The Dragon Ascendant: NO SV: Welcome To Another Viserys Targaryen Quest (A Ck2 Quest)

To be honest that seems like a great opportunity to wait until they finish to kill each other and take the expoils from the winner while he is weakened...

An extremely old and simple tactic, but an extremely effective one, nonetheless..
That would be a possibility.

As long as they don't get dumb Ideas, like Nations at War tend to do, and decide to force us to get involved one way or another.
 
Oh you think that there aren't idiots that will try their best to bring a unified Westeros to bring them in and have them finish the wars they started then accept the humiliating surrender that they would have to live in.

You have another thing coming.
 
All I know is that we will get some Targaryen Fluff sooner rather then later.

Because you know what we need.

Fluff in the noble dark world.
 
D100 => 94 #Targaryen Fluff

Make that lots of Targaryen Fluff.

So any questions or comments
 
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[X]Because right now, you're too useful alive. I'm not a fool like Robert, nor a mad man like my father. You have your uses to me, and I am keen to make use of them. I only hope you realize that, and I may make use of you soon enough.

[X] Plan Building a Foundation for the Future

[X]To Be Debt Free:
Robert has squandered the Realms coffers with his appetites and flights of fancy, enough to where the Realm is in serious financial trouble, even with the debts of certain kingdoms forgiven.

[X]Expand Naval Defenses: The Royal Navy is not what it was under Lord Stannis as MAster of Ships. It has fallen on the wayside, and there are many reports that your enemies in the east wish to strike back against the Dragon lord who may threaten the Slave Trade.

[X]The City the West Desires: Kings Landing will be a capital worthy of being the Capital of this new Westeros.
 
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Ok, now that we have clarified what To Save the Realm would mean, I still think that the best approach is to keep out of foreign wars (something wich synergies nicely with having a powerful navy) and getting rid of the debt which is bleeding out the Realm

After finishing those objectives we can try to renew Kings Landing and deal with our trade deficit

[X]Plan Stabilize before expanding
-[X]To Save the Realm: The Realm needs time to heal from its decades-long bloodshed. The REalm needs peace. So you will give it to them.
-[X]To Be Debt Free: Robert has squandered the Realms coffers with his appetites and flights of fancy, enough to where the Realm is in serious financial trouble, even with the debts of certain kingdoms forgiven.
-[X]Expand Naval Defenses: The Royal Navy is not what it was under Lord Stannis as MAster of Ships. It has fallen on the wayside, and there are many reports that your enemies in the east wish to strike back against the Dragon lord who may threaten the Slave Trade.
-[X] Because right now, you're too useful alive. I'm not a fool like Robert, nor a mad man like my father. You have your uses to me, and I am keen to make use of them. I only hope you realize that, and I may make use of you soon enough.

Well Aegon and Dany aren't screwing each other so that's a good thing.
To be honest after so much incest between siblings, incest between aunt and nephew almost feels refreshingly mild...

But yeah, let´s get some diversity into the Targaryen Gene pool... Future generations will thank us...
 
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[X] Bold New World
-[X] Because right now, you're too useful alive. I'm not a fool like Robert, nor a mad man like my father. You have your uses to me, and I am keen to make use of them. I only hope you realize that, and I may make use of you soon enough.
-[X] Expand Naval Defenses: The Royal Navy is not what it was under Lord Stannis as Master of Ships. It has fallen on the wayside, and there are many reports that your enemies in the east wish to strike back against the Dragon lord who may threaten the Slave Trade.
-[X] The City the West Desires: King's Landing will be a capital worthy of this new Westeros.
-[X] Captains of Industry and Desire: For far too long, Westeros has been at the end of a staggering trade deficit to the East, and there is nothing any of the Kings of Westeros wished to change that. You are different. Seeing the East, and the squalor of Westeros, you know it can be better. Far better for everyone.

