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Jedi Padawan Quest (Star Wars)

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The Laurent said:
She could picture what was good about Barriss, what had been good about Anakin, even though both had fallen. One of them, though, had been willing to change. If Nylirah wanted to redeem herself, Nima wouldn't stop her.
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The thing is, here Bariss surrendered after a fight, a talk and an application of Combat Hugs.
She demonstrated an understanding that what she did was wrong and willingness to stop doing it.

Neither Anakin nor Nylirah did any such thing. At the moment, they are pretty much just assholes with magical powers.

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Mmm. I think the game is supposed to be an alibi. The thing is, there were three candidates there, but it was Hyrem who proposed it. The problem is, there's no evidence, and I don't see how exactly he would be able to do it.

Hyrem sounds like a person that would prefer sitting on two chairs, make everyone like him, or at least tolerate him.

Mmm, my only theory is that there's another Sith agent doing all this nearby, someone experienced enough to hide from a Master Jedi and an empath, and Nylirah is here to act as a distraction.

But, like, who would that even be? Another Anakin's groupie?
 
Ah, right. My recommendation here: remain neutral on all counts. The count looks like an asshole petty enough to sink the candidatures of people endorsed by outside observers and select someone all of them would hate working with.
 
I humbly propose the following course of action:

[] Plan You All Suck
-[] Dulia, the daughter.
--[] Try to use her ties to Nylirah to discredit her, or otherwise find ways to draw Count Nives away from her.
-[] Hali, the bureaucrat.
--[] Investigate the matter with the cooks. Why the sudden interest in what he's eating? If anything suspicious is found, use it to discredit her, or worse… if not, still oppose her candidacy.
-[] Hyrem, the noble.
--[] Try to find something, anything, to discredit him in the eyes of others, and if nothing is available, still try to argue against him.
-[] Axia, thesoldier.
--[] Investigate into her connection with the guards, in an attempt to turn something up to discredit her, or worse. And if not, still oppose her candidacy.
 
While tempting, the problem with this plan is that someone will become a Count, and if we piss all of them, you know, the Coalition will have a hard time working with whoever ends up in the big chair.
 
I think that we should ask who might be the best choice to succeed- in the sense of being the most competent, and also in the sense of likely to be favorable to the coalition.

I don't know who that would be.
 
Undead Martyr said:
I think that we should ask who might be the best choice to succeed- in the sense of being the most competent, and also in the sense of likely to be favorable to the coalition.

I don't know who that would be.
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The update was basically: "There are no good choices here."

Dulia is on sale, and I think she just likes Nylirah more than Nima.
Hali will get to try to push through her economical reforms, but there's a pretty low chance she'll get chosen and the Core has more to offer to her than the Coalition. Besides, she's the most likely suspect for the Count's poisoning at the moment, and I think the Count might get told that by someone.
Hyrem, again, will most likely try not to pick a side, unless pushed.
Axia is the one who's most willing to be politically active, externally, but her policy is apparently "get a fleet and start shooting at people I don't like".

So.
 
Assuming she can't be proven to be behind that attempt on the Count if there was one, strongly leaning towards Hali. She's the only one who is at least half decent and actually has any kind of plan, and political expediency and deals with corrupt assholes are what brought the Republic to this point. I feel for Axia but I don't think she really wants anything more than to go out in blaze of glory and take her planet with her.
 
[] Dulia, the daughter.
-[x] [Dulia] Keep neutral on her candidacy.
[] Hali, the bureaucrat.
-[x] [Hali] Keep neutral on her candidacy.
[] Hyrem, the noble.
-[x] Keep neutral on his candidacy.
[] Axia, the soldier.
-[x] [Axia] Keep neutral on her candidacy.

