Even Further Beyond [Complete]

Rihaku might try to distract us with tales of might, but the real question is when do we start making clones of Aurelia and performing experiments on the heroine in order to steal her divinity. Aiming to become the new lord of murder spring.
 
I want to negotiate with Kong, but from a position of power.

Distillation leave Suizhen dangerously close to his power level and the ring would sabotage our negotiation by exacerbating Kong worst tendencies. So therefore:

[X] Rain
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond
[10 BPs]
[X] Negotiation
 
Note that the Embrace does not actually raise the cultivation talent / speed of the targets, it's a flat boost. They certainly can find ways to increase their strength, it just doesn't offer them any naturally.

Couldn't we just unleash our vampire horde on some resource rich world via open the way (assuming one exists) and leech those material bonuses, or does the Veil of Maya only give us unassisted cultivation?
 
Rihaku might try to distract us with tales of might, but the real question is when do we start making clones of Aurelia and performing experiments on the heroine in order to steal her divinity. Aiming to become the new lord of murder spring.

"You will gain no villain's exposition from me!"

*proceeds to cast KillEveryoneTwice spell*
 
[X] Rain - Many months ago, a boy who was the Nameless Scion of Yong considered the construction a weapon for his bodyguard, a girl with eyes of blue whose sword-strokes fell like rain. Victim to indolence, it was never begun, nothing more than an idle daydream. The boy became a man, the dream became a memory, the memory became an ideal, and the ideal became a sword.
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs] - A smith puts down his hammer at the conclusion of his greatest work because he knows he will never again attain the heights he once reached. This option will permanently sunder the Grand Diagram, Forge of the Nameless One, and prevent its erasure or occupation by any other Diagram. Nor will Nameless' Artifice ever again be able to produce another weapon, or even a blade made in jest. Neither Truth nor All Paths can overcome this deficit, for he who wanders All Paths must be free to sacrifice permanently, and some sacrifices are irrevocably True.
[x] Annihilation
 
Something to keep in mind with Negotiation - I doubt we can convince him to just not get stronger. He will want to ascend and destroy half the world. What do people hope to accomplish by negotiating with him?
 
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[X] Tyranshal's Distillation [Blood, Battle]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Annihilation

I don't mind Rain but it would be nice if Nameless actually got stronger himself instead of passing 100% of the work off to suizhen. Maybe he'll be forced to attempt immortal tribulation if something goes wrong.
 
Hey @Rihaku How many Stage 15 people do we need to contest a Stage 16.4? Does empowering people who already have incredible powers, such as the Elf King, Antimony, Aurelia or any Lich Archmasters we find or revive help any?

Ugh, I'd forgotten how agonizing being torn between blurbs is. I really want to dual wield Rings, but Might has anti-synergy with Negotiation...!

You went so far... Argued so much... Are you really going to quit here? Is Annihilation how we repay the magnanimity Zang Kong offered us?

We need to establish dominance.

Can't we just T-pose atop their corpses or something?

I doubt we can convince him to just not get stronger. He will want to ascend and destroy half the world. What do people hope to accomplish with it?

I mean, I don't care if he gets stronger, as long as he doesn't harm anybody else. I'd like him to perform reparations too, but that is secondary. We do have Aurelia with us, so his Dao isn't as much as an issue as it could be.

I mean, I do think that as long as we empower the right people, we can make due against that 1.4 Stage difference, but I don't know for sure the viability of this.
 
Distillation leave Suizhen dangerously close to his power level and the ring would sabotage our negotiation by exacerbating Kong worst tendencies.

You could just send Suizhen and Aurelia to negotiate in your stead!

Couldn't we just unleash our vampire horde on some resource rich world via open the way (assuming one exists) and leech those material bonuses

They're vampires, not Cultivators! 2nd Gens just have strength equal to a 15th Stage Cultivator.

Hey @Rihaku How many Stage 15 people do we need to contest a Stage 16.4?

It depends on Zang Kong's Reality Effect. Could be quite relevant, could be effectively useless.
 
They're vampires, not Cultivators!
Huh, does that mean the vampires can't cultivate? And if so, what does the below quote mean?

Note that the Embrace does not actually raise the cultivation talent / speed of the targets, it's a flat boost. They certainly can find ways to increase their strength, it just doesn't offer them any naturally.

