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Microwave MKII said:
[X] Be the Change
[X] The Tower Itself
[X] Feat: Crown

Tactical switch, not confident we can overcome the Change/Crown lead, so hoping to at least optimize the most popular options/Tower can catch up instead, since Walls+Change/Crown delays us the most

sigh, that aside, I thought Hunger didn't want this?
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You supporting Crown makes it even more unlikely that Crown's lead can be overcome though! Furthermore, the difference between Walls of Myth and The Tower Itself is larger then the difference between Be the Change and Intervention! If you want to avoid Walls+Change, the most tactical vote would be to vote for Intervention + Walls of Myth.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by BrainInAJar on Jul 28, 2020 at 6:10 PM, finished with 350 posts and 51 votes.
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Rings that we're aware of, color and concept:

Hunger, Crimson Ring, Ring of Blood (ASTI only)
Moon, Azure Ring, Ring of Artifice (ASTI & EFB)
???, Rose Ring, Ring of Majesty (EFB only, so far)
 
Microwave MKII said:
[X] Be the Change
[X] The Tower Itself
[X] Feat: Crown

Tactical switch, not confident we can overcome the Change/Crown lead, so hoping to at least optimize the most popular options/Tower can catch up instead, since Walls+Change/Crown delays us the most

sigh, that aside, I thought Hunger didn't want this?
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He wants what the people want. And what the people want... is King Hunger!
 
ImperatorV said:
You supporting Crown makes it even more unlikely that Crown's lead can be overcome though! Furthermore, the difference between Walls of Myth and The Tower Itself is larger then the difference between Be the Change and Intervention! If you want to avoid Walls+Change, the most tactical vote would be to vote for Intervention + Walls of Myth.
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That's not true anymore actually, check the vote tally. You should probably argue from another angle.
 
BrainInAJar said:
That's not true anymore actually, check the vote tally. You should probably argue from another angle.
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If she hadn't swapped it would still be true... Darn it Microwave, you killed Walls of Myth's lead!

Anyway, my earlier effortposts about Arete generation and risk-taking still apply. Crown is inherently riskier and Intervention + Walls is more guaranteed safety.
 
You know, I just realized that the fact that Hunger was a black iron band with red inlay, and the Ring of Might that Nameless could have summoned was unadorned red-gold, doesn't necessarily mean they're separate rings. The mere physical manifestation of the ring seems like it would be fluid, since the Ring of Might summoned by the High Hand of the Norn's diagram is just a manifestation, not an artifact truly crafted. Combined with the fact that we know from Moon that a ring can have multiple different domains and that which domain is primary depends on the ringbearer, I thought there was enough possibility that they were the same ring, so I went and color checked Hunger and Might, and wouldn't you guess it, they're exactly the same.

So I'm actually reasonably confident that, in addition to Blood and Essence, another one of Hunger's potential domains is Might.
 
Anyway, are we sure we want to enable Hunger's Tsundere tendencies here? Think how much Gisena would tease us about it! Intervention would still allow us to good while preserving Hunger's dignity! She already loses enough verbal spars, the poor sod, let's not add into his burden!
 
ImperatorV said:
Well, I suppose it's a good thing we don't have that particular domain then. Can you imagine how annoying the power corrupts effect would be?
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Only to a certain extent - as, unlike Nameless, Hunger has this;
Link to the Accursed provides comprehensive protection against mental and spiritual interference above the Allowable Threshold. Protection is rated 100% effective for intrusions of less than NaN strength and valid through NaN transfinite escalations of cardinality originating from continuums of less than NaN dimensions.
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Still going to be annoying, but merely annoying is all it is ever going to be. More than a fair price for that much power.

/I actually do not think that Hungering has any relation to Might. It is most likely just a coincidence.
 
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ImperatorV said:
You supporting Crown makes it even more unlikely that Crown's lead can be overcome though! Furthermore, the difference between Walls of Myth and The Tower Itself is larger then the difference between Be the Change and Intervention! If you want to avoid Walls+Change, the most tactical vote would be to vote for Intervention + Walls of Myth.
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Point taken, but from what I've seen in discussion, a good chunk of people are either quite committed to Crown/Change or are on markers, and I'm burnt out on production again due to the upcoming omake so I can't guarantee much more vote weight. Still, if you say so, I guess I can switch back:

[X] The Walls of Myth
[X] Intervention Mk. I
[X] Towards Stranglethorn
 
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Byzantine said:
Because you are counting crown + OAF rather than just crown, and the time difference will be enough we could easily die in the interim.
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Except we can get WDS if it ever comes to that, which it won't. Like, this argument is getting schizophrenic. If we need to accumulate lots of power, Crown+OaF is the best. If we need to get power asap, Crown+WDS is still good enough.

When is the best time to be greedy - when you are safe? Of course not. The very best time for greed is when you have relevant Stance to bail you out. Ignoring this amount of power, and make no mistake, that 0.5 will make astronomical difference(likely literally so, given what we know of High Rank), because DOOOOOOM is just silly.

On top of which we also fulfill Hunger's dream and open up new Trinity path. What's not to like?
 
Other Rings I'm reasonably confident exist, for various reasons

???, Tyrian Ring, Ring of Severity (I just remember that, back in EFB, Aurelia's sister Antimony had the Tyrian Ring)
???, Emerald Ring, Ring of Lore (likewise, this was the ring that Mourndiel had in EFB)
Sky, Cerulean Ring, Ring of Space
???, Ashen Ring, Ring of Death
???, Golden Ring, Ring of Grace
???, Midnight Ring, Ring of ???
???, Verdant Ring, Ring of ???
 
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Microwave MKII said:
Point taken, but from what I've seen in discussion, a good chunk of people are either quite committed to Crown/Change or are on markers, and I'm burnt out on production again due to the upcoming omake so I can't guarantee much more vote weight. Still, if you say so, I guess I can switch back:
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Naw, he was wrong, you should have checked the tally I posted. Now all you did was tie Intervention and Tower not even that, Towers is still ahead; while giving Walls a single vote lead. Your previous vote was better in terms of synergy.
 
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Prospalz said:
Only to a certain extent - as, unlike Nameless, Hunger has this;

Still going to be annoying, but merely annoying is all it is ever going to be. More than a fair price for that much power.

/I actually do not think that Hungering has any relation to Might. It is most likely just a coincidence.
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Nothing is ever a coincidence! And more seriously, I genuinely think that the Rings of Power are a common thread, and that the reappearance of the Azure Ring (including it being confirmed that it can be the Ring of Truth) indicates that there's a real possibility than the Crimson Ring may be the very same.
 
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Even if Be the Change only takes 3 or 4 updates that's still enough time to earn back the arete crown costs. 0.5 rank is a lot of rank. With natural rank gains slowing down dramatically it's looking like feats are going to be our only reliable source of substantial rank and Crown unlocks two more for the future.
 
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