Even Further Beyond [Complete]

[X] Rain - Many months ago, a boy who was the Nameless Scion of Yong considered the construction a weapon for his bodyguard, a girl with eyes of blue whose sword-strokes fell like rain. Victim to indolence, it was never begun, nothing more than an idle daydream. The boy became a man, the dream became a memory, the memory became an ideal, and the ideal became a sword.
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs] - A smith puts down his hammer at the conclusion of his greatest work because he knows he will never again attain the heights he once reached. This option will permanently sunder the Grand Diagram, Forge of the Nameless One, and prevent its erasure or occupation by any other Diagram. Nor will Nameless' Artifice ever again be able to produce another weapon, or even a blade made in jest. Neither Truth nor All Paths can overcome this deficit, for he who wanders All Paths must be free to sacrifice permanently, and some sacrifices are irrevocably True.
[x] Annihilation

Otherwise known as Plan "First Girl Wins Everything".
 
Out of the three EFBs, Rain is actually the highest buff to base power, since it raises Suizhen 3.5 stages more above Nameless to 18.
(I think Nameless is still at 14.)
Then High Hand of the Norns raises Nameless to 17, and Suizhen to 17.5.
Finally, Tyranshal's Distillation raises Nameless to 16 and Suizhen to 16.75, but also allows Nameless to send out endless Stage 15 armies, though this is probably not relevant because xianxia only cares about top-level battle strength. However, it also quadruples the effects of Potentiation, so now non-direct attack and defense spells get 8 steps bonus. (the direct bonus hardly matters, because I think we only have Mordant Fire as an attack spell, and even boosted 4 stages, it is irrelevant.) Anyway, stack that on Prodigious Might and Quickening, I'm not sure anything else gets the buff.
So, Might gets boosted 8 steps, and at its base boosts 1 stage of physical strength... I have no idea how that works out, but it probably clears the otherwise fairly massive power difference between Distillation and the other options, by raising at least one extra stage of physical strength. Admittedly, a stage of physical strength is not the same as a holistic stage, but eh.
Anyway, I'm not... quite fond of dumping everything on Suizhen and being relatively helpless personally, though Rain makes her cloneable and all. I'm tempted by stereotypical Xianxia Ring of Might, but - stereotypical xianxia.
I suppose Distillation is the only way to go, then?
[X] Tyranshal's Distillation [Blood, Battle]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Annihilation
E:tfw when I spend too much time rereading and get ninja'ed by Rihaku
Rain takes our long term potential, takes it behind the shed and then shoots it in the face. Ring does have pretty hilarious thing going on with Reality farming, but is somewhat limited otherwise. Big thing would be getting BK and still being able to Cultivate at high level, but that is outside of scope of this quest. Distillation would allow us pretty crazy Diagram combos down the line.

As an aside, bonus Cultivation levels from Distillation and Ring can be used to fuel more Magnum Opuses, should the need arise.
 
[X] Tyranshal's Distillation [Blood, Battle] - It was the insight of Sage Tyranshal that blood, essence of life, could be spent to empower the spells of the Diagram. But it was entirely theoretical speculation that this empowerment of the essence was not limited to the Diagram alone. For one who is Thrice-Great, the border between theoretical and actual is liminal indeed. Just as the Sign of Flesh can sculpt the material corpus, the Sign of Blood can alter and enhance the underlying quintessence, of which the physical form is but the grossest emanation.
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs] - Blood calls to blood. Recursive enhancement & distillation via abuse of the Nebula Battlesuit allows Nameless to reach a local optimum whereby the quality of his augmented blood is sufficient to support his corpus against its own overflowing strength. As above, but Nameless gains the equivalent of 2 full Cultivation Stages instead, and emptying his reserves quintuples the effects of the previous 100% draw. Integration of Nameless' blood within the structure of the Nebula Battlesuit improves its Loyalty modifier by + (to +++) and its power modifier by +.25 stages (to +.75).

[X] Negotiation

Let us not forget Half-Elves. We must protect poor forgotten Spoiled Brat from the Ring of Might. Also with Tyranshal's Distillation, she can even hang out again.
 