Personally, I'm leaning towards Hali as the best choice, but as Raiseth says, the count seems like the kind of guy to not pick whoever we openly support, or perhaps pick the one we try to hinder, so long as he doesn't hate them. Dulia does not seem reliable enough, Axia appears to be rather unstable, and as for Hyrem, the incident that Nives refers to disqualifies him, at least in my opinion. I doubt the kind of person who would torture someone to death (accidentally?) for sexual pleasure would be the kind Nima or the Coalition wants as the Count (Or have I misinterpreted that part of the text?).
 
SturmOgre said:
[] Dulia, the daughter.
-[x] [Dulia] Keep neutral on her candidacy.
[] Hali, the bureaucrat.
-[x] [Hali] Keep neutral on her candidacy.
[] Hyrem, the noble.
-[x] Keep neutral on his candidacy.
[] Axia, the soldier.
-[x] [Axia] Keep neutral on her candidacy.

Personally, I'm leaning towards Hali as the best choice, but as Raiseth says, the count seems like the kind of guy to not pick whoever we openly support, or perhaps pick the one we try to hinder, so long as he doesn't hate them. Dulia does not seem reliable enough, Axia appears to be rather unstable, and as for Hyrem, the incident that Nives refers to disqualifies him, at least in my opinion. I doubt the kind of person who would torture someone to death (accidentally?) for sexual pleasure would be the kind Nima or the Coalition wants as the Count (Or have I misinterpreted that part of the text?).
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Murder wasn't really mentioned one way or another. Just that whatever he did was something far too 'galactic' for the sensibilities of the planet.

*****

Again, someone was cut off, this time by a fat, elderly, bronze-skinned man who was roughly spherical, but with a small head, like a ball droid. He was bald, and his dark eyes glared out at the other man. "That you want useless reforms that will only hurt peasants and lead to the end of the glorious peace that I have pursued so effectively. But let me remind you of something: three years ago, a man named… Niles, I think, your age? Whips? Chains? Pain? Paddles? Something like that."

*****

Also, plan votes, please, I should have said that!
 
SturmOgre said:
Personally, I'm leaning towards Hali as the best choice, but as Raiseth says, the count seems like the kind of guy to not pick whoever we openly support, or perhaps pick the one we try to hinder, so long as he doesn't hate them. Dulia does not seem reliable enough, Axia appears to be rather unstable, and as for Hyrem, the incident that Nives refers to disqualifies him, at least in my opinion. I doubt the kind of person who would torture someone to death (accidentally?) for sexual pleasure would be the kind Nima or the Coalition wants as the Count (Or have I misinterpreted that part of the text?).
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He's into BDSM and he and his partner will be ostracized by the court if this was made public.

Another question entirely is if his partner was an entirely willing participant instead of being coerced into it by a noble of high status, but we don't know either way.

For all it's worth, I think it was consensual, but later broken off for the fear of scandal. Hyrem doesn't seem like a scummy enough person for anything else.

... I want a day to think. Problem with not endorsing anyone is that, okay, several problems:

The Coalition loses the opportunity to earn a favor of the winning candidate
It's an obvious political move that used impartiality to leave a backdoor for whichever candidate wins in the end, but that's like, eh
We don't know what the Republic will do, and depending on what they are planning, this can get us some bad results

Most obvious being that the daughter will endorse the Republic right off the bat if she wins
Still
Somehow her with Nylirah flirting and music discussions seem to bit of a smoke screen

We can always try reverse psychology and discourage the candidate we actually want to win, but that will piss of the candidate and the Count might still figure it out if we do it for someone he believes we'd actually support

And also it's a little morally wrong, maybe? Dunno.
 
Raiseth said:
He's into BDSM and he and his partner will be ostracized by the court if this was made public.

Another question entirely is if his partner was an entirely willing participant instead of being coerced into it by a noble of high status, but we don't know either way.

