Refinement of Place is a good idea and I am open to backing it in the future. Potentially the immediate future depending on circumstances. You know what another good plan is though?
Get ADS. Find a Mage. Kill them. Get Philosopher's Wreath for Edeldross. The original plan for outscaling Ber involved Silver of Evening -> Threefold -> All-Defeating Stance. The common traits those had were ginormous amounts of stats and magic defense. We can get a lot of stats out of Philosopher's Wreath and jailbreak Edeldross from the shackles of the ring of hunger.
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Attempting to Quantify the Ring of Hunger and what it does for us
Our Learning Speed is roughly mortal tier.
What did Hunger do when he first awoke? Prioritize carefully. [ ] Finally Get in the Robot - Matters of the Decimator’s Affliction have been put off for too long. They must be addressed immediately. If Verschlengorge has the same Curse as you, does that mean Gisena and Letrizia are being...
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[ ] [Azure Moon] - 7 Arete. That which reigns resplendent once in a blue aeon. The wearer gains access to his true [Soul Evocation], [Imprisoner], and high-grade talent in its use. Powerful as this may be, recall that the use of Soul Evocations requires extensive technical study which will be difficult to perform under the constraints of Hunger. However the potential benefits are enormous enough that it may be worth pursuing even at a mortal's pace.
The Furthermost Reaches "Hm? Asking my opinion now? Consultations aren't free, you know," Gisena teased. He scoffed. "Riding on my back isn't free either." "Are you saying you didn't enjoy that?" She giggled. "Well, I think it's a wonderful creation! I'd love to study it. But my realm didn't...
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[ ] Learn to Pilot - As you are bound to the Ring Hunger, your learning speed outside battle is slightly worse than an average mortal's. The intricacies of the Armament are easy to learn, difficult to master, and many functions are incomplete or unavailable due to its state. Still, there is time enough for the fundamentals of movement.
Based on these quotes below, I'm treating Hunger as roughly a 1000% percent boost above our mortal tier baseline for growth via conflict with stakes.
It's much rarer compared to Cultivation stage boosts as well. ++Progression is far more powerful than you seem to think! For example, what if Hunger gave one hundred times the Experience rather than a mere ten times? Are the super buffs better than ++All Stats, ++Progression or a flat Rank...
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++Progression is far more powerful than you seem to think! For example, what if Hunger gave one hundred times the Experience rather than a mere ten times?
Grinding mooks is inherently a sign of fear, and not that useful for you anyway - with Hunger and Forebear's Blade + thread participation XP multiplier, you're getting between 15x and 27x the base Experience of each monster you kill, so you very quickly outlevel the point where a monster of a...
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Grinding mooks is inherently a sign of fear, and not that useful for you anyway - with Hunger and Forebear's Blade + thread participation XP multiplier, you're getting between 15x and 27x the base Experience of each monster you kill, so you very quickly outlevel the point where a monster of a given strength gives notable XP.
This is roughly a 1500% to 2700% boost assuming I understand things right.
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ADS/Philosopher's Wreath math for comparison
All Defeating Stance(+5 Int)/Philosopher's Wreath(+1 Int) raises our intelligence before buffs to 10. Here's the blurb for context.
[ ] Evening Sky - Philosopher's Wreath - 7 Arete (2 picks)
The twilight hours are a time of contemplation, growth of mind and spirit. Perhaps there are more things in earth and heaven than are dreamt of in one's philosophy. But that may not always be so.
They for whom the heavens themselves are aegis and raiment, these are the hours to speak - perchance to dream. And in dreaming, grow strong beyond the imagining of mortal men.
[+Intelligence, +Wisdom, +Charisma]
Select one magic system which you have personally encountered and which is no greater than the Noble Praxis. You may use that system to the limits of your Intelligence or applicable Attributes, developing any appropriate qualities within reason, but this may no more than double your overall advancement. Alternatively, you may improve an existing magic you possess under the same conditions, hastening your rate of advancement in that art by [Intelligence x 100%] and substantially increasing both the variety and the conceptual potency of effects available to it.
Allied mages with which the wearer dialogues extensively find they may develop novel applications of existing abilities and steadily grow in knowledge & power with effort, independent of their own paradigm. This can no more than triple their overall level of advancement, but any progression done on their own will raise this cap. Should said mage no longer be allied, the wearer may strip this power at will, like a dream dissolving at break of day.
Now Target it at Edeldross. Our base intelligence before punctured soul or any buffs is 10 so 1000% percent. Parity with the Ring of Hunger's Gifts.
Taking into account Punctured Soul...
our basic Edeldross intelligence multiplier is 1.45,
our advanced is either .9-.15 AKA 75% aka 1.75, or .45*1.5 AKA 67.5 percent AKA 1.675 depending on how precisely it's calculated
While Punctured Soul is in effect:
Basic Enhancement effective intelligence: 10*1.45 = 14.5 = 1450% Philosopher's Wreath boost
Advanced Enhancement effective intelligence(Pessimistic): 10*1.675 = 16.75 = 1675% Philosopher's Wreath boost in bursts.
Advanced Enhancement effective intelligence(Optimistic): 10*1.75 = 17.5 = 1750% Philosopher's Wreath boost in bursts
After Punctured Soul Lapses:
Basic Enhancement effective intelligence: 10*1.6 = 16 = 1600% Philosopher's Wreath boost
Advanced Enhancement effective intelligence: 10*1.9 = 19 = 1900% Philosopher's Wreath boost
Now take into account the PW Singularity technique.
For any lurkers who haven't seen the explanation before, it works like this. Edeldross provides an all stats buff that enhances our intelligence. Philosopher's Wreath applied to Edeldross accelerates our Edeldross training proportional to our intelligence, making our all stats buff make us better at training the magnitude of our all stats buff, giving some level of an intelligence explosion until we hit whatever the asymptote with this technique is.
Basically, researching graces attains parity with the gifts of the Ring of Hunger if we get ADS+PW.
Before we undergo the intelligence explosion. Depending on how PW and Hunger interact, the Edeldross gifts we get from conflict with stakes become even more ridiculous. 2450 - 2675 % Total development boost for additive. 14,500 - 16750% if by some unholy miracle it's multiplicative.
Before the singularity.
ADS is more than just a mage pick too. This is what All Stats Covers at minimum.
A Simple Transaction I Original
+Strength, +Con, +Agi
+Int, +Wits, +Wis
+Cha (+App), +Man
+Protection, +Luck, +Willpower
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There's other ridiculous bullshit if we get another shot at philosopher's wreath too. Like turning PW's power on
Aobaru's Advancement. You know. The guy with the Surgecraft element capable of elevating people, us included, along the infinite singularity husk.
In conclusion SURGEgang? You have nothing to lose but your chains.