Rain takes our long term potential, takes it behind the shed and then shoots it in the face. Ring does have pretty hilarious thing going on with Reality farming, but is somewhat limited otherwise. Big thing would be getting BK and still being able to Cultivate at high level, but that is outside of scope of this quest. Distillation would allow us pretty crazy Diagram combos down the line.

As an aside, bonus Cultivation levels from Distillation and Ring can be used to fuel more Magnum Opuses, should the need arise.
And? All that really matters now is ganking the Fates/Kong before offing the heroine and then we've won. If Nameless and Suizhen can curbstomp the former than the latter should be easy
 
[X] Rain - Many months ago, a boy who was the Nameless Scion of Yong considered the construction a weapon for his bodyguard, a girl with eyes of blue whose sword-strokes fell like rain. Victim to indolence, it was never begun, nothing more than an idle daydream. The boy became a man, the dream became a memory, the memory became an ideal, and the ideal became a sword.
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs] - A smith puts down his hammer at the conclusion of his greatest work because he knows he will never again attain the heights he once reached. This option will permanently sunder the Grand Diagram, Forge of the Nameless One, and prevent its erasure or occupation by any other Diagram. Nor will Nameless' Artifice ever again be able to produce another weapon, or even a blade made in jest. Neither Truth nor All Paths can overcome this deficit, for he who wanders All Paths must be free to sacrifice permanently, and some sacrifices are irrevocably True.
[x] Annihilation

Why bother taking risks? We should keep our eyes on the prize: this plan has enough power to slaughter all of our enemies through sheer overwhelming might (very xianxia!), avoids shifting Nameless' personality any further/destroying his relationships with other people, and boosts Suizhen while it's at it. What's not to love? It also entirely obviates any risk from Immortal Awakening: we simply don't need it due to our subordinate.
 
The real question is whether or not the Reality Effects we farm off people are actually going to be effective and comparable to the shenanigans unleashed by the Distillation.
 
[X] Tyranshal's Distillation [Blood, Battle]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Negotiation


Distillation is so clearly the best option here it hurts. We can either gain the ability to buff even harder, +2 stages of power, and a scaling army who we can probably leach with veil of maya; cripple thrice great for an easy win; or become generic xianxia guy and give up Immortality for super-titanhood like that one guy everyone in the thread wants to murder.
 
...Pretty sure I managed to get all the votes in the right places? Not sure how @Rihaku is parsing things --- if we block by what we want to do, then afterwards by point count, Distillation is farther ahead than this, but I don't think that's the right way to do this. Also, some people don't seem to be reiterating prior votes, though maybe that's just because of a lack of opinion. Regardless, apparently the "destroy our ability to craft items and dump a high-value Diagram slot" option is winning, as of this tally. ...Alright. I think I've been told you can't vote in the same post as a tally, so I'll vote and provide my own opinions later.
Adhoc vote count started by UDwarf on Jul 30, 2019 at 4:47 PM, finished with 67 posts and 16 votes.

  • [X] Rain - Many months ago, a boy who was the Nameless Scion of Yong considered the construction a weapon for his bodyguard, a girl with eyes of blue whose sword-strokes fell like rain. Victim to indolence, it was never begun, nothing more than an idle daydream. The boy became a man, the dream became a memory, the memory became an ideal, and the ideal became a sword.
    -[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs] - A smith puts down his hammer at the conclusion of his greatest work because he knows he will never again attain the heights he once reached. This option will permanently sunder the Grand Diagram, Forge of the Nameless One, and prevent its erasure or occupation by any other Diagram. Nor will Nameless' Artifice ever again be able to produce another weapon, or even a blade made in jest. Neither Truth nor All Paths can overcome this deficit, for he who wanders All Paths must be free to sacrifice permanently, and some sacrifices are irrevocably True.
    [X] Annihilation
    [X] Tyranshal's Distillation [Blood, Battle]
    -[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
    [X] Negotiation
    [x] Plan Split Three Ways
    -[x]Tyranshal's Distillation
    --[x]Go Further Beyond [3 BPs]
    -[x]Rain
    -[x] Save the rest of our BP for the Tribulation and Immortal Awakening
    [X] High Hand of the Norn [Fate, Battle]
    -[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
    [X] Tyranshal's Distillation [Blood, Battle]
    -[X] Go Further Beyond [3 BPs]
 
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I'm not particularly moved by any arguments focussing on long-term potential: Nameless isn't a megalomaniac at heart. As long as he can settle down in (overwhelming, impossible) comfort without a Sword of Damocles hanging over him, I imagine he'd be happy to retire.

