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The Game of Crusading Thrones, Self-Insert Edition (GoT CK2)

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[X] When winter first begins to bite
and stones crack in the frosty night

-[X] Issue Command (Western Lords): Give a command to those under your command, spending gold and favors to ensure that they will do so without dragging their feet. Even with the best of wills, failure is still possible of course. Time: Varies. Cost: Varies. DC: Varies. Reward: Varies.
--[X] Establish Shipyards (Bear Island)

Military: (Choose 1) (+1 Free Action)
-[X] Build a Fleet (Torrhen's Square): Ironborn and slavers threaten your coasts, and you have gone long enough without a fleet. Order one of your vassals to begin constructing ships, and offer gold and workers to see it done. Time: 2 seasons. Cost: 3000 gold. DC: 45. Reward: A new fleet
-[X] Ironborn Raid: You don't have the ships to attack the Iron Islands, but there are Ironborn in much easier reach. Sending a small force through the Neck to launch attacks on parties of Ironborn will serve as a minor, probably insignificant distraction to Harren, but it could also allow you to capture some of these mysterious hulks or black armored warriors and gain some insight into the magics of the Drowned God…and they could have a more mundane use as well. Time: 1 season. Cost: 100 gold, Ironborn attention. DC: 50/80. Reward: Ironborn killed/captured. Bonus to Strange Magics, bonus to Deceptive Attack.

Diplomacy: (Choose 2)
-[X] Matters of Trade: Some of the other peoples of the world are amenable to trading with you at least. Northern steel and wool crosses the Narrow Sea and travels southward, and food and salt and fine goods from Essos and Westeros come north. House Manderly has grown fat off this trade and your coffers benefit as well. Formalizing your relationships with your trading partners and ensuring dockyard inspectors are not being…problematic will strengthen the flow, although you suspect for the moment value is leaving the north rather than coming to it – wool returns as cloth and fine tapestries, timber as furniture. Only steel and silver and copper and gold arrives in a form less valuable then it leaves. Time: 2 seasons. Cost: 200 gold. DC: 40/80. Reward: Formalized, normalized trade agreements. Increase to trade/ Favorable trade agreements. Substantial increase to trade.
-[X] Speak to Pyrite: The Rite in the Vale is something of a concern, as is the sudden presence of beastmen and House Upcliff. While your relationship with the Vale is generally fairly good, it is not good enough to get the sort of information you need by going through Queen Sharra, so you must speak to Pyrite, who is still loyal to you in many ways. Even though he has been reluctant to broach many of these subjects in detail, if you ask he will surely tell you, right? Time: 1 season. Cost: 20 gold. DC: 70. Reward: Partial information about the Vale ritual, Lord Upcliff, and the beastmen.

Stewardship: (Choose 2)
-[X] Building on Gifts: Many Gifts are useful for construction. While some might claim it blasphemy to use the blessings of the Old Gods for something so mundane, you think that improving the lives of your subjects is hardly mundane. Shapers would be the most useful for this…hire some from across the North to assists you in building projects. Hopefully, stone shapers can work with concrete, it would be less useful otherwise. Time: 2 seasons. Cost: 300 gold. DC: 50. Reward: Decreased cost for building projects.
-[X] Water and Steel: Construct waterwheels by the Royal Forges, and link them to enormous hammers, allowing the metal to be beaten with greater force and more regularity than is humanly possible. Most likely the main use will be for helping to process ore for the smelters and for producing more wrought iron. It will not revolutionize smithing, but it will make iron cheaper and increase the amount of good quality metal in the North, and neither is a bad thing. Time: 2 seasons. Cost: 200 gold. DC: 30. Reward: Increase to trade income, increase to farming income.

Learning: (Choose 2)
-[X] What about Wind?: Water can be harnessed in a variety of ways, but wind has power too. Could it be harnessed to spin millstones or saw trees into usable lumber? It will be a difficult process, but between a couple of theories discussed in some of the newly copied books and the aid of the acolytes, Maester Brynden thinks he has good odds of developing something useful. Time: 3 seasons. Cost: 600 gold. DC: 60. Reward: Windmills. New actions unlocked
-[X] Search for Prophecies: Greensight allows for men to see glimpses of the future, even if they are strange visions that are notoriously difficult to interpret. Many of the books in the library were not fully read through, just studied enough to organize the library somewhat, so it's entirely possible prophecies could have been written down in some of the older books and then copied into the newer ones. Searching through every book would take some time, but a real prophecy would be an invaluable aid in dealing with the dragonlords. Time: 3 seasons. Cost: 25 gold. DC: 30/60/90. Reward: Prophecy found.

