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Even Further Beyond [Complete]
- Thread starter Rihaku
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inawarminister
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[X] Tyranshal's Distillation [Blood, Battle]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Annihilation
Let's become Cain, the Father of Vampires.
After all, we fight against the Fates themselves.
Also, Tyranshal's will weep forever if he look at this. That will be a massive bonus. And Baenlixnaire? He'd be proud.
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Annihilation
Let's become Cain, the Father of Vampires.
After all, we fight against the Fates themselves.
Also, Tyranshal's will weep forever if he look at this. That will be a massive bonus. And Baenlixnaire? He'd be proud.
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The Ring of Might allows us to just win. We reflexively crush all esoteric effects we would disapprove of from anyone weaker than us (which is everybody once we have the ring) including our lose condition. We simply can't lose if we chose that option.
So why gamble? And we don't really have to sacrifice anything to get that assured victory!
And I honestly find the fear that the Ring of Might would inherently make Nameless more of a tyrant than Distillation pretty silly. Nameless has no interest in personally ruling and empowering an army of fanatically loyal followers with Distillation (Loyalty to Nameless set to +++++++++) would tend to give Nameless more power over others not less.
So why gamble? And we don't really have to sacrifice anything to get that assured victory!
And I honestly find the fear that the Ring of Might would inherently make Nameless more of a tyrant than Distillation pretty silly. Nameless has no interest in personally ruling and empowering an army of fanatically loyal followers with Distillation (Loyalty to Nameless set to +++++++++) would tend to give Nameless more power over others not less.
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One and Many
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- Malaysia
[X] Negotiation
[X] High Hand of the Norn [Fate, Battle]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
I prefer the Thematics of winning with Might, especially with us essentially fulfilling Tyranshal's assertions of an unassailable Tyrant. Turning Winter's quote upon herself and with a modification of Banelixnaier's own spell is beautiful. She succeeded at upending the Cycle of Ages against the will of her siblings at last, but at what cost?
Was Thrice-Great's very existence due to Winter's influence?
[X] High Hand of the Norn [Fate, Battle]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
I prefer the Thematics of winning with Might, especially with us essentially fulfilling Tyranshal's assertions of an unassailable Tyrant. Turning Winter's quote upon herself and with a modification of Banelixnaier's own spell is beautiful. She succeeded at upending the Cycle of Ages against the will of her siblings at last, but at what cost?
Was Thrice-Great's very existence due to Winter's influence?
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[X] High Hand of the Norn [Fate, Battle]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] High Hand of the Norn [Fate, Battle]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Negotiation
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Negotiation
- Location
- Pindorama
I mean, outside of making anyone within our presence sycophantic and shockingly ammoral? None, I guess. I guess we can just not wear most of the time, but that's quite the waste, to say the least.
I also don't recommend picking Negotiation with the Ring, because even if can send other people to negotiate for us, the chance of him never finding out about it and/or never being exposed to it is rather slim. We'd just need to fuck up once after all. Don't underestimate Zang Kong, etc.
lol
But seriously, standing alone is ore than just that. If we don't want to do something, despite our incredible cosmic might, it's not getting done; neither with Ring nor Rain.
But Distillation changes that; we'd no longer be the giant astride the world, we'd have companions like us, with most of our power. Not the world in the palm of one, but in the hands of many. It's creating something bigger than ourselves.
Also please never let Zang Kong ever have a chance to be exposed to the Ring of Might holy shit is that a bad idea. The trillions in him might be a necessary sacrifice to stop something even worse. Do you guys remember his Dao?
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Anyway, time to think about negotiation. We should probably pool our information on Zang with Antimony, Aurelia, Suizhen, and the High King before using a Cerebration charge if we have one, since preexisting information gives better results. If it somehow transpires that Zang's sky is empty as well as Endless, we can discard diplomacy and let Suizhen do her thing. If he has 'only' trillions of residents, that makes resurrecting them an option, even if it's tedious and time-consuming, letting us push harder. We should go in willing to kill him no matter how high the number is, though, if it comes to that. Mastermind points should be spent to refine plans if available.
Conditions:
In the short term, he needs to protect the Empire against dissolution and rein in the Overgrowth. In the long term, trust is a serious problem. We need assurances of future safety for us and the world if he surpasses us, as well as the well-being of any inhabitants. Amouthanos once asked Nameless how he could be sure that, in ten thousand years, Nameless wouldn't find it expedient to destroy the nation that once supported him. Marriage with Aurelia solved that problem, but now the shoe is on the other foot; it's unclear if we can forge another precommitment Artifact. If we can't, then Distillation's Loyalty effect could be useful. But even if Aurelia's Majestic charisma dredges up an echo of the man that preceded the Endless Sky and he accepts the Embrace, Loyalty 9 is a weak shield against eternity's vagaries and the mandate of one's Dao. If the Fates are dead, hopefully that means more latitude for Artifice.
Concessions:
He gets to live and keep growing stronger. I don't think Nameless inherently objects to Zang accumulating power, only what he might do with it. The carrot of using Necromancer to transfer Cultivation progress could be dangled. It's less revolutionary, since he has to channel the Energy of All and Nothingness into a Titanic realm, but still potentially useful.