Looking at the options with that in mind, then:

Rain is very, very tempting. Having our faithful friend do all the work in destroying the Fates (and Zang Kong) is the most Nameless thing imaginable. It also explicitly renders her immune to a huge amount of esoteric abilities - to the point of being entirely comparable to the Ring of Might in that regard, even.

If it's something that stops her from saving our life, she ignores it, unless it's "not having enough power", which likely obviates any back door killswitches the Fates may have placed on our trusty retainer.

The Ring... well, it's certainly thematic as all hell, and gaining outright immunity to loss through a schemer causing the collapse of nations is very relevant to our interests.

The "shocking amorality" it causes in those that see it is an issue, though - especially since with the battlesuit, we're definitely going to be relying on others. There's no need to doomsay either, of course - I imagine undiminished elves are highly resistant, and immunity to esoteric effects greatly reduces the chances of anyone actually managing to steal it.

The real question is if Nameless wants to live in a xianxia pastiche forever, but then, he hasn't seemed to mind so far...

Distillation... if power was not a concern, if the Fates and Kong were already dealt with, and we had the free pick of these options for the epilogue, Distillation would unquestionably be my pick.

It's the option that leaves behind by far the biggest legacy, the option most able to keep all our social connections relevant into the far future, and it's just plain fun.

Alas, we're not blessed with such a world - Distillation provides both the lowest boost in stages and no special esoteric immunities. If I'm convinced that we have sufficient chances win despite these limitations, I'd likely vote for it anyway - but for now, my vote goes for:

[X] Rain - Many months ago, a boy who was the Nameless Scion of Yong considered the construction a weapon for his bodyguard, a girl with eyes of blue whose sword-strokes fell like rain. Victim to indolence, it was never begun, nothing more than an idle daydream. The boy became a man, the dream became a memory, the memory became an ideal, and the ideal became a sword.
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs] - A smith puts down his hammer at the conclusion of his greatest work because he knows he will never again attain the heights he once reached. This option will permanently sunder the Grand Diagram, Forge of the Nameless One, and prevent its erasure or occupation by any other Diagram. Nor will Nameless' Artifice ever again be able to produce another weapon, or even a blade made in jest. Neither Truth nor All Paths can overcome this deficit, for he who wanders All Paths must be free to sacrifice permanently, and some sacrifices are irrevocably True.
[x] Annihilation
 
[X] Tyranshal's Distillation [Blood, Battle] - It was the insight of Sage Tyranshal that blood, essence of life, could be spent to empower the spells of the Diagram. But it was entirely theoretical speculation that this empowerment of the essence was not limited to the Diagram alone. For one who is Thrice-Great, the border between theoretical and actual is liminal indeed. Just as the Sign of Flesh can sculpt the material corpus, the Sign of Blood can alter and enhance the underlying quintessence, of which the physical form is but the grossest emanation.
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs] - Blood calls to blood. Recursive enhancement & distillation via abuse of the Nebula Battlesuit allows Nameless to reach a local optimum whereby the quality of his augmented blood is sufficient to support his corpus against its own overflowing strength. As above, but Nameless gains the equivalent of 2 full Cultivation Stages instead, and emptying his reserves quintuples the effects of the previous 100% draw. Integration of Nameless' blood within the structure of the Nebula Battlesuit improves its Loyalty modifier by + (to +++) and its power modifier by +.25 stages (to +.75).
[X] Annihilation


My own damn fault for mentioning the sparkles, isn't it? Oh well, the description is cool enough to make up for it. Not that the others aren't cool too, but the Ring of Might feels a bit too much like a hammer - in that it makes every problem look like a nail - and while Suizhen is a good girl that deserves all the hugs (and getting to personally slit Zang's throat), the max option demands a hefty chunk of our Artificing prowess. Brb while I cleanse my mind of the scene where Nameless tells her she's the only sword he'll ever need.

