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- Omniverse #1345
You've already claimed to have a perfect way to prove that you are town tonight.
The fact you are trying to worm your way out of doing it is not helping me continue to believe you are town.
The fact you are trying to worm your way out of doing it is not helping me continue to believe you are town.
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- US
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- He/Him
I'm not trying to worm out of it. I didn't say "instead of using my kill".
I am being scum read for hunting a potential serial killer, hammering scum, and now for inviting investigation.
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- US
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- He/Him
[X] Null
Just to clear out the obsolete vote.
Just to clear out the obsolete vote.
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
For posterity's sake, here is what meso claimed:
A Jack of All Trades
He also claimed Nictis's scum kill color was actually the town vig color despite ondine at least serving as an example of the opposite, and their flavor is "Treacherously Poisoned" which I would generally associate more with someone betraying Town than someone helping Town. I would also technically associate poison with a Poisoner, but that doesn't mean anything since Poisoner seems to be a fairly rare role.
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- Omniverse #1345
If you do the kill then that would be a waste of a cop action. Surely you realize that?
Nictis
Best Sidekick
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- Ninja Dave's Cookies
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- Any
Thanks for the reminder.
[x] Null
Actually he was claiming that the ondine kill color was more likely to be an SK kill, he never claimed that my death was caused by Town.
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
Oh, I must have misread the context then. So the @ in that claim is him tagging you rather than claiming your death was that color?
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- US
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- He/Him
I didn't know this was a standard role. That's a lot less arbitrary than I thought.
I don't think Nictis had a kill color. I tagged Nictis because he asked before why I assumed a vig would have a town kill color. This was why, because mine does. But apparently white is the ghost kill color.
Which, come to think of it, must mean ondine was killed by Nanook, right? Because the other ghosts are all still present.
Yes, I do. I shouldn't have posted it. I was just sort of amused at the idea of having someone mechanically confirm my role after bashing my head into a wall trying to dislodge scum reads from two experienced players that everyone else seemed happy to go along with.
Mysterious possible cop, do not investigate me, as it will be a waste of time.
(Now to see how long it takes before someone makes a scum read out of that.)
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- US
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- He/Him
Are we not at EoD?
(Not that that would be good for me.)
(Not that that would be good for me.)
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
Jack-of-all-trades
Apologies for misinterpreting your comment then.
Likely, though not confirmed seeing as our confirmed Town vig is one. I postulated a bit on it earlier
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Reread the kill. The Day was extended by 24 hours.
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- US
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- He/Him
Thank you.
I has the dumb. (And I really need to get new glasses).
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- Omniverse #1345
That is my current assumption, but I am not putting too much stock in it, as GMs can and do reuse colors to seed confusion at times.
Right now I'd like to ask @Nictis and @QTesseract if they have any particular angles they would like to pursue.
Otherwise I'll just go back to my previous low activity lynch.
[x] lynch UnderlingMaster
Might as well. @UnderlingMaster warning notification.
Day was extended 24 hours when Ondine killed Rosen. Fairly standard for day powers that change the board makeup like that.
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
It's fine. I didn't see it at first either.
Nictis
Best Sidekick
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- Ninja Dave's Cookies
- Pronouns
- Any
I'm pretty tired at the moment, but I would like to look into Wiadi a good bit. Just easily distracted right now and might be taking a nap shortly.
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- I think somewhere. I might be nowhere though
I am willing to do an archive-dive on Wiadi to save you some time if you so desire.
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- The UK
I am up at 5am, sadly, so let's read the last several hours.
Rosen was one of my highest town reads, shows what I know
I'm somewhat concerned we have two scum souls that can jump on the bandwagon, we should do a non-official vote then form an overwhelming majority with the person we settle on.
Rosen was one of my highest town reads, shows what I know
I'm somewhat concerned we have two scum souls that can jump on the bandwagon, we should do a non-official vote then form an overwhelming majority with the person we settle on.
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- Omniverse #1345
That's only dangerous in Mylo or Lylo. Right now living outnumber scum 10-3 (probably). And its 12-5 if you include the present souls.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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- Something Clever
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- She/Her
Yeah but if there's a close vote split at EoD, then the two Scum souls in particular could swing it one way or the other without looking any scummier than they obviously already do. Hence the argument that we should use an unofficial vote to decide our lynch for the day and then all vote that person to prevent Scum from having an opening to fuck things up.
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- Omniverse #1345
Those scenarios are contradictory, though? One requires we be split enough in desire for them to tip it, while the other we have a majority.
Frankly this sounds like a way for scum to hide jumping into a lynch rather than the other way around.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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- Something Clever
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- She/Her
...what?
Okay, let me lay this out with a specific example. Say we have, out of the 15 votes that aren't Scum Souls, 7 on player A and 8 on player B. At this point, the 2 Scum Souls can decide if they want Player A or Player B to die, and unlike with living Scum they have no real incentive to the contrary (since they're already revealed). In this scenario, there is a majority for Player B, so if we hold an unofficial vote in advance then we can just collectively agree to abide by its results and all vote Player B even if we were previously on the player A vote. At that point we hammer Player B and there's nothing the Scum Souls can do about it.
Does that clarify my point?
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- Omniverse #1345
I understood the point. I'm saying that isn't gonna work. Because you still have a 7-8 split and are relying on the 7 not thinking the 8 are making a really bad decision and ignoring the majority. Consider the end of D2 when QT for example was willing to No Lynch against their better judgment just to keep Nictis alive.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
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- Something Clever
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- She/Her
The idea would be that we all precommit to respecting the outcome of the unofficial vote before knowing what it'll be. The only difference between the real vote and the unofficial one would be that the unofficial one (a) excludes Scum Souls and (b) effectively shortens the day length by whatever margin we deem necessary to enact the result. If one of the Town Souls wants to volunteer for it, we could have everyone proxy their votes to said Soul, who would then administer the final vote - thereby reducing time requirements and avoiding the problem of having people offline at EoD.
So like, I think shortening EoD by 15 minutes or whatever is worth locking conf!Scum out of influencing the vote.
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- The UK
We can't just all vote for ourselves like in other versions, since we can't expect scum souls to abide by that, so our omly option is a bw with more than two votes difference