Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
And lets not forget this is a crossover and assuming the same beats as Ben 10 normal, Vilgax is right behind the omnitrix.
Gonna need to get combat capable sooner than I thought.
Habstab
HabStab
- Location
- Richmond, MO
Ben doesn't usually think that far ahead, but, yes, they can stick around. It's just that... well, the only time Ben ever actually uses his smartest forms to make anything that he wants to permanently us is, if memory serves, an upgrade to the Omnitrix in one possible future timeline which allowed him to "combine" two of his different forms.
Yep. For those who don't know, there should be a giant robot crashing down near us... soonish. While Gray Matter, I believe, can beat it by sneaking inside of it and pulling out some of it's wiring (or, if want Talor to try this, reprograming it to serve us instead), that's... well, that is incredibly risky as it requires us to not get stepped on or noticed by it first.
Lunaryon
Dual Aurora Wave
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- She/Her
Most of the time that Ben ends up using Gray Matter he's rewiring and sabotaging alien tech instead of building much, but in his first focus episode A Small Problem, Gray Matter was able to build a bomb nearly instantly (discounting for time collecting the random bits of alien tech and putting the pieces together)
Silvereagle21
Soaring through the Sky
- Location
- United States
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- He/Him/His
[X] [Dial] Round Head
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
Good good. Priority number 1 (tech wise) then, find some way of hiding the Omnitrix. Cloaking device or whatever, since at the moment it likely screams tinker tech not "weird ass watch" as it did in the original 10.
And requires her not having a panic attack.
Also the risk of taking too long to down it is that it goes on a rampage near the camp, or worse through the camp. Setting aside the likely casualties which may well exacerbate depressed, assuming we don't have Dragon heading our way already, that's likely going to get Taylor detected.
Point is if we assume there's going to be a combat encounter, there's a lot to be said for choosing brawn over immediate brains. Of course, that being said, if we're assuming a robot, then an electric super smart crab is probably a pretty good bet and IMO mid point.
@Lunaryon
1. Quick thing, clearly prowess as normal Taylor carries over to alien forms, but is this the same for aliens that enhance certain stats that are not as straight forwards? To use the obvious one, Taylor's highest stat is int, if she goes Grey Matter does she get her natural int + whatever boost Grey Matter gives. Course this maybe something that goes into the "experiment and find out" category, but figured I may as well ask.
2. Actually nother thing can you give us an idea of stat scale? For example Taylor has a base int of 11, by human standards how good is that, for a 14 year old?
Which I recall being very freaked out with as a child. Bombs are no joke and there's a reason we're semi salivating at the opportunities on display, especially having a form that can act as a manufacturing centre.
We do have a hole in the roster though, as we're lacking a dedicated tank as far as I can tell. 4 Arms or Diamond Head kinda thing. Gutrot will do, but issues of collateral damage abound and it apparently has pretty poor reflexes. While I'm sure we can accept being beat on while prepping a burst of knock out gas, I think a dedicated general combatant is needed.
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Lunaryon
Dual Aurora Wave
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- She/Her
I'm currently experimenting with the specifics of how those will work, specifically for Gray Matter and Brainstorm, given the sheer level of intellect they are supposed to be showing off. At the moment my best thought is giving a base bonus and then a multiplier to the stat...
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Cheers, pologies edited it in after the fact but,
1. Other thing can you give us an idea of stat scale? For example Taylor has a base int of 11, by human standards how good is that, for a 14 year old?
Though as a thing the sheer scale of intellect on display makes me glad the omnitrix aliens are meant to be more the platonic ideal of those species and not examples of the average.
Lunaryon
Dual Aurora Wave
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So for scaling, 8 in any stat is considered 50% percentile, completely and totally average.
12 is the point where you should be able to make a living using that attribute alone - Being a Demagogue or surviving by being able to convince people to donate to you by words alone for Diplomacy, or being strong enough to work construction or other low training entry jobs for Martial.
