Age of Ice and Blood: A Pathfinder System Heroic Fantasy Quest

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Wouldn't it make sense from the King's point of view to wed her himself and have Korman and Lirman enter a personal union? Now I'm neither advocating for the plan nor opposing just asking y'alls opinions.

[X] Goldfish
 
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Wouldn't it make sense from the King's point of view to wed her himself and have Korman and Lirman enter a personal union? Now I'm neither advocating for the plan nor opposing just asking y'alls opinions.

[X] Goldfish
I can't recall whether or not that has been mentioned previously as a possibility already, but it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. IIRC, the king is not currently married, and Aina would be a very good prospect for him, IMO. Also seems like a solid way to more closely bind Lirman and Korman together without resorting to outright conquest and it might sit better with some of Ansefu's vessels if they did wed, since it would look to them less like charity for moving against Obari and more an exercise of his power to expand his holdings.

Dunno if the political realities allow for it, though.
 
I can't recall whether or not that has been mentioned previously as a possibility already, but it doesn't seem like a bad idea to me. IIRC, the king is not currently married, and Aina would be a very good prospect for him, IMO. Also seems like a solid way to more closely bind Lirman and Korman together without resorting to outright conquest and it might sit better with some of Ansefu's vessels if they did wed, since it would look to them less like charity for moving against Obari and more an exercise of his power to expand his holdings.

Dunno if the political realities allow for it, though.
I believe the idea was in the room when she first arrived on Lirman, but after a quick takover failed to materialize it seems to have been left behind.

I doubt the king will want to deal with the administration of a second island which might consider him a conquerer with a trophy-wedding to get a claim.
 
I believe the idea was in the room when she first arrived on Lirman, but after a quick takover failed to materialize it seems to have been left behind.

I doubt the king will want to deal with the administration of a second island which might consider him a conquerer with a trophy-wedding to get a claim.
Something could probably be worked out. It's only an 8 day sea voyage between the islands. That's practically right next door in this setting.

Maybe Ohun would be willing to act as a recent on Lirman once more? Or Korman this time? He could perhaps do it as part of taking over the duties Aina's grandmother once handled?
 
Vote closed, let's see if I can manage this thing so late, if not three updates tomorrow
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Mar 7, 2022 at 5:06 PM, finished with 18 posts and 8 votes.

  • [X] Try to sway the king away from pushing Aina into marriage to get allies against Obari
    -[X] "Such a marriage might gain you the spears of Negu's men for the duration of the battle, but what then? You would place a man known for cruelty and violence, who even those who among your people who trade in both see as brutal and excessive, upon the throne of the largest islands of the Anwari. Even if you can win the war, you certainly won't secure the peace you hope to attain."
    --[X] "Without a doubt, Aina must find a husband if she is to continue her line. Whoever she weds should bring stability to the Anwari rather than strife, or do you wish to fight another war within a handspan of years?"
    -[X] If implying it doesn't get the message through to the king, then outright state the fear that someone like Negu is ripe for corruption, Daemonic or otherwise. Such men can be tolerated and managed when they have relatively little influence beyond their own band of cutthroats, but give them even a taste of real power and they'll always want more. It is all too easy to imagine him attempting to become another Redman, seeking to forcibly unite the Anwari on a ride of blood and death.
    --[X] There is also the fact that the man has likely made many enemies both among the Anwari and other nearby seafaring peoples. The Anwari don't have the best reputation among sea traders and travelers, and placing Negu in such a position of power will only make that worse.
    [X] Say nothing, it is not your place
 
Vote closed, let's see if I can manage this thing so late, if not three updates tomorrow
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Mar 7, 2022 at 5:06 PM, finished with 18 posts and 8 votes.

  • [X] Try to sway the king away from pushing Aina into marriage to get allies against Obari
    -[X] "Such a marriage might gain you the spears of Negu's men for the duration of the battle, but what then? You would place a man known for cruelty and violence, who even those who among your people who trade in both see as brutal and excessive, upon the throne of the largest islands of the Anwari. Even if you can win the war, you certainly won't secure the peace you hope to attain."
    --[X] "Without a doubt, Aina must find a husband if she is to continue her line. Whoever she weds should bring stability to the Anwari rather than strife, or do you wish to fight another war within a handspan of years?"
    -[X] If implying it doesn't get the message through to the king, then outright state the fear that someone like Negu is ripe for corruption, Daemonic or otherwise. Such men can be tolerated and managed when they have relatively little influence beyond their own band of cutthroats, but give them even a taste of real power and they'll always want more. It is all too easy to imagine him attempting to become another Redman, seeking to forcibly unite the Anwari on a ride of blood and death.
    --[X] There is also the fact that the man has likely made many enemies both among the Anwari and other nearby seafaring peoples. The Anwari don't have the best reputation among sea traders and travelers, and placing Negu in such a position of power will only make that worse.
    [X] Say nothing, it is not your place
Get some sleep, dude. It's nearly half past midnight in Romania, right?
 
Arc 12 Post 28: A Challenge from on High
A Challenge from on High

First Day of Elnu-Hamba (Elnu Descendent), 1349 A. L. (After Landfall)

"Such a marriage might gain you the spears of Negu's men for the duration of the battle, but what then? You would place a man known for cruelty and violence, who even those who among your people who trade in both see as brutal and excessive, upon the throne of the largest islands of the Anwari. Even if you can win the war, you certainly won't secure the peace you hope to attain."