For all it's worth, I think it was consensual, but later broken off for the fear of scandal. Hyrem doesn't seem like a scummy enough person for anything else.
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Yeah I probably jumped the gun a bit. It's just that most of the time a noble and BDSM themes come up in books that I've read, it involves the noble being entirely sadistic and killing the other participant. It's probably just a quirk of my reading choices though. I don't generally read that much fantasy or historical fiction, and of the ones I have read, the aristocrats have mostly been the antagonists.
 
[X] Plan Fuck this Plan-et
-[X] Dulia, the daughter.
--[X] Try to use her ties to Nylirah to discredit her, or otherwise find ways to draw Count Nives away from her.
-[X] Hali, the bureaucrat.
--[X] [Hali] Support her candidacy and try to show that this is so as to win favor.
-[X] Hyrem, the noble.
--[X] Try to find something, anything, to discredit him in the eyes of others, and if nothing is available, still try to argue against him.
-[X] Axia, thesoldier.
--[X] Investigate into her connection with the guards, in an attempt to turn something up to discredit her, or worse. And if not, still oppose her candidacy.
More or less going all in on the only remotely decent candidate.
 
[X] Plan Kriff Dulia
-[X] Dulia, the daughter.
--[X] Try to use her ties to Nylirah to discredit her, or otherwise find ways to draw Count Nives away from her.
-[X] Hali, the bureaucrat.
--[X] [Hali] Keep neutral on her candidacy.
-[X] Hyrem, the noble.
--[X] Keep neutral on his candidacy.
-[X] Axia, the soldier.
--[X] [Axia] Keep neutral on her candidacy.

I don't know about the other three yet, but I don't want Dulia being the next one. She has left a bad impression one me and comes off as a genuinely bad person who I don't want in a position of power.
 
Oshha said:
[X] Plan Kriff Dulia
-[X] Dulia, the daughter.
--[X] Try to use her ties to Nylirah to discredit her, or otherwise find ways to draw Count Nives away from her.
-[X] Hali, the bureaucrat.
--[X] [Hali] Keep neutral on her candidacy.
-[X] Hyrem, the noble.
--[X] Keep neutral on his candidacy.
-[X] Axia, the soldier.
--[X] [Axia] Keep neutral on her candidacy.

I don't know about the other three yet, but I don't want Dulia being the next one. She has left a bad impression one me and comes off as a genuinely bad person who I don't want in a position of power.
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Oh? I'm curious why. I'm not disagreeing with you (after all I wrote Dulia), just wondering if you could explicate what, like, most worries you?
 
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The Laurent said:
Oh? I'm curious why. I'm not disagreeing with you (after all I wrote Dulia), just wondering if you could explicate what, like, most worries you?
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Mainly stuff like this.
The Laurent said:
Nima startled at that, but Dulia kept on talking. "I've only known her a few hours, but I'd watch a holovid show about her life. I'm pretty sure she's 'evil' or something as you'll assure me, but really, can anyone be that bad with such a good taste in music?"
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The Laurent said:
"It becomes more pressing, and so does the juice, no? Did you like the three-fruit juice, the one with the bit of spice to it? It does go right through you, admittedly," Dulia said with a smirk. "It seems to be doing so for you as well, I bet. You're not moving at all, as if you're trying that hard not to squirm. Come on, I'll still be here when you get back. And perhaps Nylirah will be as well, and we can all talk about our friendship!"

"No, thank you," Nima said, and then she added. "When we last met, she tried to murder me as part of a plot to kidnap thousands upon thousands and enslave them."

"Right, right. I know she's terrible, but have you ever considered her perspective?" Dulia asked. "She's destructive, terrible, and oh so interesting."
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Dulia comes off as selfish enough to ignore the outright evil that Nylirah has committed because she personally finds her to be interesting. She comes off as just not caring about the attempted atrocities that Nylirah holds some responsibility for because she enjoys Nylirah's company. Like "Oh, sure she has tried to enslave tens of thousands of innocent people, but I like her taste in music so surely that even things out".