16 is the point where you can be considered an Olympian, and 20 is Peak human, essentially Captain America - for Prowess that is a lifting strength of 1.2 tons, I believe... going to have to check the world record again.
Following that point the logarithmic set of the scale starts to become a little more obvious, with a Prowess of 28 being able to lift 14 tons (Glory Girl has a Prowess of 28)
12 is the point where you should be able to make a living using that attribute alone - Being a Demagogue or surviving by being able to convince people to donate to you by words alone for Diplomacy, or being strong enough to work construction or other low training entry jobs for Martial.
16 is the point where you can be considered an Olympian, and 20 is Peak human, essentially Captain America - for Prowess that is a lifting strength of 1.2 tons, I believe... going to have to check the world record again.
Following that point the logarithmic set of the scale starts to become a little more obvious, with a Prowess of 28 being able to lift 14 tons (Glory Girl has a Prowess of 28)
Zakara
Semi-Found Cat
- Location
- Chaldea, Bleached Airspace
I'll add that Pesky Dust is practically a galactic boogeyman. Fucking Khyber, Greatest Hunter in the Galaxy, took one look at it, and started begging Ben to stay away from him. There are evidently close to zero outright counters for the sleep dust other than avoiding getting hit.
Zs'Skayr was so disoriented by his new state of existence within the Omnitrix, he had an adjustment period of roughly a month or two to begin taking over Ghostfreak's drivers wheel. Not sure if frequent use of the form expedites that countdown, or if it's a hard recovery period. Also, he's still subject to the rules during a takeover, so the Omnitrix timing out will end his joyride. If he gets far enough though, the time out will just eject Taylor from his form and then he's out for real.
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Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
So Taylor at 14 is almost able to make a living just off of her smarts...on the other hand she's got noodle limbs going on.
Apparently, the record was set by Paul Anderson at 2840 KG, but it was done before he went professional so they're not 100% sure if it happened, although he does have well attested feats of strength as well.
Paul Anderson (weightlifter) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Current Guinness record is apparently 5,340lbs.
Interestingly I was just looking this up, but while it has never been show and has just been stated as WOG (so may not be canon) its dust works even on Alien X Alien X
The only species that is immune is ironically one we also have Rotgut.
Zakara
Semi-Found Cat
- Location
- Chaldea, Bleached Airspace
Now that I think about it, would the Omnitrix try to scan him if Taylor got close? Zion doesn't really have conventional DNA, but the watch can scan in living energy beings.Hit Scion with it, then give them dreams to teach empathy when?
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Perhaps some forms granting a feat? Like maybe for a possible example: Diamond head being near unbreakable except against Sonic attacks? Been awhile since I saw the show not certain of the specific abilities a form can and cannot do.
Hit Scion with it, then give them dreams to teach empathy when?
I don't think we can? Not only that Scion is crystal-mechanical whatever as in a robot, the Golden Boy is just a projection with it's real body a full dimension away from us. No biological body to infect with Sleep Dust and Alien DNA to analyze in Earth Bet.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
If alien X is anything to go by, that seemingly doesn't matter.
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- She/Her
For the effective time stop feat, it comes from when Ben was messing with a baseball game, in The Unnaturals. He ran up to the ball as XLR8 while time was stopped, grabbed it, and then moved away as a blur while time was still stopped, making him faster than base time stopping. He also tied someone's shoelaces together, while still not being seen, implying he moved fast enough that he was able to stop, tie someone's shoe laces together, and leave, all without being seen.
I mean in Earth Bet. That thing flying around saving kittens from trees are only humanoid shaped energy. It's real body is not anywhere near where Omnitrix can scan.
Paleb05
A Believer of Optimism in the World
- Location
- Pennsylvania
This is a Worm/Ben 10 Quest, so no quoting Doom.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
- Location
- Dancing on wires!
I seem to recall a time he was fast enough to take those two bullies of his and hang them up by their undies on a roof or something with XLR8 also while too fast to spot. But yes, point is very fast, but I'm going to assume we're not going to be that fast.
Still likely going to be a main stay for a very long time with good reason.