The words do not earn you the answer you might have wished for, nor even expected. Indeed all about the crowded cabin there is a hush, broken only by the crash of waves and the hiss of sharply in-drawn breaths. Darun 'Half-hand' spits out a bone you had been half impressed he could even chew on given how many teeth he was missing and the Lady Atuko turns her head abruptly to fix you in a gaze disturbingly bright, but through it all it is Ohun you worry about the most, the old priest looks like he had just been made to swallow something unwholesome, or as though he is bracing for...

"A man of violence?" Ansefu King of Lirman scoffs. "And that aught to make me look elsewhere should it? What pray my lord do you think we aught to look for in our allies when the hour of blood is here, bakers, potters, bloody gardeners?" Here he waits for his lords to chuckle as he must have known they would. "Peace there shall be carved into the stones once the anjo-oru are gone and I would rather a strong king than a woman who ran aboard a foreign ship and who would be thought usurper and interloper if she is carried on our ships."

"Without a doubt, Aina must find a husband if she is to continue her line." You make a try of it, but from the murmurings all about you do not seem to be doing much good. So you try to drive your point home. "Whoever she weds should bring stability to the Anwari rather than strife, or do you wish to fight another war within a handspan of years?"

"Of then do you have someone in mind my friend?" the king asks waspishly as he rises suddenly from his seat to look down the long table at you. "Perhaps the very man you see in the mirror when you cut off your beard."

"And now he has just called you unmanly," Esha offers in silent speech. "Careful how you handle the boy, he is just old enough and sure enough of his power to go from spraying piss to spilling blood."

With that... lovely image in mind you throttle your anger as best you can and point out: "Those who love the dark would seek a place in shadow. The stain of the Neverborn on this land will not be cleansed by our passage. Is it truly your will that a man already known for cruelty as much as boldness shall rule?"

"By Angyos the Ass-Eye how do you know my mind enough to seek to change it?" the king of Lirman snaps.

Leaving aside the odd beasts that the curse invoked you begin to understand what this is about, it is not that he truly thinks you are weaving some plot to be made king, which you could swiftly deny, it is that King Ansefu, still uneasy on his throne, and perhaps even more uneasy at the thought of commanding in his first battle, has had enough of the advice of a foreigner who 'knows too much' in all manner of ways. He has already taken your advice once already and now you are criticizing him for how he chose to take it.

It is the custom of Anwari kings to take advice from their sworn men in public more than the kings you are used to, but it seems you have come up against a limit, at least so as far as the one fuming before you is concerned.

"Pardon, great king, if you will," Zaia interjects softly. "It is not only the great evils that we must here he concerned, the ambitions of men's hearts are many and I have found as pernicious in the passing of the years as the taint of dark spirits. Such a man was the Redman, rising from a broken land to be a threat to all the islands."

As though waiting for a signal, though more likely simply waiting for the chance to speak without interrupting an angry king, Ohun speaks up at last. "I fear that we might well be daubing a man with black ash who had not even set the kindling ablaze, a thing easy enough to prove. Ser Roland, do you here vow by your God that you have no designs on the throne of Korman or the hand of the Lady Aina and wish only to give best counsel as seems wise to you to the good of the fleet and all who sail beneath her masts."

What do you reply?

[] Make the promise
-[] Write in

[] Do not make the promise
-[] Write in

[] Write in


OOC: Here we are. Zaia did try to aid you on this one, but it has been building up for a while so you could not avoid it fully with only middling rolls.
 
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"By Angyos the Ass -Eye how do you know my mind enough to seek to change it?" the king of Lirman snaps.
Boi, you are intending to give Aina's home to a blood-thirsty manic/daemonbait vessel in an attempt to create a lasting peace.

We aren't trying to tell you how to do your job, but do you honestly think the Demons are going to leave Korman alone after one battle?
 
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Hmm; it looks as if Roland pushed his luck a bit too far here unfortunately. Perhaps we should have used Ohun as a medium instead?
 
This is an easy promise to make, but more importantly, it's what we say in response that matters here, IMO.

[X] Make the promise
-[X] "Of course I would make such a vow!" This isn't the time for a cool, collected Roland. Whatever Ansefu may think, he's basically an unblooded boy making accusations against a skilled warrior who could cut him down like a child. Among the Anwari, that's stepping over the line of good sense. Put some heat into the reply.
--[X] "Do not mistake my counsel for a lack of resolve or hidden ambition, for I do not shy away from the shedding of blood when necessary, as many of you have seen with your own eyes, and my home cannot be found among your islands. Heed my counsel or do not, that is your right as king of your people, but think long and hard about what kind of man you would place on the throne of Korman, and consider what he might do with that power. Not just tomorrow, or next season, or next year, but in five years, or ten. Do you want another bloody war before your own children are fully grown? Do you want your heirs to fight a war you sowed the seeds for with the decisions you made before they were even born?"
 
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[X] Make the promise

No issue and no need for much write-in, we have genuinly very little interest of becoming the king of some pirate-island a long travel away from the mediterran sea.
 
Oooh... :(

Well, I did not considered this seriously, and anyway, we have whole world to explore.

[X] Goldfish
 
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