Everyone is Zaealix Mafia (Mafia)

Okay, first off, terrible nickname 0/10 go get your nickname privileges revoked.

Secondly, why do you think I need more discretion? I'm both providing plenty of information for us Zaealix to use while hinting that I'd be a risky kill as I have an unnamed ability of some sort.

Oh, I dislike this.

Very sus of C3, but on the balance, I'm inclined to mostly read this as a new player, or at least one I don't know, I think, where YP has played more.

A clarification to the provided vanilla rolecard:


The highlighted section has no correlation with the name of the player with that role. If you got the role corresponding to your own name, it was by coincidence.

Okay, yeah, YP dies unless I'm missing something that makes this look less terrible.
 
Just me or did Young Pyro seem a bit too interested in town roles? All/most of the above discussion along those lines occurred to me but I didn't think it'd be pro-town to talk about it?
I'm not sure what you mean. All I did was post one thing on the mechanics, get attacked, then defend myself. I've speculated a bit more, but like, I made sure that all of it is stuff that you could deduce from the publicly available info.
Oh, I dislike this.

Very sus of C3, but on the balance, I'm inclined to mostly read this as a new player, or at least one I don't know, I think, where YP has played more.



Okay, yeah, YP dies unless I'm missing something that makes this look less terrible.
For cat, look at my post quoting them earlier. Also, unless this is a very elaborate ploy, the fact that I didn't know other people had different names as who their role is means that either the elim team is not talking at all, or I'm 3p at worst.

I should 100% not be voted today, and I'm currently waiting to get closer to EoD so some of the more experienced players will start speaking up, because I can't be the only one who sees this kind of thing. All I've done is post the first actually relevant thing, and then get attacked for it, and defend myself.
 
I'm not sure what you mean. All I did was post one thing on the mechanics, get attacked, then defend myself. I've speculated a bit more, but like, I made sure that all of it is stuff that you could deduce from the publicly available info.

I hadn't refreshed the page and hadn't seen Shadell's comments.

My issue is that while it's deducible from public info, making sure everyone knows that info isn't particularly valuable to town, and if that discussion leads to info leaking it seems like it does so in ways that only hurt town.
 
My issue is that while it's deducible from public info, making sure everyone knows that info isn't particularly valuable to town,
Why?
The reason anti-claim measures are put into games, and the reason closed setups even exist, is because the town's greatest strength is its numbers, but those are meaningless without everyone working towards the same goal. If everyone shares information and works things through step by step, the elims lose 90% of the time. If I wasn't town, I'd only share the info with my mates, but instead I'm telling everyone else, because I am bad at reads, so helping other people who are good at reads but bad with mechanics is the best thing I can do. And sure, it's not that helpful, but merely starting with that switched the entire game from meme-votes into serious mode, which helps create interactions for the analysts to look over later.

Additionally, the only info that's actually been 'leaked' is either 90% speculation, or Cat being Cat, and I don't think I can be held responsible for what they decide to reveal in thread. So like, I don't get why you're voting on me for trying to progress the game, one time, and then trying to explain myself later when people vote on me.
 
@hailcapital care to give your thoughts on anyone other than me?
Because e seriously, having the entire day be about one person, no matter how flattering it may be, is a bad idea.
Let's drop the 'me' issue for a bit, and talk about other people. We have the time.
 
@hailcapital care to give your thoughts on anyone other than me?
Because e seriously, having the entire day be about one person, no matter how flattering it may be, is a bad idea.
Let's drop the 'me' issue for a bit, and talk about other people. We have the time.

On one hand I agree.
On the other I really hate the deflection.

[x] Vote NinetyNineLies

Say something scummy.
 
I admit that I wasn't completely serious about my own vote, as from what I understand the Day One starting votes are usually just more or less trolling, but the way you're almost aggressively defending yourself just seems… odd. I'm sorry if anything I did made you upset; I certainly don't plan to actually vote you out today. In fact, all I know about how you play is from what you've told me yourself: that you usually get sussed day one and then only narrowly talk yourself off the stand.

The aggressiveness(or, at least, how upset you sound) makes me think you maybe overstated how you play.

That or you're Maf this time around. But I agree; where's everyone else at?

@RoachTV I don't believe you've contributed at all, yet you voted for Young Zaealix for "already said reasons". What are you thinking, my good Zaealix?
 
I should 100% not be voted today, and I'm currently waiting to get closer to EoD so some of the more experienced players will start speaking up, because I can't be the only one who sees this kind of thing. All I've done is post the first actually relevant thing, and then get attacked for it, and defend myself.

Starting the day with mech speculation is neutral to scum-leaning. It's not intrinsically bad but it can easily hurt town more than it helps, particularly ima closed set-up where scum knows more.

