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My Top Scum reads? Probably Scia or...

Actually, that's a tough one. Cyricubed? No, they claim day vigi. uh...

...Well, I'm suspicious of Shadell and Draxy and LostDeviljho but they're all very weak suspicions, and none of us have any info on Usili 2.0. Except maybe Young Pyro, if they decided to check the quiet guy.

ComiTurtle might be evil (they targeted the serial killer) but I doubt it. Cyricubed can easily be confirmed and likely will be today, unless they don't shoot for some reason.

I'm pretty sure Original Name and Zaealix are good. Maybe. Possibly. Okay, I think they're good.

The less said about Young Pyromancer the better.
 
I'm going to fart out a bunch of mostly un-connected thoughts that probably are going to contradict my earlier post but thats ok.

Hail was my hedge bet for the last little while and flipping town actually is helpful here, because it means I can take his views with sincerity rather than an agenda. Again I think this was a case of Maf being perfectly fine with the game-state going into the night and I think with Nictis up wanted to leave the vets to poke at each other for as long as possible (Chess Mafia 2 strat). I think any more speculation on this gets into some weird Angle-shoots and I wouldn't use any of it to build a reliable case, that being said Nictis getting blasted is probably really good for town.

God I'm going to have to do so much re-reading god damn you Nictis how dare you actually be an active player, biggest problem with Scum!Nictis is trying to decipher how much he's trolling with truth.

Comi is like 85% town in my eyes, I'm leaving room for Maf finding SK and fabricating a claim but this is an edge case.

YP is basically game-state cleared unless he's some strange 3p accessory, I think I was ok with doing this yesterday if there hadn't been an SK kill so honestly I don't see a reason why not to now, that being said if we hit endgame this might have to be re-evaluated but I don't see a point in wasting time on it today.

I guess those are my top two town reads atm? It's not really reads tho as much as I would just PoE them outright.

So:

Scia/Usi/Zaea are ATM kinda the LHF I guess they aren't terrible safety valve hangs, but I see them and I basically am no thoughts head empty, very boring and uninteresting to me so far. Zaea has the most town equity probably?

Cyric/Shadell are my two big Danger picks where I can't make up my mind yet, Shadell I need to do a deep read on, Cyric did the weird day-vig play both are essentially at complete neutral.

CCC is either mild smurfing scum or newbie town leaning newbie town.

LDJ...Mafia or personality clash, I am probably not the person to push this atm, at least not without some sanity checking, if it passes sanity checking though is still prob my preferred hang, LDJ gets some town equity for that fight with Nictis, but I think those two could pull off M v M in thread so it's not enough where I'm confident saying he's town either.

I'm at the point where I want to start building team narratives over solo scum narratives though.
 
Scia scum readers you need to give me a case for why I give a fuck about eliminating LHF via votes instead of letting the Vig clean them up before I even consider it.
 
OriginalName said:
LDJ gets some town equity for that fight with Nictis, but I think those two could pull off M v M in thread so it's not enough where I'm confident saying he's town either.
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I genuinely do not understand why people give me so much credit in this game, my only strength is obsessive monofocus and occasionally good note taking.
 
Cyri should dayvig today is my thought. If it's a weird bluff, they die tomorrow. Scum knows if Cyri's town, so we have a choice of confirming+quite possibly dying vs being outed. Additionally,

Comi is, pretty obviously, cleared in my mind. Scum doesn't have a strong reason to want the serial killer dead this early, especially if they're faking the mechanism of being found imo (more deaths faster is solid for mafia in my mind here, and if they have a handle on Snickers, there's a lot of room to handle them down the line.) Ill grant an edge case of outing an SK for town-cred, but that's a bit tinfoily imo.

Feelings here, the hail kill is still odd. You have Cyri who claims the power to self-clear and is an experienced player with a claimed PR that can be an absolute fucking disaster, but is also quite strong in the right hands, and is poised swing the balance toward town, Comi who's quite effectively cleared. Vets fighting isn't super likely when you're well on your way to building a very strong towncore.

So, YP. I'm not particularly inclined to lock YP as town. In particular, Nictis' weird cult speculation on YP is something I have mixed feelings here in retrospect. It was basically ridiculous, but I think kinda leading in with speculation that you'd know is wildly off base would be a decent way to take heat off a player. It may have just been largely noise or Nictis fucking with us to no particular ends beyond a somewhat consistent way of looking like scumhunting.
 
No.

I-it can't be.

This- this has to be a mistake!
It can't be that one of the resisters-
Zaealix-Senpai…

No.

This is wrong(or is it?)

When exerting my powers last night, I had- something compelled me. I was forced to… change targets, so to speak. A redirection, a blatant influence to observe Nictis-kun.

I gained knowledge of two possible actions they could have undertaken. The first is the ability to block an action. The second is to redirect. I assumed that the latter is what changed my target, but…

But the roleblocker! Earlier, when they were first mentioned, I commented that they were probably village, due to their target! But then, Nictis is easily savvy enough to think of the future possibility of roleclaiming roleblocker, and weigh it as more important than a momentary advantage…
No no no NO!