Do they get vampire Disciplines or something now?

It depends on Zang Kong's Reality Effect. Could be quite relevant, could be effectively useless.

Wow, how helpful.

Well, considering we know Kong's Reality Effect at least has space manipulation, searching for Daos that can counter that seems important. Maybe there are also Daos that can counter or mitigate the power of Truth he seems to have? Hmmm. I'm sure that's not all he has but it's a start.
 
Enter the Reaper, 1.1k words
With an unceremonious thud, a nameless man lands harshly on the floor of the barracks. A few of the warriors milling about spare him a glance, as if eyeing a piece of meat, but as he groans and pushes himself up from the floor interest quickly wanes. He stands up, taking a stooped but stable stance, keeping his head on a swivel. Not that it would save him, since only a moment later, a piercing horn sounds, and a voice resonates through the huge hall he'd been dropped into.

"The next round starts in 30 minutes! Gather your equipment, prepare yourselves, and pray to your ancestors!"

The next round? The next round of what? The nameless man quickly looks around the crowd that surrounds him, which has exploded into activity, the gruff personages donning armor, grabbing weapons from chests by the racks of beds which lined the walls, even several flashes of light and odd sounds as warriors presumably activate magical items or techniques. The man considers what he has at his own disposal, remembering his introduction to this strange land. It is at that moment that another loud voice screams, seemingly directly into his ear, "Get moving, idiot! I know better places to find loot than fighting scrubs like these, and if we move quickly we might be able to escape before whoever's guarding this rabble notices one less prisoner."

The voice is instantly familiar. It is his own, albeit burdened with age and wisdom. His Reincarnation, he can only assume. He follows his own advice, and tries to weave his way through the roiling horde, away from the direction he heard the horn come from and towards a gate he can see past the heads of the throng. He can feel a sliver of power in his body, flowing through his veins and pumping in muscles, though can't tell what exactly it is with his attention focused on making his way through the crowd. Fortunately, he isn't capable of really making waves among warriors of this strength even if he tried, so his passage goes unnoticed. Or, so he hopes...

He reaches the gate with a few minutes to spare, he estimates, and noticed himself running faster than he ever did before once he'd gotten past most of the people. Unfortunately, that doesn't stop a woman with a shocking presence from appearing through a whirlwind strong enough to knock the nameless man on his ass the instant he stepped through the gate. "I see we have a volunteer for the first match." She speaks with a cold contentment, though her face is all but expressionless. "Try not to die too quickly." With that quip, the woman radiates an aura of icy wind cold and fast enough that it feels like it will rip the man's flesh from his bones, and shoots down the hallway at incredible speed, the man dangling from her arm like flag in the wind.

"This woman's a monster. Stronger than an adult dragon, even. This place must be massive, I didn't feel even a wiff of something like this earlier. I guess that escape plan wasn't fated to succeed."

The man is a little surprised by his Reincarnation's fatalism, but most of his mind is preoccupied with trying to hold his body together in the face of the wind battering it. Another small part notices that, despite the woman's mind-blowing speed, they travel for several seconds before slowing down, and another few seconds before coming to stop at a barred gate, where he once again is thrown to the grown like so much meat and can only watch as the woman disappears into the whirlwind.

"Get yourself up on your feet, back into that thing you called a stance. If we're not getting out of here without a fight, might as well get serious."

Again taking his own heed, the nameless man takes a few breaths to settle himself and get into a reasonably stable posture. Time passes slowly, until another horn sounds, and the bars of the gate in front of him slide into the ceiling, and the shimmering force-field he hadn't previously noticed fades away as well. A gust of air roughly shoves him out the gate and into a wide arena. The lack of stadium seats feels dissonant somehow, but far off at the rim of the arena there is a box that seems like it might be holding a small crowd. Looking back down to the ground, he sees what must be his enemy, a hulk of a man, covered in scars and radiating a palpable aura of weight. He shouts, seemingly to no one in particular, "Ha! You give me a weakling as my first fight. I'd be insulted if I thought you put any thought into these matches!" About midway through his aimless speaking, he begins to run towards the nameless man, his speed and aura growing quickly, until almost in the blink of an eye he is there, a swing of his heavy blade angled perfectly to cleave through the nameless man's neck slicing through the air as time seems to grind to a halt. The man can feels waves of mortal peril lapping at the edge of his mind, the tide rising to swallow him up as the blade continues to approach. Then, something in him snaps, time seems to stop entirely, and the world becomes pain. The nameless man commands his body to move, and it feels like he's pushing his way through a mass of razor blades while being dunked in hydrochloric acid, but his body obeys. He agonizingly steps around the sword swing, and marshals all his willpower to bring his arm up and attempt a simple punch to his opponents throat. It is a success, he supposes, though rather rebounding off of his opponent's thick muscles as he expected, his fist parts his flesh as though he were pushing it through slightly warm jello.