Also defending yourself by insinuating you may be a 3P is hardly helping your case.
 
Wait, is my name a evil role because I'm fairly new? How dare you. I signed up first!

What do you mean by this?

@Young Pyromancer There's not a lot to go on with most people. I kinda agree with @LostDeviljho on @Nictis ' avi. If it's legit done for RP purposes than it seems anti-fun to complain here but a part of me is thinking that it does make it harder to tell who is who between Nictis and @Zaealix and that does benefit mafia, even if only slightly.

@Draxy's posts seem okay at least.
 
What do you mean by this?

@Young Pyromancer There's not a lot to go on with most people. I kinda agree with @LostDeviljho on @Nictis ' avi. If it's legit done for RP purposes than it seems anti-fun to complain here but a part of me is thinking that it does make it harder to tell who is who between Nictis and @Zaealix and that does benefit mafia, even if only slightly.

@Draxy's posts seem okay at least.
Fair callout, I was thinking of tossing an edit onto it for distinguishment but haven't gotten around to it yet. I'll do that later.
 
My personal thoughts, read-wise is thus:
Zaealis is being Zaealis. No opinion.
Young Zaealix- Seems to have been chosen to be D1 Yeet, for talking about mechanical solving too quickly. Kind of inclined to agree-trying that too seems liable to go wrong while there's no universal mechanical knowledge to keep liars honest.
Zaealix^3 slightly has my attention for his claim of me voting Nictis...But then again, he seems to have made a mistake with his Zaealix Prime invoking concerning the vote. As Prime Zaealix, I have noticed this error...

...
Lastly?
Legend of Zaealix, you currently are my vote target.
 
My personal thoughts, read-wise is thus:
Zaealis is being Zaealis. No opinion.
Young Zaealix- Seems to have been chosen to be D1 Yeet, for talking about mechanical solving too quickly. Kind of inclined to agree-trying that too seems liable to go wrong while there's no universal mechanical knowledge to keep liars honest.
Zaealix^3 slightly has my attention for his claim of me voting Nictis...But then again, he seems to have made a mistake with his Zaealix Prime invoking concerning the vote. As Prime Zaealix, I have noticed this error...

...
Lastly?
Legend of Zaealix, you currently are my vote target.
Sorry, meme voted and then largely forgot about the game's existence due to a mess yesterday. Anyway, time for serious voting.
[X] Null Zaealix
[X] Vote Young Pyromancer

Not even for random chance, but because I literally don't believe Young Pyromancer is in the role list. My own name comes from someone not in the game, which to me says that a good deal of them were established before the player list, and the Zaealix Cult is a Discord meme. Young Pyromancer isn't on the discord, and therefore doesn't make sense as a pre-assigned role to me.
 
@RoachTV I don't believe you've contributed at all, yet you voted for Young Zaealix for "already said reasons". What are you thinking, my good Zaealix?
Sure, here ya go. This post explains my thoughts pretty clearly:
Well. I just came back from school and looked over the chat. CCC seems like they should probably reply with more discretion, while Young Pyromancer gives me bad vibes.

The "my rolecard says I used to be me" seems like he's trying to play it safe. We already know that at least one person who's old self isn't them, and thinking about it doesn't really make sense that you would get a role that used to be yourself. If that was how it worked, then people like True Zaealix would easily be confirmed to have a special role, which would probably be bad game design. So of course, people probably don't have their own name. (They could if it was randomized, but there's a low chance of that happening.) The claim that his old self is him makes it seem like he didn't want to randomly claim he was somebody else, as if he randomly claims he was a user, but someone else was that user, he'll get caught fast.
Also, the assertion that everyone should know exactly how the vanilla PM goes is kinda wrong, cuz people could have a Power Role, which uh, probably doesn't have the same name as them. So you can't really say that everyone should know this.
Finally, I dunno, you just seem like you are kinda fishing for role info?

These are just my thoughts though. Could have probably organized this better, but oh well.
[X] Vote Young Pyromancer
I may be too stuck on "I was previously me", maybe it's not a big issue, maybe it really was a coincidence. But I just find it suspicious is all.

Now, for an original thought... honestly I don't have much. Early game still, the meme phase is actually pretty short surprisingly (given it's a meme format at least 😜). The two main factors I've registered so far are Young Pyromancer and Ccclix.
 
On one hand I agree.
On the other I really hate the deflection.

[x] Vote NinetyNineLies

Say something scummy.

Hello. I am not scum, therefore you can trust anything I say.

Just kidding. At this point it looks like YP is a pretty popular vote, although a misstep this early on seems to be weird. But, for a lack of better options, then I guess I'll vote for him.

