Er my point is that the canon reasons are unlikely to be those in the sim? As in once the students are sent in things will change from the script of history, and even a political wizard would find the goal of achieving freedom for the Faunus to be difficult in the current times.
Yes, but we've been told Penny has terrible charisma, and presumably diplomacy as well. So it does not play to Penny's strengths especially as cutthroat business seems espionage/guile heavy.
They're likely a clan of none blood related individuals who've come together for the sake of self protection from all legal, or illegal retribution directed their way after a century of low level conflict they've been paid well to conduct.
When one side has a massive treasury to pay a premium for deniable assets, and the other considers them outlaws who evade the consequences of their actions. Also when people follow the money to jobs that pay well after a century of low level conflict, and aren't overly concerned about the legality of their actions.
Like they're almost certainly pay extremely well, and when the alternative is your settlement has fewer resources against the Grimm... selective pressure weeds out this with a particularly strong moral objection as they go find a different line of work someplace else. Well for those who can make the journey safely, not get caught by the law, and well anyone else who just pressumes who takes issue with the line of work they might've been born into, or even their leader who wants to keep an iron grip on his/her assets.
There is no requirement much less a guaranteed that SB changes them for the better, and I'd expect soldiers of fortune to have a rather abysmal reputation on the eve of a great war after a century of tensions building up to it due to them being viewed as part of the problem.
...I feel like we are both talking over each other on this part.
It is my belief that the Great War is already starting soon, for the canon reasons which none of the options can change.
You believe, the players are going to be inserted in before that, long enough, that their presence may cause a change in what causes it.
Kind of why I voted for it, in the first place.
...Not really sure where you are getting the century figure on, and this is all based on the idea that your theory is correct.
But if it is. I suppose it would explain how the opening exists, with a bandit history.
This implies that the Bandits could be heavily connected, despite that going against what the name implies.
But even so, when I think of Bandits, I think of Raven, the only canonical example, we have. An example that very much goes against this idea. Could it not be that the Bandits are just very good at stealth? And making their way in the wild.
They have an entire continent to hide in. To strike, before they leave. This is before the CCT.
The kingdoms of Mistral and Vale, which exist on two different Continents. Animus and Sanus. The Bandits would have to travel to another continent altogether to enter conflict with Vale settlements, if paid. Before returning home. A two way, long journey.
Unless the tribe is strong enough, that they can send splinter groups, and have a hope of success.
But the fact they have a secret base implies, that they stick around one place long enough, to need it.
Pretty much.
Fair enough, but it seems like it might make for a miserable quest if the dice hate Penny, or just give average results.
That is actually from canon world of remnants on the topic, but it technically calls it a century of tension, and I'm just inferring that they have a history of working with Mistral on shady jobs otherwise they wouldn't have them as benefactors in the first place.
These are different circumstances as humans have populated a large chink of the continent, and there are plenty of minor disagreements people want to end violently in a way that can't be tied back to the kingdoms.
The Raven comparison does not work very well as someone is not only aware of their existence, but has sufficient influence over their leadership to dictate succession.
The area in conflict is likely among settlements in eastern Saunus that the king of vale allowed Mistral to settle despite protests of his people. Although that might be just settlements like the fishing village, and the settlements are actually rather widespread.
More like it implies they're successful enough to support it, and need it to protect their none combatants from reprisal imo.
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
- Location
- In the fridge
[X] A Shield for the Innocent
Not gonna lie I just want to fight the other thread.
Not gonna lie I just want to fight the other thread.
Okay! These are the three questions of SB. Maybe us, if our combined brain cells can't come up with three more.
SB, Three OOC Questions
1) Are paragon rituals still a thing?
2) Are the Titans/Mad Gods from last quest around?
3) Do Ruby/Jaune/Cinder still have their blood of X traits?
From what I saw, in previous pages.
SV, Potential OOC Questions
1) Is this quest going to be closer to Lords Among the Ashes or to Canon?
2) What traits can Penny gain over the course of the quest?
3) What are the routes for acquiring aforementioned traits?
All three seem a bit too general, so any suggestions?
SB, Three OOC Questions
1) Are paragon rituals still a thing?
2) Are the Titans/Mad Gods from last quest around?
3) Do Ruby/Jaune/Cinder still have their blood of X traits?
From what I saw, in previous pages.
SV, Potential OOC Questions
1) Is this quest going to be closer to Lords Among the Ashes or to Canon?
2) What traits can Penny gain over the course of the quest?
3) What are the routes for acquiring aforementioned traits?
All three seem a bit too general, so any suggestions?
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Busy right now, but for the third one was meant to learn the conditions for unlocking them. So if you think it is too general something along the lines of "What are the conditions for unlocking aforementioned traits?".
For the first one I'd say something along the lines of "What are the routes for Penny meeting the current incarnation of Ozpin" seems a bit more interesting imo.
It's general, due to the system being based on modified CK2. In other words, most characters can gain most traits given enough time, and events.
