which note, I somewhat amused by how close we ended up to Jasmine on sheer coincidence, what with picking a mareep as our starter that has a strongly developed magnetic sense and right down to picking a trainer archetype more inclined towards defense. Stumbling across the spear counterpart of her best friend is oddly in line for Melati. It's a comparison I'm not exactly opposed to leaning into either, given that zone control is a theme I've been eyeing for a while, albeit with more of a focus on the control aspect in general, rather than playing into the defense angle. As mentioned before, it does play pretty nicely into his reaction to named pokemon and how they seem to bend the world around them.

On the other hand, I'm growing more opposed to just a cute/fluff theme, given that Joan pretty specifically already has image problems. That does still leave room for more of a theme that basically takes cute pokemon and toughens them up in one way or another, but it'll definetly take more than just something cute for it to click with his character for me. Even then though, being around that many pokemon innitially defined by their cuteness sounds like it'd make Joan' situation much worse before it gets better. Afterall this is as much about the pokemon changing the trainer as it is about the trainer changing them. Picking up pokemon defined by a trait you don't want sounds like it could have nasty consequences.

The big question ultimately though is what kind of character we want to shape Joan into. I have no interest in getting Joan the kind of pompus ego now rightfully associated with dragon trainers, so the dragonborn theme for example is pretty much dead to me. Likewise, I don't really want his complex to be the driving force that compells him either. That is to say I'd rather have him find a way to stand on his own then potentially gravitate towards incorporating cute/fluffy pokemon as appropriate, rather than shaping his entire lifestyle around living vicariously through pokemon he wants to push into a paticular niche.
 
[x][No Idea]
[x][Stick in the Centre]

[x][Write-in]
Relieved. Now knowing more about the differences regarding an academy pokemon and a Trainer's pokemon along with a Named pokemon, you can't help but feel assured in the knowledge that you won't be left behind the more your team develops. You can GROW with them as well. Become closer and share in their strengths as well. You can't help but wonder why this knowledge isn't more widely known.


Now knowing more about the Themes, some variation of Soft becomes all the more apealing to me. Maybe a variation of Marina's theme where instead of Cuteness is Strength, we can go for Softness is not Weakness or maybe a more positive view would be Pride in Softness (or some variation of it).

This opens up the choices to either all the "show" or trophy mon, or the mon who gets abused or ignored because they aren't aggressive or just aren't usually seen as "serious" pokemon because of their appearance or maybe their usual carefree/kind nature. This also links to me voting to talk with the Joy, because I am fairly sure I want a Chancey to be part of our team, along with havng the option to have a Joy as a possible romanric interest, though that is more of my wishful thinking than an actual hope.

edit: a small side note, I still really dislike how Archeology won as our background course.
 
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[X][Explorer] Who cares about the things you could be doing in the known parts of the world, when there's so much to discover still ? Sure, satellite imagery has ruined some of the magic, but there's still plenty of areas that haven't been actually explored even if the world now knows what they look like.
[X] It feels like a natural consequence. - Nobody seems to question the trainer's bond when it affects the pokemon, so it only seems fair that it takes effect the other way around as well. If a trainer doesn't want to be more like their pokemon, they probably shouldn't have added them to their team in the first place.
[X][Go to the Shrine] Accompany Melati to the Silver Feather Shrine, you didn't get that degree because you were incurious when it comes to myths and legends ! That said, you know for a fact the shrine has been abandoned by its patron deity, and it's hardly reputed for having riches beyond imagination or even anything particularly interesting aside from its titular feather.

If we want to explore, going to the Shrine with our very helpful travel partner seems like something we would go for.
 
[X][Explorer] Who cares about the things you could be doing in the known parts of the world, when there's so much to discover still ? Sure, satellite imagery has ruined some of the magic, but there's still plenty of areas that haven't been actually explored even if the world now knows what they look like.
[X] It feels like a natural consequence. - Nobody seems to question the trainer's bond when it affects the pokemon, so it only seems fair that it takes effect the other way around as well. If a trainer doesn't want to be more like their pokemon, they probably shouldn't have added them to their team in the first place.
[X][Go to the Shrine] Accompany Melati to the Silver Feather Shrine, you didn't get that degree because you were incurious when it comes to myths and legends ! That said, you know for a fact the shrine has been abandoned by its patron deity, and it's hardly reputed for having riches beyond imagination or even anything particularly interesting aside from its titular feather.