Please, it has to be a mistake. Someone, anyone, just…

Please! I—
All I wanted to do was make people more like them…
How did… how did it go so—
:cry:
 
*fake:edit: their ability also said it only worked on members of the Zaealix Collective, and their redirect was worded in a way that required targeting of the person it redirected to, so that's relevant even if they were scum. Also makes sense for prime, so I'm inclined to believe the flip is real. Saying otherwise is just for RP purposes*
 
Hrum.
So Nictis hit you with his redirect and made you redirect his power into himself? Is that what you're saying?
 
Zaealix said:
Hrum.
So Nictis hit you with his redirect and made you redirect his power into himself? Is that what you're saying?
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*yes. Presumably, they did it to force a situation where it couldn't be anyone but me who is the rolecop, or at least make it look like that was the case. Additionally, they could then have me backing them up quietly, as I'd infer that the ability failing could serve as a makeshift cop, especially since they had been one of the people bringing up that concept with my ability when it was being misunderstood in thread. Then, I'd trust their reads a lot more, which always helps as maf. It was honestly an extremely clever play if Nictis was wolf, and if it hadn't been for their death, I would have been completely fooled for basically the rest of the game. Hell, I'm still not completely sure they were maf, which just goes to show how the play was really well targeted at me specifically.

There is a reason why I'm hesitant on saying Nictis's alignment is for sure red though. Depending on whether the 'only works on Zaealix Collectivites' part applies to the target of the redirect, which the wording sort of implies it might, it could mean Nictis was Framed. However, it could also be that they had a passive that lets them read as 'Zaealix' to any role that checks for that, which would make a lot of sense. I don't know. Like I said before, this was the kind of convoluted mechanics deception that works really well on me, so I'm kinda thrown for a loop rn.*
 
Young Pyromancer said:
*yes. Presumably, they did it to force a situation where it couldn't be anyone but me who is the rolecop, or at least make it look like that was the case. Additionally, they could then have me backing them up quietly, as I'd infer that the ability failing could serve as a makeshift cop, especially since they had been one of the people bringing up that concept with my ability when it was being misunderstood in thread. Then, I'd trust their reads a lot more, which always helps as maf. It was honestly an extremely clever play if Nictis was wolf, and if it hadn't been for their death, I would have been completely fooled for basically the rest of the game. Hell, I'm still not completely sure they were maf, which just goes to show how the play was really well targeted at me specifically.

There is a reason why I'm hesitant on saying Nictis's alignment is for sure red though. Depending on whether the 'only works on Zaealix Collectivites' part applies to the target of the redirect, which the wording sort of implies it might, it could mean Nictis was Framed. However, it could also be that they had a passive that lets them read as 'Zaealix' to any role that checks for that, which would make a lot of sense. I don't know. Like I said before, this was the kind of convoluted mechanics deception that works really well on me, so I'm kinda thrown for a loop rn.*
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Incorrect death flips are definitionally bastard mechanics and I would be very upset if they were in the game.
 
tbh, doesn't surprise me in terms of the role spot I am in being seen as scum b/c of Atom's lack of activity

hmm; I am surprised by a lack of a cassandra's turtle this game :p ngl, it is now giving me in rereading through stuff, the slightest bit in my head if in terms of being played for a long game by scum, but I'd honestly doubt it

like, hmm; it is going to be a bit of a process in also working through all of nictis's posts as well considering how he appeared as scum, and thinking through the setup. Because hmm, setup of say like, seventeen people has us with one serial killer, and... three/four scum (most likely scum) I could imagine for configuration purposes?
 
Young Pyromancer said:
When exerting my powers last night, I had- something compelled me. I was forced to… change targets, so to speak. A redirection, a blatant influence to observe Nictis-kun.

I gained knowledge of two possible actions they could have undertaken. The first is the ability to block an action. The second is to redirect. I assumed that the latter is what changed my target, but…

But the roleblocker! Earlier, when they were first mentioned, I commented that they were probably village, due to their target! But then, Nictis is easily savvy enough to think of the future possibility of roleclaiming roleblocker, and weigh it as more important than a momentary advantage…
No no no NO!
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So Nictis redirected you to investigate Nictis?

That honestly seems very strange to me honestly. Seems like Nictis was our witch, with the way it's been described as a 'compulsion' and honestly I've always seen witch as a solely scum power, though things could be different here on SV, is a towny witch possible?

If not then redirecting you at him so you can see his powers would reveal him as scum, and really not sure why he would do that. But then he did volunteer d1 and well it's Nictis, so I'm probably missing something here.

Still think he would of had his reasons for doing so, or there might be some sort of transport antics going on. Just seems like a bit of a strange choice to me otherwise.
 
I'm pretty sure I can confirm that Nictis wasn't framed, or that at the very least his role is in fact mafia.
 
I'm doing my re-read atm, among other reasons for holding my tongue.
If there's one thing I learned from the Star Wars 8 debacle from reading a dude's article about it, part of HOW you say something is the timing of it all.
 
I think the only interesting thing is that YP claims to have been redirected by the scum redirector onto the now dead scum redirector.

Which is like pure wine.

I just can't muster up the ability to care about this for a third day, when scum has been keen on maintaining the game-state.

Like If that's not a sign we are on the wrong track I can't tell you what is.
 
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