Piety: (Choose 1)
-[X] Blood of the Bear: House Mormont were never kings, and they have been conquered many times. Umber blood runs in their veins, as does the salty blood of Ironborn. Nevertheless, they have their own gift. Some could call bears to their side, some could become them. Have Frost try and awaken this in Lyanna Mormont. Time: 1 season. Cost: 150 gold. DC: 55. Reward: The Gift of the Bear-kin reawakens in Lyanna Mormont.

Intrigue: (Choose 2)
-[X] Further Afield (The Reach): You have ways of hearing what happens in the immediate south, but now you find yourself concerned with what's happening even further away. Pick a kingdom or nation and let Snow get to work. Time: 2 seasons. Cost: 100 gold. DC: Varies. Reward: Rumor mill for the chosen location.
-[X] Make a Prophecy (The Wolf and the Dragon*): Why find a prophecy when you can just take some parchment, stain it so it looks old, and then write down whatever nonsense you want? Whether to persuade the dragonlords to go to Essos or to suggest that they should tread carefully around the direwolf, make up a prophecy and pass it off as the real thing to Aegon and his sisters, hopefully convincing them that whatever you wrote is real. Or at least that you were fooled by the "prophecy" too. Fortunately, given the way Rhaenys talked, it shouldn't take too much to persuade her of its veracity. She seemed quite obsessed with them. Time: 2 season. Cost: 100 gold. DC: 65. Reward: Fake prophecy about chosen topic.
--[X] Doubledown

Personal: (Choose 2)
-[X] Uplift (Anti-Fouling Sheathing): You recall an invention or system, and try to figure out how it worked well enough that someone else can make it a reality. Time: 1 season. Cost: 0. DC: Varies. Reward: New action unlocked
-[X] Train Your Children (Diplomacy): You have been making your sons go to lessons like green boys. Now it is time to teach them like men. Have them learn by shadowing you, by leading their own projects, and by discussion. You'll probably rely a lot on history for those discussions, ones you remember having with your own father as he taught you the arts of persuasion and deception. You will have to decide what to focus on teaching your sons of course. Time: 3 seasons. Cost: 0. DC: 55. Reward: Eddard's and Edwyle's stats improve, chance of trait, chance of your stats improving.

Cost: approx. 5550 gold

Burns through a chunk of treasury, but the bulk of that cost is in the new fleet. I included the anti-fouling measures previously suggested (seems a great time when we're starting one fleet and building another shipyard). I think if we go for getting some Ironborn armor this turn (and hopefully some intel) we can try the Intrigue action of attacking the Westerlands in a round or two. With regard to the other actions, I'm happy to talk through any questions or concerns that might be had.

If having this false prophecy already composed interests you, @notbirdofprey -- I fiddled with some Yeats for a suitably "fuck this up and everything's doomed" message for the Targs
Eight on a table, eight equal and proud
Balanced together, but disunited are easily felled.
Join and we may stand equal, speaks out the wolf,
Knowing when the snows fall and the white wind blows,
The loner dies, but the pack survives -- together, or not at all.
Kneel and you may cower below, the dragon roars,
Heedless of the balance he throws;
The dragon knows only fire and blood, and foolishly fears not man nor cold.
The dragon tries to move to the centre to climb above,
And in crushing the others, tips the table o'er.

Burning and burning in the river-swept fields
The dragon cannot hear the cry of the wolf;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-chilled tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of frigid intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Long Night is at hand.
The Long Night! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of darkest nightmare
Troubles my sight: somewhere in snows beyond walls
Armies with frozen bodies and the faces of no man,
Gazes blank and pitiless as the ice,
Are moving in slow fall, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant midnight birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That hundred centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards the land of Men to be born?
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YESSSSSSSSS
FINALLY A PROPER FLEET AND PLATING
I personally felt that Deepwood Motte would be a better location for our first and likely primary western shipyard than Torrhen's Square, but that's a minor quibble. We also lack intel on the Iron Islands (canonically, Vickon Greyjoy was ready to dump Harren, if we find that out we could exploit it) but a fleet is important regardless.
[X] When winter first begins to bite
and stones crack in the frosty night
 