...Besides, it's just so Nameless to immediately abuse the Battlesuit right after creating it to make the Grand Diagram even better.
 
My second thought was that maybe giving millions (billions?) of people so much power that they can destroy the world by snapping their fingers is a bad idea. But hey, it'd be interesting at least.
Well they're noble as fuck, to the point where they'd sacrifice themselves by the thousands to save one human child. If anything, giving them all immense power would actually give them a survival chance in this dickish world.
 
Yeah, the way I see it, as bad as the cost of EFB Rain is... Honestly, the upside is that the cost is paid entirely upfront (Nebula no longer works for anyone but Suzhen, Forge of the Nameless One's bullshit hax breaks for eternity and we can never get another Grand Diagram of Fate).

But, and here's the key word. The costs are up front and honest. And it doesn't actually break Thrice Great so much as nerf it a little bit. We can't ever make Weapons through Artifice anymore, and we lose the x4 multiplier to our forging speed and the +1.5 stage bonus--but let's be honest, a steadily declining bonus to the Stages of our artifice isn't a critical sacrifice I think.

We basically make the most noble idealist invincible sword princess into what is also the perfect ruler, who combines invincible power with keen insight and wisdom. That Nameless' personal strength doesn't actually increase too much is secondary to the fact that he can just... Delegate the responsible parts of being a bullshit superhuman to his transcendent bodyguard who now has effectively unbreakable mutual loyalty.

[X] Rain
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Annihilate.


And that's it right there.

My opinion? When the enemy is rigging the board against you, you don't assume that you can beat them with one easy trick. EFB Distillation? Basically gives them a way to instantly make the Heroine a peer to us the moment we spread it around (And it doesn't give us enough power to assuredly win otherwise). Loyalty 9 sounds like a lot until you're looking at Perfect Effects. "Any chance that's above zero I can make happen 100% of the time" seems a realistic power to expect from the guys who literally control the dice of fate.

EFB Ring? When Nameless' dad literally is a Hero of the Age (And thus, a fated Enemy of ours), who specializes in bullshit cheats and has had our entire youth to prep Nameless for a downfall? The fall of the Mighty is inevitably in the form of cunning and daggers in the night, and he seems primed to exploit that. Nameless might be free from Fate, but only while his summoning is intact, and calling forth such shades tends to be perilous as it risks them becoming true in the present.

EFB Rain? The prices are harsh--but also up front. There's no hidden catches, no hidden traps, just taking a permanent punch on the chin and a recognition that our own power is unneccessary.

More importantly?

This means that Kong can't just collateral damage us by destroying the planet, because Suzhen has that conceptual "Protects Nameless even against esoteric attack vectors". This means we can do our Immortal Tribulation safely because Suzhen serves as a dao protector who keeps it all contained.

It's a hefty price up front, but solves a lot of our obvious threat vectors.
 
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So, Might gets boosted 8 steps, and at its base boosts 1 stage of physical strength... I have no idea how that works out, but it probably clears the otherwise fairly massive power difference between Distillation and the other options, by raising at least one extra stage of physical strength. Admittedly, a stage of physical strength is not the same as a holistic stage, but eh.

Unfortunately, increased physical strength just isn't very useful once you get past Stage 15 (infinite strength), unless you have some way to apply higher cardinalities of infinity in battle it just doesn't offer the same comprehensive stage-leaping ability as before.

Rain takes our long term potential, takes it behind the shed and then shoots it in the face.

I wouldn't go that far. It removes one Grand Diagram and the ability to craft one class of items in exchange for massively boosting Suizhen's Dao. More accurately it trades your long-term potential for Suizhen's at a profitable rate.

Why bother taking risks? We should keep our eyes on the prize: this plan has enough power to slaughter all of our enemies through sheer overwhelming might (very xianxia!), avoids shifting Nameless' personality any further/destroying his relationships with other people, and boosts Suizhen while it's at it. What's not to love? It also entirely obviates any risk from Immortal Awakening: we simply don't need it due to our subordinate.

Well, Xiaoling probably won't be too happy. And she was doing so well too...

