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[X] Labor
Didn't we, uh, allow our "charity organization" to continue under Ma? Could they be getting up to shit?
Chachi frowned at her, "is this some kind of tactic?" she asked Teo as much as Okichiltekitki.
"Tactic? I'm just telling you the facts. We cannot fulfill your latest orders. Sorry. We serve our more reliable customers first. We can give you the scraps after their orders are fulfilled."
My first instinct is to say that this a test to see who Chachi is. If she's gonna be like her old man skirting around the union then her business isn't all that appealing. So dueling and aggressive I think would be the worst options in trying to show we ain't like the Patriarch.
Ideally it's a test. Worst outcome is that she is being payed or leaned on to take that sort of bitter attitude towards us. Means we're up against someone with enough soft and or hard power that it's be better to (in her mind) 100% offend us than maybe offend the one offering the deal or that the deal presented is too juicy to pass up.
The middling scenario is that our old man was playing a real mean game of hard ball with the union for a hundred years. Hard but mom hid it so Teo didn't know so probably more mean than anything. And Okichi is taking advantage of the Tlaloc's house rules to spit in our clan's face.
And I feel you'd have to be godly at charming when up against so much spite or carrot and stick is behind her. If those things are indeed the case with her.
Dueling could honestly work but I feel we'd start of with real sour relations. It's also possibly a trap in which she calls up a substitute or where the duel isn't martial in nature. I forget the duel rule specifics like who chooses the nature of the duel or if she can elect a champion. The cone head is here though.
"You know how long it takes to grow 1000-year-cinnamon?"
"1000 years?" Chachi answered slowly, still shocked by the tone of her business partner.
"You got it!" Her voice dripped with scorn, "Essence farming takes centuries of careful cultivation of the earth. We can't just mix up a new recipe every quarter like you. We need assurances if we plant 1000-year-cinnamon that it will sell in a 1000 years. Your father has been fighting the union for a century. Every year you found a dozen new ways to mix your fancy water so you can bypass our farmers, and where you couldn't do that you've tried to buy up our lands and pouch our members. Anything to avoid working with the Union. Now, you're finally forced to pay a fair price for your cure-all and you come crawling back, as if we had somehow anticipated your need for twice as much cinnamon this year 1000 years ago!"
It seems 1000-year cinnamon has a short shelf life?
We could offer to build a granary for the Union that increases shelf life in exchange for a certain amount of 1000-year-cinnamnon per year? Or we build the granary for ourselves and then offer a contract to buy up to x amount of cinnamon per year at a lower price, then resell it in lean years?
She's not complaining about shelf life. What she's saying is that her clan is putting massive amounts of time and effort into their product, only for buyers to try to swindle them at the point of sale instead of getting a reliable prearranged selling price. Imagine if a dozen generations of your family put their blood, sweat, and tears into making that cinnamon only for it to sell at half the market rate because some powerful clan felt like exerting pressure for a discount.
I think it's likely that she's being honest with us. Our old patriarch or another member of the family severely harmed relations with the farming union while Chachi and Teo were kept out of the loop. Though she wouldn't say as much to our face if she didn't have a backer.
Regardless we should repair relations as we don't have a thousand years to grow our own cinnamon. Even if we could cut that time in half it doesn't help us now.
Also I'm assuming everything we do here is known by the lord of this place given their strong connection to their domain and its populace. We've already caused this lord business troubles recently and they're powerful enough to crush our clan if they feel like it. I'd rather this lord see us as someone who can make nice and build bridges than as a troublemaker who'd continue causing them headaches.
It seems 1000-year cinnamon has a short shelf life?
We could offer to build a granary for the Union that increases shelf life in exchange for a certain amount of 1000-year-cinnamnon per year? Or we build the granary for ourselves and then offer a contract to buy up to x amount of cinnamon per year at a lower price, then resell it in lean years?
If they have a lasting stockpile they can control, the Union can better manipulate the price, as long as we carve out an exception for ourselves, what do we care about how it affects others, so long as the Union takes the blame?
Of course all this depends of being able to make a granary, @Mr. Prokosch Does this seem feasible to Chachi?
If that fails, I'm inclined to point out how we have a lot more options than she does.