If premature awakening has crippled his progression, we're the only game in town for reversing that, and can make help conditional on finding a way for it not to be monstrous no matter how long it takes. It's a long shot, but if Zang has people he cared about, we're also the only known source of resurrection; this would play better if offered during an Aurelian emotional suplexing. Necromancer is like three different flavors of diplomatic nuke, honestly. Want to order up a dead god for your mad science? Sure, just place your hand on this binding Artifact and repeat after me...
Conditions:
In the short term, he needs to protect the Empire against dissolution and rein in the Overgrowth. In the long term, trust is a serious problem. We need assurances of future safety for us and the world if he surpasses us, as well as the well-being of any inhabitants. Amouthanos once asked Nameless how he could be sure that, in ten thousand years, Nameless wouldn't find it expedient to destroy the nation that once supported him. Marriage with Aurelia solved that problem, but now the shoe is on the other foot; it's unclear if we can forge another precommitment Artifact. If we can't, then Distillation's Loyalty effect could be useful. But even if Aurelia's Majestic charisma dredges up an echo of the man that preceded the Endless Sky and he accepts the Embrace, Loyalty 9 is a weak shield against eternity's vagaries and the mandate of one's Dao. If the Fates are dead, hopefully that means more latitude for Artifice.
Concessions:
He gets to live and keep growing stronger. I don't think Nameless inherently objects to Zang accumulating power, only what he might do with it. The carrot of using Necromancer to transfer Cultivation progress could be dangled. It's less revolutionary, since he has to channel the Energy of All and Nothingness into a Titanic realm, but still potentially useful.
If premature awakening has crippled his progression, we're the only game in town for reversing that, and can make help conditional on finding a way for it not to be monstrous no matter how long it takes. It's a long shot, but if Zang has people he cared about, we're also the only known source of resurrection; this would play better if offered during an Aurelian emotional suplexing. Necromancer is like three different flavors of diplomatic nuke, honestly. Want to order up a dead god for your mad science? Sure, just place your hand on this binding Artifact and repeat after me...
What if...this maybe crazy but hear me out.
We use the ring of might and do what xianxia protagonist do by harvest reality effect form imperial central or better yet form our father.
Yong Lie Fang reality effect to create loyal subordinate and stack deck of fate should be pretty ,uch made us untouchable in all of xianxia webnovel.
We use the ring of might and do what xianxia protagonist do by harvest reality effect form imperial central or better yet form our father.
Yong Lie Fang reality effect to create loyal subordinate and stack deck of fate should be pretty ,uch made us untouchable in all of xianxia webnovel.
I tend to support Rain but there's another cost to it I haven't seen discussed: it locks the Nebula suit to one person.
@Rihaku Do we need to worry about Suzuhen being fooled by the Fates with Rain? Things like decoys I mean. Hopefully the empowered Eyes of Truth will help.
Also, before we lock the suit to a single person have we checked the effects available from empowering our other allies?
And finally, does the Nebula Suit buff count as "what is there to be improved" for the effect of wearing the Ring of Majesty for the first time?
@Rihaku Do we need to worry about Suzuhen being fooled by the Fates with Rain? Things like decoys I mean. Hopefully the empowered Eyes of Truth will help.
Also, before we lock the suit to a single person have we checked the effects available from empowering our other allies?
And finally, does the Nebula Suit buff count as "what is there to be improved" for the effect of wearing the Ring of Majesty for the first time?
Lore is probably, like, ninety percent dragon PTSD. Majesty I don't think has one, and we know nothing about Severity other than that its bearer heads the Praxis Council and is 'exceptionally ruthless' for an elf. Kind of curious about the Ages all of these represent, honestly. I know word count is precious, but I would read the hell out of a lore (heh) update about the history of the world.
[X] Negotiation
[X] High Hand of the Norn [Fate, Battle]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] High Hand of the Norn [Fate, Battle]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
Shard
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I wonder if the Elves' Doom:
1. Has lasted for literal ages and has also been forestalled for the same amount of literal ages due to artifice, elven perfection, etc.
2. Elvekegere/Lady Winter deciding to Doom the Elves as part of a Diagram of Fate/Artifice, either as an FU or wiping away Spring's beloved creation.
3. Doomed by the Fate to assuage Winter, or perhaps to 100% guarantee that no Ring of Might can possibly exist and recreate a similar problem and doom them all.
1. Has lasted for literal ages and has also been forestalled for the same amount of literal ages due to artifice, elven perfection, etc.
2. Elvekegere/Lady Winter deciding to Doom the Elves as part of a Diagram of Fate/Artifice, either as an FU or wiping away Spring's beloved creation.
3. Doomed by the Fate to assuage Winter, or perhaps to 100% guarantee that no Ring of Might can possibly exist and recreate a similar problem and doom them all.
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Ancalagon the Black
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I rather like the ring of might, and if I understand correctly, it not only makes nameless 3 stages stronger(plus six combat power?) But that increase is mirrored in the nebula battlesuit. Meaning suizhen is still stronger than nameless.