[X] Tyranshal's Distillation [Blood, Battle]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Negotiation


Distillation is so clearly the best option here it hurts. We can either gain the ability to buff even harder, +2 stages of power, and a scaling army who we can probably leach with veil of maya; cripple thrice great for an easy win; or become generic xianxia guy and give up Immortality for super-titanhood like that one guy everyone in the thread wants to murder.

Note that the Embrace does not actually raise the cultivation talent / speed of the targets, it's a flat boost. They certainly can find ways to increase their strength, it just doesn't offer them any naturally.

I imagine undiminished elves are highly resistant

Aurelia: "In place of a dark lord you would have a queen! Beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Treacherous as the sea! Stronger than the foundations of the earth! All shall love me and despair!"

Nameless: "Are you done yet?"

Aurelia: "No... I pass the test. I will remain undiminished, and go into the West and remain Aurelia."

Nameless: *bops her forehead* "As opposed to what? Aurelia with the power of a Soul Chrysalis-level Cultivator?"

Aurelia: *pouting* "Meanie! I'm not sharing my sandwich with you!"

Nameless: "Day 1821 of bearing the Ring of Might. With each passing hour I further understand the weight of the immense responsibility that has been placed upon my shoulders. The decision to show earth media to my companions on this world continues to bear severe consequences. Heavy lies the crown, indeed."

Aurelia: "Darling, are we ever going to watch those 'animes' you so enjoy?"
 
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I wouldn't go that far. It removes one Grand Diagram and the ability to craft one class of items in exchange for massively boosting Suizhen's Dao. More accurately it trades your long-term potential for Suizhen's at a profitable rate.

Ah, about that.
Do we lose the ability to forge swords only, or all bladed weapons period?
I wean, do glaives count as swords on a long stick, for example?

Ah, sorry, didn't read carefully.

So what constitutes as a weapon then?
Does a sharp-edged shovel count?
A construction hammer?
A paper fan?
 
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This means that Kong can't just collateral damage us by destroying the planet, because Suzhen has that conceptual "Protects Nameless even against esoteric attack vectors". This means we can do our Immortal Tribulation safely because Suzhen serves as a dao protector who keeps it all contained.

It's a hefty price up front, but solves a lot of our obvious threat vectors.
Hah! That makes it even better! :3
 
I hope that the mastered Ring of Truth still being our phylactery will help us handle the Tribulation, if we do end up having go through with it.
 
It's my first time! So please be gentle.

Prelude to Apocalypse
~It's the Final Countdooown~

Final stretch, moment of truth, etc. Not only are we carrying the hopes of this Age, but all of those who came before. Was anyone ever this close? Did anyone ever have the opportunity to strike against the Fates themselves? Can their servants, Overlords of a previous Age, watch us from on high? We are doing it, using the gifts of the self-styled Divinities to bring them down, to sate our Vengeance. It's time.
For seventy-seven days the Nameless One toiled, crafting a suit of armor as the world had never before seen. Deep in the fires of his man-cave he labored to forge a master-weapon, vessel by which Might itself could be imbued into a willing subject. Into this work he poured his sloth, his decadence, and his desire to procrastinate on all things...

But first, humorous narration! It's a shame we will never get one of those we make an actual Ring, it'd probably be an way better spoof. If only we'd actually pour Spoiled into it...

The elevation of a loyal ally to a realm even higher than his own would justify his indolence even as it bound them to his cause utterly.

Man, we are getting a real bad rep here. It's efficient! Elegant! Inspired! Not something that merely "justifies our indolence". Bah!

One suit to doom the Fates, one suit to find them, one suit to bring them all, in darkness forevermore confine them. In the land of his man-cave where the five-o' clock shadow lies...

Hey, we aren't using the Suit to find them at all! I demand a refund! I want a better Ring poem! Suit Poem? Whatever!

Nameless looked up from his anvil. "Stop narrating."

From insatiable teaser to frequent victim, married life has changed Nameless much. He finally has someone that annoys him just as much as he annoys everybody else! Truly a Tribulation for our intrepid hero.

Aurelia pouted. "You didn't like my impression?"

