I feel like this is the same thinking that resulting in someone creating the Voyaging realm. Why rule a million worlds scattered across the universe when you can cram them all into one place?
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- Thread starter Rihaku
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I feel like this is the same thinking that resulting in someone creating the Voyaging realm. Why rule a million worlds scattered across the universe when you can cram them all into one place?
Tyrant_Rayne
Probably Not Evil… Maybe
- Location
- Canada
[X] Constitutional Design
[X] None
It's what Hunger would want to do.
[X] None
It's what Hunger would want to do.
From any Rihaku quest? Honestly, probably D&D wizardry. Considering merely average talent (as opposed to average for a Rihaku protagonist and peers) this has the best quality of life stuff around. I don't particularly have a use for biggatons in my daily life, after all. But prestidigitation, mage hand, lock, light, comprehend languages, Tenser's floating disc, feather fall, detect thoughts, locate object, charm person, all things I could find rather useful.
Unless there is one I'm not remembering that's actually decent at fixing serious long term health issues in other people, for people who are nothing special at using said magic. I would also find that extremely useful.
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- Omniverse #1345
We can always come back with a Constitution later! We only need the system we pick we last awhile, not forever. This government is going to be the work of 5 days. It's not a bad thing to need to come back when we have some more time and stats for it.
If it counts as a magic system D&D cleric is probably even better, given all the healing stuff.
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The world isn't made of institutions, or rules, or laws, it's made of people. Everything begins with people, everything is continued and fixed and upheld and improved by people, and everything ends when people decide it doesn't matter anymore.
Lots of modernists think that if you're just smart enough and clever enough you can create the perfect system, but that's not how the world works. You do that and you end up with Brazil's capitol Brasilia, which was a disaster you can read about in a number of places. Or you get Communism, which thought that the government could understand the economy well enough to plan for it and ended in collapse and genocide. Or you get any number of other plans and ideologies, all of which failed when they encountered the real world.
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face." "Man Plans, and God Laughs". That's how it works, in fights, in governments, in everything. You can't plan for everything. You especially can't plan for everything in the Voyaging realm, a place that loves to keep things interesting. There's no Jesus constitution that has all the answers because the right answers are different for every country, and they change for every generation, and no matter what you do there will still be winners and losers.
What you do instead is you find people who care, and then those people muddle along as best they can. If something doesn't work they change it and try something else. And sure, a flexible and well-written constitution is helpful for that process, but what's more important is that you have people who are able to adjust to changing circumstances and who are willing to actually serve the public good. Let them hash out a good constitution on their own later.
Seems more like someone wanted to make a new universe (possibly with blackjack and other such entertainments) but didn't want to bother with all the empty space the current one has.
Probably, but there hasn't been a D&D cleric Rihaku protagonist, that I am aware of, while he has run a game of an epic D&D wizard visiting Warhammer 40k.
Rihaku
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Interesting... could you expound on the nature of these 'other' entertainments?
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
- Location
- Earth
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- They
Depending completely on a bunch of individuals would also just result in them getting asssisinated because of Apo-chan. And, without powerful institutions fostering aligned values, once those individuals are gone, they will just be replaced by people who don't give an shit in the slightest about Hunger's values.
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- Location
- Omniverse #1345
We only need it to hold out long enough for us to have more than 5 days to draft up a better constitution.
I feel like as soon as we finish the tower some other plot point is going to come along that will force us into the human sphere or to another far place in the Voyaging Realm so if we're going to do this, we should do it right the first time.
A strong, fair constitution with appropriate checks and balances and basic human rights encoded within it will be much better for the Sovereignty, and it's not like the 5 day time table is that big of an issue as long as we offer up a good constitution. I'll write one up after work tmrw and hopefully that'll sway people lol.
A strong, fair constitution with appropriate checks and balances and basic human rights encoded within it will be much better for the Sovereignty, and it's not like the 5 day time table is that big of an issue as long as we offer up a good constitution. I'll write one up after work tmrw and hopefully that'll sway people lol.
I'm a simple man, I just need some simple biomancy to keep myself healthy, everything else is just a plus.
I'm likely too lazy for Praxis, Ordinalism seems to make everyone who does it unhappy, Diagram is actually pretty hard without countless millennia of research to rely on etc.
Cultivation seems more like my jam, I guess.
I'm likely too lazy for Praxis, Ordinalism seems to make everyone who does it unhappy, Diagram is actually pretty hard without countless millennia of research to rely on etc.
Cultivation seems more like my jam, I guess.
- Location
- The savanna.
[X] Finding Capable Administrators
[X] The Traditionalists
Sure would be nice to have another shot at Elixir, guys. What kind of weak-ass Sovereign doesn't even have a 25 Arete Surge? Aobaru's got more talent at the national magic than Hunger does, that shit can't stand. And apparently we're going all-in on heroism and ideals, so bring on the Fairbright bullshit.