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Genolution said:
YESSSSSSSSS
FINALLY A PROPER FLEET AND PLATING
I personally felt that Deepwood Motte would be a better location for our first and likely primary western shipyard than Torrhen's Square, but that's a minor quibble. We also lack intel on the Iron Islands (canonically, Vickon Greyjoy was ready to dump Harren, if we find that out we could exploit it) but a fleet is important regardless.
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In a vacuum Deepwood Motte probably would be. But Torrhen's Square has the advantage of being much more difficult for the Ironborn to raid, and a nice large space for sailors to drill without being easily seen/spied upon. The idea is still, somewhat, that raiders/spies will see the efforts at Bear Island and just lose their shit laughing -- "they start building a shipyard after they've started building ships. and those "ships"? they've never built anything bigger than a fishing boat and praise be to the Drowned God, it shows, bwahahahahahahahah" -- while the other fleet is raised and trained in secret so they're caught totally off-guard when it sails out.
 
Thought I'd try my hand at writing a prophecy having just read that awesome one.

Omake - A prophecy of things to come

There shall be the Three-Headed dragon
Who's will knoweth no bounds
Who for a time all shall bow and all gold will Glitter in their halls
However when the Dragons Dance across the land in the west
They shall break themselves on the Wolves of winter and the spear in the sun
Their Great Mounts will fall to Earth and it will drink deep of their blood
Then the First Winter will bite the Three-Headed Dragon
The Stones will Crack in the frost of the coming Night

From there will be the First of a Thousand cuts
Dealt to the Three-headed Dragon by many clawing hands
the smallest cut
shall become infected and the pain shall become so unbearable
that the three heads shall tear into each other
Devouring all that was once vibrant and gold and turning it to poison
That will blacken the land and doom the Dragon.
To a slow painful death.

Lo though all is not lost

To the east!
To the east!

There lies the true fate the true Pride of the Three-Headed Dragon.
There I see a crown of stars laid out before the Dragon
An Emperor sat on a mighty steel throne,
In a grand many-pillared hall of stone and Ivory
With golden roof and silver floor,
And runes of power spread throughout their domain.
Boundless power lies in this Realm.

- Prophecy by Etrain the Blind during the mid Age of Hero's as noted by Master Tom of Duskendale
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Marlowe310811 said:
To the first; the action without being an order costs 750 gold. If it's lessened by being an order, that's fine by me, especially as it's going hand in hand with the shipbuilding that they're already working on.
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Yes... but you are not stating in your plan what resources you are spending. You need to specify what resources you are expending on the action. This is why I asked @notbirdofprey of prey what the action would cost. I also specified that I'd be leveraging Eddards relationships with him working on it. @notbirdofprey responded that to get Manderly to do it without opinion loss it would cost 300 gold and 1 influence. So I then specified those resources in my plan. The DC of the action also depends on what resources you spend.

It's a lot more expensive to Manderly to construct shipsyards than it is to just send shipwrights, so it will probably going to cost a lot more. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if such an order cost more than 750 gold, since it will probably take a significant amount of time. Please ask @notbirdofprey how much your plan will cost. You'll note that in the action description he asks the players to specifically do that when they choose that action.

Marlowe310811 said:
The idea is still, somewhat, that raiders/spies will see the efforts at Bear Island and just lose their shit laughing -- "they start building a shipyard after they've started building ships. and those "ships"? they've never built anything bigger than a fishing boat and praise be to the Drowned God, it shows, bwahahahahahahahah" -- while the other fleet is raised and trained in secret so they're caught totally off-guard when it sails out.
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Also, since they have already started building ships, I think it would be more important to send them shipwrights so that the Mormont expenditures on fleet construction are not wasted. To me resources wise it seems much more effective to spend 300 gold to make sure we actually get a usable Bear Island fleet, than it is to spend 750 gold to headfake the Ironborn.

Additionally, I thought it was a good way to foster improved relationships between Manderly and the Mormonts (two houses that don't usually interact with each other) and to give our son and heir a role in our actions.
 
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Marlowe310811 said:
In a vacuum Deepwood Motte probably would be. But Torrhen's Square has the advantage of being much more difficult for the Ironborn to raid, and a nice large space for sailors to drill without being easily seen/spied upon. The idea is still, somewhat, that raiders/spies will see the efforts at Bear Island and just lose their shit laughing -- "they start building a shipyard after they've started building ships. and those "ships"? they've never built anything bigger than a fishing boat and praise be to the Drowned God, it shows, bwahahahahahahahah" -- while the other fleet is raised and trained in secret so they're caught totally off-guard when it sails out.
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Point on Bear Island, which is why my older plan had them being a distraction/shelter for the Glover fleet, but I would argue that Deepwood Motte is nearly as sheltered from Ironborne eyes as Torrhen's Square by virtue of being much further and because Bear Island is a much more obvious and tempting target to draw attention. The presence of the Wolfswood also gives it the ability to replace a fleet much better. Torrhen's Square may be hidden by being up the Rills River, but it's much easier to blockade via either Blazewater Bay or the Rills itself. Assuming we build galleys, cogs, and dromonds Ironborn longships will have an advantage in any naval battle occuring in the shallower and confined waters there, while the harbour of Deepwood Motte leads directly towards the Bay of Ice. Pure sailing craft would also have greater difficulty navigating the Rills, particularly going upriver.