The desire to explore seems like an interesting goal to take, because that way lies the path of world-building. I also like the idea that our trainer has a strong natural sense of curiosity ontop of his natural sense of wonder and awe, and has a very keen interest in the lore of the world he is in - which was why he decided to take that degree in Mythology to begin with. I actually think a Loremaster theme might be an interesting direction to look into.

Out of disclosure, I remembered voting for Geography, and I am happy that Mythology wins. It's really cool to see how the QM world builds the history of the Pokemon world, and the Pokemon world is definitely one full of Lost-tech and myths with actual power.

For this reason, I'd like to vote for choices that attenuate this sense of curiosity and have it shape the trainer to have some degree of direction in this quest. It is the history of the shrine itself that is interesting, and merits exploration in itself, for it once stood as living proof of the relationship between humans and Pokemon.
 
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[X][Explorer] Who cares about the things you could be doing in the known parts of the world, when there's so much to discover still ? Sure, satellite imagery has ruined some of the magic, but there's still plenty of areas that haven't been actually explored even if the world now knows what they look like.
[X] It feels like a natural consequence. - Nobody seems to question the trainer's bond when it affects the pokemon, so it only seems fair that it takes effect the other way around as well. If a trainer doesn't want to be more like their pokemon, they probably shouldn't have added them to their team in the first place.
[X][Go to the Shrine] Accompany Melati to the Silver Feather Shrine, you didn't get that degree because you were incurious when it comes to myths and legends ! That said, you know for a fact the shrine has been abandoned by its patron deity, and it's hardly reputed for having riches beyond imagination or even anything particularly interesting aside from its titular feather.
 
[X][Explorer] Who cares about the things you could be doing in the known parts of the world, when there's so much to discover still ? Sure, satellite imagery has ruined some of the magic, but there's still plenty of areas that haven't been actually explored even if the world now knows what they look like.
[X] It feels like a natural consequence. - Nobody seems to question the trainer's bond when it affects the pokemon, so it only seems fair that it takes effect the other way around as well. If a trainer doesn't want to be more like their pokemon, they probably shouldn't have added them to their team in the first place.
[X][Go to the Shrine] Accompany Melati to the Silver Feather Shrine, you didn't get that degree because you were incurious when it comes to myths and legends ! That said, you know for a fact the shrine has been abandoned by its patron deity, and it's hardly reputed for having riches beyond imagination or even anything particularly interesting aside from its titular feather.
 
On "how do we feel about the trainer bond" , I think it's a little weird but also cool - knowing that Melati's inhuman snakeness is actually a bit inhuman is somewhat wierd... but also the idea of you and your pokemon bonding so much you become like each other is proof of how close you are.

Also, while we may not go full competitive battler, I do want to go for some gyms and show our stuff. at some point.

And lets stay around and talk to Joy.

[X][All About that Life] In some way, you've already reached your goal — to be a Trainer. Not that you lack ambition ; rather, you didn't care about recognition or accolades, so long as you can carry on working to become the best you could be whilst living the Trainer life.
[X] A little weird but also cool - knowing that Melati's inhuman snakeness is actually a bit inhuman is somewhat wierd... but also the idea of you and your pokemon bonding so much you become like each other is proof of how close you are.
[X][Stick in the Centre] Your legs are killing you, you have some reading with you and if nothing else you didn't miss the hopeful look that Joy sent you when she heard you had no plans — you might as well stick around and save her from her boredom. You don't think there's such a thing as a Joy that's a bad conversationalist, and if there's one thing that will never not be useful as a Trainer it's fostering good relations with the nurses — it's well-known that their gossip network might be one of the better ones in the world.
 
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