[X] The Traditionalists
Sure would be nice to have another shot at Elixir, guys. What kind of weak-ass Sovereign doesn't even have a 25 Arete Surge? Aobaru's got more talent at the national magic than Hunger does, that shit can't stand. And apparently we're going all-in on heroism and ideals, so bring on the Fairbright bullshit.
Rihaku
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Hm... there is the possibility that Hunger could cut the travel time to the Walls of Myth by going alone (or carrying one person) instead of taking the whole party, which relies on Verschlengorge's travel speed. Especially now that he has 7.075 Effective Rank and high base Agility on top of +230% Agility from Silver and Aobaru.
Guess he'd have to take Aobaru for that to work, but it would give Gisena more time to set up the government here and perform Artifice in the meantime. Good synergy with the Traditionalists too, since favoring them would improve her Artifice crafting speed. She might just have another Artifact ready for Hunger when he gets back!
Such a sausage fest of an adventure...
Guess he'd have to take Aobaru for that to work, but it would give Gisena more time to set up the government here and perform Artifice in the meantime. Good synergy with the Traditionalists too, since favoring them would improve her Artifice crafting speed. She might just have another Artifact ready for Hunger when he gets back!
Such a sausage fest of an adventure...
I prefer to think of it as bonding with our latest and greatest (?) companion. Aobaru's protagonist powers are truly potent, though, if they can engineer such a circumstance to rack up all that delicious Hunger Favor. Might be worth it to check out the Walls or give us leeway in the otherwise tight Decimation timeline...
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
Hunger and Aobaru having brotime together and letting Gisena flourish in a resource-heavy place is an attractive idea. But would the time saved be worth the lack of Verschlengorge-induced fights? It's not like Hunger can't pick his own fights if he wants, I suppose.
Do we have a sense of what the cap from Blood healing him might be? I'd be reluctant to leave him if we thought we could boost him enough to be relevant. Especially since destroying a super-structure seems so perfectly suited to him. The dream of Temple smash at last realized against the Tower.
Rihaku
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There are two factors to the Blood healing limitation -
1) Those parts of his panoply which are unrelated to Blood (the modern tech / armor that's badly damaged and barely functional at this point, which the Sovereignty can only provide inferior civilian-level replacements for)
2) Those parts of his physiology which cannot be healed by Blood alone
The former is more of a hardcap, the latter more of a soft (as truly powerful levels of Blood might be able to force through some degree of regeneration, but with massive inefficiency) around Rank 7.75.
The baseline plan is to bring Versch, but if Hunger only takes himself and Aobaru (since Aobaru's buff more than compensates for the added weight), he could probably shave off around 4 days in transit. Still, to lose the security of Gisena's Nullity and the utility of Aeira's Shadowcord and Letrizia's Soup...
- Location
- UK
[X] Constitutional Design
The yellow of a risky ideal. Picking this would be chasing perfection. We need to be able to rule effectively for 50 years. Picking this now helps us later, but might not help the Sovereignty so much right now.
[ ] Finding Capable Administrators
The red of short term benefits that screw us over in the long term. In the long term the mis-aligned incentives will serve to corrupt well meaning bureaucrats as they attempt to out compete the those they judge genuinely corrupt. Their judgement is unlikely to be perfect leading them to inadvertently support the more corrupt at the expense of the less corrupt at least some of the time.
[ ] The Elementalists
The green of steady growth. This benefits us by supplying useful minions.
[ ] The Traditionalists
The blue of harsh truth. The ring of Azure isn't a fan of Elementalists apparently. Perhaps it views strengthening its wielder and reducing competition as the better outcome.
[ ] None
Oh look a short term benefit that leaves the Sovereignty to fail in the long term.
The yellow of a risky ideal. Picking this would be chasing perfection. We need to be able to rule effectively for 50 years. Picking this now helps us later, but might not help the Sovereignty so much right now.
[ ] Finding Capable Administrators
The red of short term benefits that screw us over in the long term. In the long term the mis-aligned incentives will serve to corrupt well meaning bureaucrats as they attempt to out compete the those they judge genuinely corrupt. Their judgement is unlikely to be perfect leading them to inadvertently support the more corrupt at the expense of the less corrupt at least some of the time.
[ ] The Elementalists
The green of steady growth. This benefits us by supplying useful minions.
[ ] The Traditionalists
The blue of harsh truth. The ring of Azure isn't a fan of Elementalists apparently. Perhaps it views strengthening its wielder and reducing competition as the better outcome.
[ ] None
Oh look a short term benefit that leaves the Sovereignty to fail in the long term.
On the other hand, we gain ability to go back to Sovereignty and say "Honey, I'm home!".
Projectile
Thinking of Rabbits
- Location
- USA
We should probably include a contingency for Hunger's death (or an extended period with no contact) in the constitution, even if we don't intend to die. We don't want a successor king, I think, so no heir. All royal powers default to... hm. Most royal powers go to the legislature, to decide what to do next? High potential to overturn the system of balances.
Or we could scratch that "no heir" thing and make Aeira queen, pfft.
Or we could scratch that "no heir" thing and make Aeira queen, pfft.