We are opening up new markets and they might soon no longer be the only supplier. If we fail both to secure a new supplier and to secure the rights to Heavenspan water, we can sell the knowledge to replace 1000-year-cinnamon. We can harm their thousand year long investment and make a lesser profit if pushed to the limit.
Maybe we find a way to work with 950 year old cinnamon instead and undercut her? What mortal is going to want to wait 50 years when they could get paid now?
Chachi can probably build a granary. She's very good at making things. A Granary is a large building, and in the past she's found it's much easier to make small things in the Forge, so she'd want to contract with a construction clan like the one she just talked to for most of the labor. She could design some object that preserves things near it, but preservation isn't too hard of a trick, so the construction clan could do that without her help.
They don't really need a granary though. They are mostly mortals so you're looking at a mortal preservation methods, but the Union as a collective can afford imbued granaries shared by the collective for goods that need it. 1000-year-cinnamon is just an example of their grievance (if you take that at face value) which as a poster above said isn't really about shelf-life.
That being said, 1000-year-cinnamon is probably the most hyperbolic example given the growing time, and it does have a short shelf life that even a magical granary won't solve. 1000-year-cinnamon is only potent for one year. 999-year-cinnamon and 1001-year-cinnamon are useless for making elixirs. Certain numbers have power: 3, 7, 13, 1000 and also combinations such as 21 (3 7s) and 777 (3 7s again). Only the Saints really 'get' why that is, but regular people can work around it.
Chachi could actually use 950-year cinnamon or even 1 year cinnamon in the Forge. The Forge breaks everything down to Essence and Teotle, the building blocks of the universe, and then builds them back up from there. So there's a tiny bit of cinnamon essence in the weaker cinnamon that she can collect into the Forge and with enough of it make an Elixir. Her clan just can't do that, they don't currently have the means to extract that tiny speck of essence out of a pile of cinnamon and then concentrate it all together again, they need to start with the highest essence product available. You gave them some tools that might help them with that process but they just started using them.
If they did discover a way to make do with 950 year cinnamon, or more likely 777 year cinnamon, the Union would probably see that as an attack. The mortal farmers with partially grown cinnamon would of course want to harvest now and sell this year instead of in the next generation or two, but that undermines the farmers with mature cinnamon and drives down prices for the whole collective. Doing stuff like that is the heart of the grievance (if the grievance is legitimate).
Come on yall, play into our matriarch role lol. We demand respect!
I see, it's literally 1000-year-cinnamon. That explains a lot. Looks like we can't Forge our way around this issue. Oh well.
Maybe we can make a contract to buy a certain amount of cinnamon a year for a decade or something.
"Tactic? I'm just telling you the facts. We cannot fulfill your latest orders. Sorry. We serve our more reliable customers first. We can give you the scraps after their orders are fulfilled."
To flexYour vote has the threat of a duel, what is the end goal of a duel in this situation?
Also why demand respect from someone either honestly ticked off or acting that way for some other purpose?
Our clan may not be in the position where being conciliatory is a good PR look, i.e. being run over by mortals vs being nice to mortals
[X] Direct
Okichiltekitki arched an eyebrow at her. From her elaborate hair-do down to her invisible sandals (a fashionable imbued toe-ring that let her bare feet seemingly float just off the floor) she was the height of elegance. Everything about her screamed the opposite of "farmer," but that was the point. The farmers, even ones growing essence rich products for clans and sects, had long been the bottom of society. A "farming clan" or even a "farming cultivator" was like an oxymoron, or the start to a rude joke.
It was important that their representative be seen as a cultivator, a business woman, and not a simple farmer like the cowed mortal Chachi had just condescended to. Thus, Okichiltekitki, a woman who spoke for farmers yet literally never touched the earth.
(Some of these choices are re-litigating an earlier talk you had with Teo. I don't want to normally do that, but it's been a long time and arguably Teo's plan was merely to get Lord Tlaloc to the negotiating table, and now he is)
Can we get the SparkNotes of what we discussed with Teo? Specifically looking at the marriage option and if the calculus changed from knowing about the herd deal.
And is it possible to take a mixed bag approach? We can look into continuing some of the services our Father handled for the Lord, some level of compromise on taxation, and some level of benefit from the herd.
I'd consider the political marriage, but I don't remember why we didn't go for it originally.