"I should never have showed you those movies. The books were better."
Good to see Nameless and Aurelia spending leisure time together. It humanizes their relationship a lot more and shows that they actually treasure each other's company. It's the sort of relationship Titanic Cultivators may never have, and sometimes willingly give up for more power. The privilege of not being bound to any one Way. All Paths may have been the best thing we purchased this whole Quest.
"But they're adorable, just like me!" She struck a cutesy pose.

"You're not Galadriel," he said patiently. "For one thing, she's even older than you are."

"Of course!" She exclaimed pertly. "That old hag can't hold a candle to me. I'm beautiful, wise, a natural genius & beloved by all!"


"At least Galadriel needed the Ring to go on an ego trip."

"Merely another point in my favor," She said haughtily, splaying fingers across her chest so that Majesty glinted in the forge-light.

Lol, Nameless forgetting she already has a Ring. And I agree with her, she's way better then Galadriel. She's actually useful and can actually use her supposedly awesome powers on-screen, for starters!

"I see a few weeks without my undivided attention has driven you mad. Is it grief? Worry not, I'm almost finished."

"May I see?" She peeked tentatively over his shoulder. "I wonder what my Dao shall be..."

Does the spiritual perfection of undiminished Elves affect their possible Reality Effects in any way, I wonder? It's part the reason why they can't Cultivate, so what would it do when forcibly elevated to a level beyond a Titan?

"Dao of ripping off Cate Blanchett?"

"Dao of making you a sandwich!" She crammed a sandwich into his mouth.

"Dwao ofh Narchichissm." He methodically chewed and swallowed. Truth be told, it was extremely delicious.

"Dao of being a wonderful & loving wife, princess, and (eventual) mother!"

"...You don't need a Dao for that."

Aurelia blushed. "Darling has been working too hard. Come here, I have a surprise for you..."

Nameless uses Compliment! It's super effective! Critical Hit!

More seriously, their banter is always very cute.

...Eventually, despite interminable distractions, the Nebula Battlesuit was finally completed.

Bow chicka bow wow.

Nameless gazed upon his magnum opus with no small satisfaction. Its thunderhead-grey surface was inscribed with tightly packed sigils of the Diagram, sharp menace apparent in every meticulously-calligraphed line and dot, and all but glowering with the blue of Truth, a subdual emanation more hum than glare. She who donned its mantle would be dystopia made flesh, the iron fist of his policy, her boot stomping on the face of the so-called Divines for all eternity.

Man, this really looks like the armor the Evil Overlord's chief underling. It makes anyone into the equivalent of our very own Darth Vader! With the looks to match, no less. Could we really have made any other choice? It's a classic for a reason, people!

He was famished, his essence depleted, mind and marrow entombed by weariness. His hammer fell from nerveless fingers and was replaced by the Scepter in a tenuous grip. He made his way to the staging area where Suizhen had captured innumerable Titanic beasts in preparation for this day. Their cultivation bases would feed him, restore him to the fullness of his power, and he never intended to work so hard again.

Come on, motivate yourself a little more, Nameless! You are so close!

In other news, Suizhen stronk. Herding a group of innumerable Titanic beasts like they are cattle. Man, she's grown so much. Also, the Scepter continues to be fucking amazing. Flawless transfer of essence is OP; imagine it with EFB Distillation! Unlimited Essence Works, people.
While the elven empire had experienced a renaissance under an aegis of unimpeachable might, the Empire of his birth was spinning out of control like a top knocked free of its axis. The meandering pace of disintegration, once so leisurely as to be almost unnoticeable, had accelerated to a precarious rate. Instability visibly frayed the exterior seams of empire; Overgrowth, banditry, and inter-sect strife claimed lives without surcease, and yet Yong Shen did nothing. Like as not the Emperor welcomed death, and the people cried out for a savior.

Wow, that was a quick escalation; not surprising considering the active efforts of Yong Liefang, but still. It seems that despite our culling of the Overgrowth, it's still a major problem. Even worse is that apathetic Emperor; how much easier would our job be if he gave even a single fuck.
One was forthcoming, but the Overlord would not countenance her rise.

Just Shoot them was clearly the more pragmatic option, one that did not risk defeat by playing a rigged game; I'm glad it won. Now, for Vengeance.