I didn't mention this in the uplift section, because I feel it may be more complex or esoteric, but if we make contact with Essos we should see if we can get a junk hull from Yi Ti. There were a number of features in those that we could adopt in our future vessels to see if we can get the best features of our Mediterranean-style dromond hulls and junks, such as watertight internal bulkheads and superior fenestrated centerline rudders. They're also built with softwood, which conveniently make up the majority of northern forests. They would probably be better suited for the Narrow Sea which seems more like the Pacific or Indian oceans in terms of weather, though.
 
[X] When winter first begins to bite
and stones crack in the frosty night
 
([] Plan Preparations for Spring)

(Picking this plan mainly because the issue command action has factored in the gold and influence cost.)

[X] When winter first begins to bite
and stones crack in the frosty night

Switched vote sorry for this guy's.
 
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For the other plan, based on @Marlowe310811's cost at the end of his post, he assumed the regular cost for the Establish Shipyard action, so that is what I will use if it wins unless he edits it.
 
notbirdofprey said:
For the other plan, based on @Marlowe310811's cost at the end of his post, he assumed the regular cost for the Establish Shipyard action, so that is what I will use if it wins unless he edits it.
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A couple question then about the Shipyard command:

1: Will that action cost any influence?
2: Is there a risk of decreasing Mandarly's opinion
3: Will it improve the probability of the Mormont's succeeding in their fleet building action, and if so, how does it compare to sending shipwrights?
 
notbirdofprey said:
For the other plan, based on @Marlowe310811's cost at the end of his post, he assumed the regular cost for the Establish Shipyard action, so that is what I will use if it wins unless he edits it.
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Thanks for the info! As a (mostly) academic question, if I wanted to spend 1 Influence on it, what would that roughly equate to in the gold cost? And would spending Influence in addition to the gold (rather than taking down the gold cost) negate any potential ill will from receiving commands in this fashion?
Jprice said:
Am i allowed to switch my vote?
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General practice on SV is to allow vote switching up to the close of voting, and the QM hasn't expressed a different rule for us so far. I think you're in the clear if you wanna change your mind :)
 
Genolution said:
Point on Bear Island, which is why my older plan had them being a distraction/shelter for the Glover fleet, but I would argue that Deepwood Motte is nearly as sheltered from Ironborne eyes as Torrhen's Square by virtue of being much further and because Bear Island is a much more obvious and tempting target to draw attention. The presence of the Wolfswood also gives it the ability to replace a fleet much better. Torrhen's Square may be hidden by being up the Rills River, but it's much easier to blockade via either Blazewater Bay or the Rills itself. Assuming we build galleys, cogs, and dromonds Ironborn longships will have an advantage in any naval battle occuring in the shallower and confined waters there, while the harbour of Deepwood Motte leads directly towards the Bay of Ice. Pure sailing craft would also have greater difficulty navigating the Rills, particularly going upriver.
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Actually, wouldn't Barrowtown be the next most reasonable location for a shipyard on the west coast? It's an actual existing city. Plus the Dustin's are planning to petition us for a cement factory in Barrowtown, so maybe we could link granting that to a request by us that they also construct a shipyard.
 
notbirdofprey said:
Yes. Basically you are telling one of your vassals to use actions instead of using one of your own. Which has the benefit of not taking one of your actions and could theoretically have 0 cost.

It's a free action that you can take multiple times in a turn.
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can we delegate the actions about magic relating to them , example instead of spending an action to awaken the Bolten red gift we would delegate the action to have house Bolten do it instead
 
mmgaballah said:
can we delegate the actions about magic relating to them , example instead of spending an action to awaken the Bolten red gift we would delegate the action to have house Bolten do it instead
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QM can answer with more certainty, but I think it requires Green Men of a certain skill to awaken the gifts of major houses, and the houses themselves can't just, like, wish really really hard and make it happen.

Also. The Red Gift?
The one that involves flaying people alive and extracting skills from their disembodied flesh?
 
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