And the nebula battlesuit eliminates loyalty reductions, along with meaning we can kill her easily and that she both doesn't gain strength from stealing the ring but loses the ring of might boost if anything happens to us.
It's everyother non-elf person we have to worry about.
...which rather sours it for me.
[X] Rain
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Annihilate.
If nameless wins, the age of might will last forever and suizhen will rule the empire. This is our best hope for a happy ending, for nameless relating to non-elves who might've fallen under the rings sway and also for people of the empire.
Right now, the empire is an oppressive dystopian hole and it's been getting worse for centuries. I can imagine nameless winning and that state of affairs continuing forever because nameless can't be bothered and suizhen can't into politics. I mean, she'll try, but she'd clearly do much better if she had the same talent for ruling as she did for combat.
And the nebula battlesuit eliminates loyalty reductions, along with meaning we can kill her easily and that she both doesn't gain strength from stealing the ring but loses the ring of might boost if anything happens to us.
It's everyother non-elf person we have to worry about.
...which rather sours it for me.
[X] Rain
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Annihilate.
If nameless wins, the age of might will last forever and suizhen will rule the empire. This is our best hope for a happy ending, for nameless relating to non-elves who might've fallen under the rings sway and also for people of the empire.
Right now, the empire is an oppressive dystopian hole and it's been getting worse for centuries. I can imagine nameless winning and that state of affairs continuing forever because nameless can't be bothered and suizhen can't into politics. I mean, she'll try, but she'd clearly do much better if she had the same talent for ruling as she did for combat.
- Location
- Pindorama
Man, voting Norn+Negotiation is playing with fire, especially since we already used an Artifact that binds people. It's basically committing to not only remain stronger than Kong forever, it also necessitates placing him in constant vigilance should he try any tricks; even if it is dependent on a Fate Battle Diagram, recall that Zang Kong chose his Dao to oppose the Diagram and has some access to the Truth besides; It may not be a simple matter of dispelling the Diagram should he acquire it.
And he'd want to, because not only is it the utmost priority of his Dao to grow, the Ring would also tempt him towards should he be in it's mere presence. In an ideal world he would never know we have it, but we implanted his fucking Eyes, so.
Please do not try to reach an agreement with someone who'd be tempted to betray you every seconf of every day. Such is the nature of Might, it accepts no competition. If you all want the Ring so much, you should damn well try to secure it.
And he'd want to, because not only is it the utmost priority of his Dao to grow, the Ring would also tempt him towards should he be in it's mere presence. In an ideal world he would never know we have it, but we implanted his fucking Eyes, so.
Please do not try to reach an agreement with someone who'd be tempted to betray you every seconf of every day. Such is the nature of Might, it accepts no competition. If you all want the Ring so much, you should damn well try to secure it.
Rihaku
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They don't, but Cultivation methods capable of adding power onto a completely separate Stage 15 framework in relevant amounts are rare. Remember, short of you and Zang Kong most people struggle to even break single digit Cultivation stages!
Hey @Rihaku , how many Stage 16.4 Zang Kongs would it take to contest a Stage 18 Suizhen?
It depends on Zang Kong's Reality Effect! Could be moderately useful (hundreds) or completely irrelevant (millions). ;3
She might take some ironic solace in the fact, but she would definitely not be fine! Her petty hatred for her sister is far eclipsed by her desire to live and stay atop the world, savoring all the luxuries and entertainments of Heaven for herself!
That his power would bring about the summation of the Age he cursed so furiously... I wonder what he would think of that! Perhaps you should resurrect him someday and find out.
Yes, that will be the trickiest contention to solve. Zang Kong will not settle for anything short of unbounded growth, which conflicts directly with Nameless' core principle of laziness. You could mutiliate him in such a way as to leave the innocents within him alive, but what is to stop him from inflicting a dire fate upon them unless he gets his way?
You probably won't be able to force Zang Kong to engage you in a specific place unless that place is "his Chrysalis site" and you speedblitz him.
Why indeed? I'm happy to see that the Ring of Might is getting some backers after all.
Well, you know what they say. No matter the cost.
There's a thought. Turning Zang Kong into a Willing Pawn? Unlikely he'd ever go for it, of course. Pawnship is a useful means of ensuring loyal subordinates, though.
She has the Eyes of Kong, as noted in the update she can pierce all illusions innately! Deception, on the other hand... well, with Rain her EFB Dao + Reign would give her considerable opportunity to overcome it.
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
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Doesn't becoming a vampire automatically give them access to a cultivation method that does scale to their framework (direct essence transfer) though? All they need are appropriately strong beasts to drain.
Forgot one last condition for negotiations: Suizhen gets a fucking apology.
Honestly, Annihilation does have simplicity going for it. Her perspective is understandable, and there's no denying that deploying Suizhen with Rain would be a glorious conclusion. It's not like Nameless has room to throw stones in the glass house of vengeance...
Honestly, Annihilation does have simplicity going for it. Her perspective is understandable, and there's no denying that deploying Suizhen with Rain would be a glorious conclusion. It's not like Nameless has room to throw stones in the glass house of vengeance...
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Be careful of what you wish for, it might have a higher cost than anticipated!