1. Perhaps a more focused question, that could work, would be...what is Penny's Semblance? And how to unlock/upgrade it? Assuming it functions as a trait, like in the previous quests. Canon Penny has not unlocked it yet.
2. Following implied canon, Ozpin's current incarnation is the King of Vale. So that should be simple enough.
3. We could also maybe ask, if any players were also summoned nearby, for possible alliances?
Yes, but based upon the fact that nobody starts with any traits my read is that traits are the goodies scattered around to encourage players to take risks, and knowledge on what is on the table is rather useful for planning things out.
1. This is basically wasting a question as barring the formatting massively changing the option format we'll either have options to train, and/or work toward unlocking it.
2. Yes, but the issue is he is like multiple tiers of management above Penny, and thus some direction on how to gain his attention in a positive manner would be helpful. Also it would give direction to the goals of players beyond a vague desire to have Penny grow stronger.
3. This is information that should be relatively easy to attain IC for at least those on the Vale side if that benefactor wins.
[X] A Shield for the Innocent
And you don't think asking about all the traits, Penny could gain, is too general? Much less asking the requirements for all of them?
Even if it was answered, which I highly doubt, that takes away a lot of the fun of things.
1. Fair enough.
2. I don't think asking a question about how to meet the King would be useful either. Other than in general, just getting more important, until you get high enough to make an impression on him. Which is kind of redundant, since we'd be working to improve our settlement, regardless.
And from what it looks like, have the attention of the government already, if they are setting us up here.
SB is currently coming up with backup questions.
SB or SV Three OOC Questions
1) Are paragon rituals still a thing?
2) Are the Titans/Mad Gods from last quest around?
3) Do Ruby/Jaune/Cinder still have their blood of X traits?
Current SB, Three Backup Questions
1. Is the Salem from this quest closer to the one from the last quest or canon?
2. Where are the most talented individuals near our base such as players located?
3. Is it possible to reform our bandits and to potentially start our own kingdom?
- Location
- Back in Cali
If you want trait questions then just limit it to the early or immediately available traits Penny could gain. Since most of the greater traits would either be Upgrades or would require much greater perquisites to get.
Nope as the entire point is to acquire ooc information we wouldn't otherwise be able know about period. Like I suppose one might add a none exhaustive close to it, but that isn't something that really needs to be made explicit.
Sigh. What is the point of giving the questions if they're refused to answer? Like as noted above I'd expect the scope of the answer to be within reason, but I disagree about it taking the fun out as it is hard to have fun with something you aren't even aware is exists. Also awareness of the existence of such a reward is rather useful if it says requires character in a consistent manner.
3) I'd like to point pit the blood trait question was already answered on discord when I asked about traits.
Anyways I suppose I'll go formally write up my three proposes ooc questions for SV.
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
- Location
- In the fridge
I tracked down what you asked on discord and it wasn't.
Er we were told they "sort of exist, but nobody starts with any" though? Like in order for a bloodline trait to exist we'd need to start with it unless retroactively earning a trait equivalent is a thing we're doing again.
Sir LagsAlot
Yandere Dice Magnet
- Location
- In the fridge
Jaune didn't start with his blood of war trait last quest either I made sure to double back and check the original quest on that.
@Iandude0 We uh haven't actually voted on any yet. So you might want to give people time to talk about it grumbles.
Anyways my proposes questions.
SV OOC Questions Proposals
1) Filtered by relevance to Penny what traits, or the spiritual successor's equivalent to them are we able to acquire in this quest?(Not looking for an exhaustive list to be clear)
2) What are the conditions for earning aforementioned traits?
3) How will training stats Penny does not start proficient in work in this quest?
Alright so the first two are about seeing what options might be rewarded for pursuing in the lead up, and/or during the Great War IC.
The third question is rather boring, but seems like it'll generate useful information.
Anyways my proposes questions.
SV OOC Questions Proposals
1) Filtered by relevance to Penny what traits, or the spiritual successor's equivalent to them are we able to acquire in this quest?(Not looking for an exhaustive list to be clear)
2) What are the conditions for earning aforementioned traits?
3) How will training stats Penny does not start proficient in work in this quest?
Alright so the first two are about seeing what options might be rewarded for pursuing in the lead up, and/or during the Great War IC.
The third question is rather boring, but seems like it'll generate useful information.
Er as I mentioned
Yet the question asks if we're starting with it per.
Probably due to an inability to have a fundamental agreement on what counts as too general or not.
Regardless, since I doubt I'll be able to change your mind. I'm fine with those three. Everyone else?
Alright so from discord I bring answers.
SB questions
1) Are paragon rituals still a thing? Yes, but not the same.
2) Are the Titans/Mad Gods from last quest around? No, for all intents and purposes.
3) Do Ruby/Jaune/Cinder still have or be able to develop their blood of X traits? Nope. Having matured as a writer, bloodlines are dumb yo.
Chronobreak
Chara Appreciator
- Location
- Chicago
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Plan Imperial Merchant Lord