[X] Vote Young Pyromancer
 
On one hand I agree.
On the other I really hate the deflection.
I mean, after spending several pages of a thread talking about one person on day one, I'd say it's less of a deflection and more of a 'let's come back to this later, because this isn't getting anywhere.'
Also defending yourself by insinuating you may be a 3P is hardly helping your case.
Me saying something is 'at worst 3p' is not hinting that I'm 3p. It's acknowledging the fact that the logic doesn't defend against me being 3p, because just saying it shows that I'm town would be a lie, and imo, would actually be more indicative of someone being 3p.
Young Pyromancer isn't on the discord, and therefore doesn't make sense as a pre-assigned role to me.
That's fair.
If this is a big issue later on, I can talk some more about it, but I'd rather not at the moment.
but the way you're almost aggressively defending yourself just seems… odd. I'm sorry if anything I did made you upset;
No, it's not you. I'm mad at the experienced players, but they could be waiting for a bit, so it's not a big deal rn.

Also, just because you're not voting me seriously doesn't mean other people aren't, and having like half the game voting you with no one else even being in the conversation in the first 3rd-ish of d1 seems a bit concerning to me.
 
Early game still, the meme phase is actually pretty short surprisingly
Yup! If there's nothing else I can be happy with, at least I managed to get things actually moving.
Hello. I am not scum, therefore you can trust anything I say.

Just kidding. At this point it looks like YP is a pretty popular vote, although a misstep this early on seems to be weird. But, for a lack of better options, then I guess I'll vote for him.

[X] Vote Young Pyromancer
…D1 ends in like 2 days.
What the heck is this justification? This is your first post, you don't have to immediately vote.
 
Not even for random chance, but because I literally don't believe Young Pyromancer is in the role list.

Coincidence actually seems fairly likely to me here. If we assume other role cards are going to look something like the vanilla town role card, then it seems likely scum will also have a "you are [someone's SV name]" in their rolecard. If it's unlikely to random into your SV name, it's even more unlikely that presumably multiple scum would and so not know that the names on their rolecards didn't have to match. If YP is scum it could be that scum thought that the maf could have different rolecard names but town'd match, but this seems pretty unlikely.

Seems like the most likely scenario is that YP either did actually random into his own name on the rolecard or that he got a different name and chose to claim he got his own but that he knew vt could also have a different name when he did so. The first is NAI, not sure about the second but I'm not willing to say it's terrible.

What I said before about not liking the direction he was taking the convo when he was talking about this still stands.
 
Hello. I am not scum, therefore you can trust anything I say.

Just kidding.
:thonk:

Also, just because you're not voting me seriously doesn't mean other people aren't, and having like half the game voting you with no one else even being in the conversation in the first 3rd-ish of d1 seems a bit concerning to me.
I wouldn't worry about it too much. Pressure never really lasts that long. Watch, I'm gonna steal some of that pressure now.
Coincidence actually seems fairly likely to me here. If we assume other role cards are going to look something like the vanilla town role card, then it seems likely scum will also have a "you are [someone's SV name]" in their rolecard. If it's unlikely to random into your SV name, it's even more unlikely that presumably multiple scum would and so not know that the names on their rolecards didn't have to match. If YP is scum it could be that scum thought that the maf could have different rolecard names but town'd match, but this seems pretty unlikely.

Seems like the most likely scenario is that YP either did actually random into his own name on the rolecard or that he got a different name and chose to claim he got his own but that he knew vt could also have a different name when he did so. The first is NAI, not sure about the second but I'm not willing to say it's terrible.

What I said before about not liking the direction he was taking the convo when he was talking about this still stands.
I like this breakdown a good bit.

Now I'm gonna set something up. If anyone claims their SV name in their role I'm going to vote them.
 
Now I'm gonna set something up. If anyone claims their SV name in their role I'm going to vote them.

Hi I'm Nictis, and this is my favorite Zaealix in the game :V

Jokes aside I think I can agree with that assesment as a whole.

Looking back I'm a touch offput by how YP presented their stuff, it feels like it could be scum, but I also want to give them benefit of the doubt given they just came back to playing I believe.
 
Seems like the most likely scenario is that YP either did actually random into his own name on the rolecard or that he got a different name and chose to claim he got his own but that he knew vt could also have a different name when he did so. The first is NAI, not sure about the second but I'm not willing to say it's terrible.

What I said before about not liking the direction he was taking the convo when he was talking about this still stands.
For me it comes off as a weird and pointless lie that generates a great deal of theater. I genuinely don't think coincidence is a possible option here, and lynch all liars comes into play because of that. Admittedly there is a distinct worst case scenario, in that there's precisely one name I can think of that actually would have implicit importance. Which is basically the only reason I could see for this gambit in the first place.

For now my vote remains out of a lack of better options, and because this could well be something else.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Scia on Feb 12, 2022 at 2:39 PM, finished with 131 posts and 15 votes.
 
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