While the fact that this makes her an ideal puppet for the Sith, I consider worst aspect that Dulia seems to be a bad person who shouldn't be in a position of power over others because I feel that she will abuse said power sooner or later.

Otherwise, I don't like who she seems to be treating all of this as a game where she expects both Nima and Nylirah to be competing for her political support and as a result, Dulia comes off as being manipulative of Nima due to this way of thinking. This could just be her upbringing or ignorance of a world outside of politics or something like that, but after how Dulia just seems to not care about the evil that Nylirah gets up to because she personally isn't affected by it leaves me not feeling charitable of her.

All in all, I don't think someone of Dulia's character should be the one who rises to power. I see her and Hyrem as being two different examples of a politician/noble with Dulia being the bad or at least bad-ish example of one while Hyrem is a good or at least good-ish example of one.

Edit: I don't think any of the other three would be a bad choice even if I am unsure of which one is the best choice or if any of them would be good choices, but I do feel confident in stating that Dulia is a bad choice so going anti-Dulia whilst remaining ambivalent on the rest because that is how I feel about them.
 
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Oshha said:
Mainly stuff like this.


Dulia comes off as selfish enough to ignore the outright evil that Nylirah has committed because she personally finds her to be interesting. She comes off as just not caring about the attempted atrocities that Nylirah holds some responsibility for because she enjoys Nylirah's company. Like "Oh, sure she has tried to enslave tens of thousands of innocent people, but I like her taste in music so surely that even things out".

While the fact that this makes her an ideal puppet for the Sith, I consider worst aspect that Dulia seems to be a bad person who shouldn't be in a position of power over others because I feel that she will abuse said power sooner or later.

Otherwise, I don't like who she seems to be treating all of this as a game where she expects both Nima and Nylirah to be competing for her political support and as a result, Dulia comes off as being manipulative of Nima due to this way of thinking. This could just be her upbringing or ignorance of a world outside of politics or something like that, but after how Dulia just seems to not care about the evil that Nylirah gets up to because she personally isn't affected by it leaves me not feeling charitable of her.

All in all, I don't think someone of Dulia's character should be the one who rises to power. I see her and Hyrem as being two different examples of a politician/noble with Dulia being the bad or at least bad-ish example of one while Hyrem is a good or at least good-ish example of one.
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Hmm, this is mostly true analysis, though Dulia also openly disclaims the idea of holding the kind of power her father does in favor of living it up. In other words, she wants to become a symbolic parasitic Count (which is what they used to be) instead of the, uh, powerful political ruler her father has effectively become.
 
The Laurent said:
Hmm, this is mostly true analysis, though Dulia also openly disclaims the idea of holding the kind of power her father does in favor of living it up. In other words, she wants to become a symbolic parasitic Count (which is what they used to be) instead of the, uh, powerful political ruler her father has effectively become.
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True, but that just brings me back to her willingness to ignore the evil of the Sith if she personally likes them making her an ideal puppet for them. I'm worried that her becoming a figurehead will result in the Sith calling the shots rather than the local leaders because Dulia won't care if the Sith subvert her planet's political processes to do whatever so long as she doesn't personally suffer for it.

Edit: Normally I would consider this sort of attitude to be a good thing, but with the Sith involved, I can't shake the feeling that Dulia will end up as a Sith puppet if she wins because she won't care enough to avoid the outcome or even consider said outcome to be a bad thing.
 
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Or even a best case scenario leaving her planet to be run into the ground by all the other parasites. The sudden collapse of the defacto authority without any real replacement doesn't bode well for stability.
 
Deuterium Dawn said:
Or even a best case scenario leaving her planet to be run into the ground by all the other parasites. The sudden collapse of the defacto authority without any real replacement doesn't bode well for stability.
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I don't know. That sort of scenario could just be conceding power back to a democratically elected prime minister or parliament, but I can't remember enough about the planet to know if that is that is the case or not. I sort of forget that a powerful monarch like the current one is the exception rather than the rule.
 
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