As I said previously, the debt and the peace are things that can be accomplished by taking care of Naval Defence and expanding Industry; few things more unifying after a partisan conflict than an external threat, and making the place flush with coin will take care of debts far better and in a more stabilising fashion than austerity-driven debt focussing. Remaking King's Landing isn't a hugely necessary part to these, but it will help both to make it a better locale for trade and industry, and to make it a workable navy yard/base of operations for a military force. (also, that's been a pet thing of mine for ASOIAF stuff for literal years now; I've done embarrassingly high amounts of research into it all, from sewage to expanding across the Blackwater and more). Make the big expenditures that are necessary before you start getting too worried about debts, else you'll find yourself a failing state. Not that the debts are unimportant, but it's more important to consider how we square them than an absolutist viewpoint that we must square them.

After that, we can focus more on debts, and on getting the gentry more involved; after all, they might be more willing to cough up for taxes and debt repayment when they see returns on investment, and when it's their own interests on the line (Spend their money to expand King's Landing? Controversial. Let them spend money to build a Parliament for themselves? Economical). I'll confess I'm also a sucker for transition and constitutional wonkery (like, one house of parliament or two? composed of whom? what margins needed to overrule the monarch on a decision? is there a judiciary, and if so who populates it, who fills it?) and, of course, succession business. But that's all secondary to getting ourselves on sure footing
 
To be honest after so much incest between siblings, incest between aunt and nephew almost feels refreshingly mild...

But yeah, let´s get some diversity into the Targaryen Gene pool... Future generations will thank us
With Magic coming back, we may have to diversify the Gene pool, if only to save ourselves from extinction.

Oh and stopping some assassins.
As I said previously, the debt and the peace are things that can be accomplished by taking care of Naval Defence and expanding Industry; few things more unifying after a partisan conflict than an external threat, and making the place flush with coin will take care of debts far better and in a more stabilising fashion than austerity-driven debt focussing
One thing that should be noted is that Westeros is a very heavily export driven economy with a population that dwarfs most of the other Free cities (with Volantis itself the only one capable of even coming close to Westerosi population size)

Westeros just plain old outnumbers the Free cities, are martial focused.

We have bodies that the slavers want for their markets, gold that the Cities need to operate and the capacity for a population explosion…

Oh and at this moment in time, a high (in a word) literate population. Although it is mostly in one book, the Seven Pointed Star.

Let's just say us getting even of our objectives that Help Westeros itself might cause a lot of diplomatic shifting across the east.

And with magic coming back, things should get real fun.
Remaking King's Landing isn't a hugely necessary part to these, but it will help both to make it a better locale for trade and industry, and to make it a workable navy yard/base of operations for a military force. (also, that's been a pet thing of mine for ASOIAF stuff for literal years now; I've done embarrassingly high amounts of research into it all, from sewage to expanding across the Blackwater and more).
Let's just say that turning Kings Landing into London is something I really want to do, and give Stannis his Naval Academy for the Memes.

Think about all the grinding of teeth that will occur as the students adopt some of his mannerisms.
Make the big expenditures that are necessary before you start getting too worried about debts, else you'll find yourself a failing state. Not that the debts are unimportant, but it's more important to consider how we square them than an absolutist viewpoint that we must square them.
And there in lies a big problem. We might get sucked in to paying more debts then we need to pay if those creditors try to fuck us over.
After that, we can focus more on debts, and on getting the gentry more involved; after all, they might be more willing to cough up for taxes and debt repayment when they see returns on investment, and when it's their own interests on the line (Spend their money to expand King's Landing? Controversial. Let them spend money to build a Parliament for themselves? Economical).
You know I've spent a lot of time planning how we can change Westeros into a parliamentary system… far longer then I should have to be honest.

But it involves the Political Madman named Tyrion Lannister.
I'll confess I'm also a sucker for transition and constitutional wonkery (like, one house of parliament or two? composed of whom? what margins needed to overrule the monarch on a decision? is there a judiciary, and if so who populates it, who fills it?) and, of course, succession business. But that's all secondary to getting ourselves on sure footing
So have I my friend. So have I.
 
So I just went deep into What could possibly be the population of Westeros and the Free cities.

And the rabbit hole just went deeper from there.

Tonight if I get around to it, we're getting a detailed breakdown of Westerosi Populations, classes and literacy.
 
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