Before he knows it, the nameless man has decapitated his opponent. He expects to feel nauseous, even to puke, but as the world returns to normal speed, he collapses to his knees out of weakness, not revulsion. No, it actually felt pretty good, despite all the pain. Glancing to the corpse he's created, he ponders what to harvest, and going from the man's physique, the nameless one decides on strength, and quickly feels his body bolstering while the corpse withers with unnatural speed.

Then, he's picked up again, by another person who moves on an icy whirlwind, perhaps somewhat less bone-chilling than before, and deposited back into the barracks a moment later. His older self speaks, but he doesn't pay attention. Instead, he slumps over into a nearby bed and allows himself some rest.

Also, revoting now that we've got our EFB options.

[X] Tyranshal's Distillation [Blood, Battle]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Negotiation

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@Rihaku forgot to ping you initially.
 
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If we really win, then the Age of Might will basically last forever.

Lady Winter will have won. Somehow, I get the feeling she would be fine with the massive table upset even if she is dead and we killed her.
 
If we can negotiate through proxies and disable the backdoors embedded in our Truthseeking Eyes to prevent him from seeing the Ring, then it isn't that incompatible with Negotiation and my brain can stop trying to convince me that no, really, inspiring sycophancy in one's inferiors could be useful! I've gone back and forth between all three options and have to compliment the selection; each one's competitive and thematically fitting. But, for now... one Ring to rule them all:

[X] Negotiation
[X] High Hand of the Norn [Fate, Battle]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]

That the instrument of Winter's demise is inscribed with a quote from her and manifested by the uttermost evolution of our mentor's signature spell is just too delicious to pass up. Time for our enemies to learn: there is always a greater power.
 
But really, I do think we are overly hasty in choosing Annihilation. We can still likely revive people Zang Kong has killed. We can still work with him even, directing his efforts towards nobler purposes. All he wants is to grow. It's simple, even if it isn't easy. For all those arguments we will stop at nothing, he seemed quite willing to give us half of all Existence, and that's when we were vastly weaker than him. Fighting him with Distillation is risky, but remember, we're stronger than him, so the odds are not in his favor. He can't grow if he's dead. So I'd think he'd be amenable to a deal. It's the least we can do.
 
About Distillation, I do like the fact we are creating something bigger than us here. Remember when Tyranshal said we'd be horrible tyrant who nobody can oppose? We can change that. We can have successors, inheritors through our power. The world does not need to have the strong trample the weak. If we get the Ring of Might, we are just paying this concept forward. We'd trample the Fates as they would have trampled us.

No, we will have our Vengeance, but do we want just that? Do we want to permanently carry the reminder of the cruelty of the Fates in our finger? The Truth may hurt, but it is fair. It is noble. It helps man, and sees him grow. The Truth does not exist to make things yield, Tyranshal once said.

Might does. It is impersonal, yet cruel; It ignores, it crushes, it erases. But we are fighting for the erased, for all of those that came before. Should we really do that with the Ring of Might in our finger?
 
A valuable thing to remember is that we also have the ability to choose the order of operations here, a bit. EFB Distillation gives us enough power to begin challenging the Fates, and once we've defeated them we can loot Heaven (liable to have things that will be useful for us, though maybe not more than one), and have a whole realm separate from the Mortal World to undergo our Tribulation in (helping mitigate the ways we might accidentally destroy the world via collateral damage) if we need to. Depending on how we work it, we might even be able to force KZ to fight us there, in which case we might be able to benefit from a lack of collateral damage for that fight as well.
 
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