If an empire's strength was its cultivators, then the Labyrinth had already been gutted. Zang Kong slumbered, Yong Shen was silent, and the Emperor was a hollow shell of a man. None could save the nation if it plummeted much further along its current course, and only the Emperor was obligated to try. There was the titan of the Sects blithely conquering her rivals, but Nameless had little idea of her disposition and a singular stage I Titan was not power enough to stand against the Fates.

How petty does the affairs of the Empire seem from our lofty perch; people fighting and killing for the supremacy of a decadent Age, puppets in the strings of the Fates. It's tragic, and almost amusing. Even more so for it's frequency, for how many Ages had such turmoil, such bloodshed, before they were snuffed out? It's a surprising cruelty, to give false hope to another.

But he was not out of time yet. The Labyrinth Empire could, by virtue of its sheer enormous inertia, stumble on for two to three more years even if its collapse accelerated according to his worst estimates. The Dao Reserve of Yong would or would not move, but a Clan was more than its Dao Reserve. Even if the mountain stood still, to press against it was folly.

No such thing as too big to fail, sadly. Hope fully this last breath of the giant gives us enough time. Yong might just be the anchor of the Empire here, which makes Yong Liefang's machinations all the more concerning.
Nameless would not give the fates two years. He would not give the Heroine the chance to awaken with the nations of the world like punch-drunk servants toppled at her feet. One month to finish his preparations. One month to marshal all his powers, and then the forces of the Overlord would spring out from the West to bring earth and Heaven alike under his thrall.

Can't win a game if you are dead, a flawless maxim. Strike where and when they least expect it.

He found Suizhen in the training yards, practicing as she so often did.

"Sir!" She sprang over, alight with excitement. "Is it ready?"


He schooled his features into careful dejection. "Suizhen. I'm sorry... I failed. It was too hard. I gave up."
Now, Nameless, that's just cruel. It's like kicking a puppy, it's just so eager to trust you.

She gasped, dumbstruck. "S-sir..." Her blade fell from listless hands.

But before it could strike the ground, she'd already recovered, steely determination flashing in her eyes.

"Don't worry Sir, I will just train even harder! Titanic Ascension isn't far. I'll reach however many stages it takes to protect you!"

Suizhen's determination is admirable, really. When the might works of her charge fail, she doesn't even hesitate to pick up the slack herself; If she applies this diligence to other fields, I'm sure she could make an admirable ruler.

Nameless shook his head. "No, I truly have failed... in raising a bodyguard that can detect even the simplest of scams!"

He chortled, withdrawing the Nebula Battlesuit. "Behold, the solution to all our problems! Well, until someone tries to sell you a bridge..."

I guess we will just do things the hard way for once, eh Nameless? Imagine actually teaching someone the old fashioned way; I know it's hard for you, but we can manage it together.

Suizhen stamped the ground petulantly. "Sir, that is not fair! I have been improving, Sir knows it. I was just so worried about Sir!"

"And that is precisely when your enemies will strike," Nameless lectured. "Illusion and deception are two distinct things. Your eyes can pierce the former, but the latter relies on cunning alone."

"The latter relies on an open mouth," Suizhen declared confidently. "And my Sword shall solve that before they can utter a word. Speaking of which, who shall we strike first, Sir? Zang Kong, or the Heavens?"
So cute!

Also, Suizhen seems familiar with the classic murderhobo solution already, but it's far from flawless. You have to actually know they are an enemy, for one, otherwise you will remain completely oblivious. It's not always clear you need to roll Join Battle, you know?

Nameless pointed skyward. "I'd like to remove their interference as soon as possible. We also have to worry about people prematurely waking your Patriarch, which is why I'll be on alert as soon as you set off. Once my preparations are complete, I should be able to keep the Elven Kingdom alive even if he wipes out the rest of the world. Afterwards, we'll decide what to do with Zang Kong."

Yeah, stopping a premature awakening of Zang Kong is priority number zero; It makes our lives far more complicated. Good thing we truespelled Open the Way!

Suizhen shifted uncomfortably. "Sir already knows my feelings on the matter."

"Yes," Nameless nodded. "I'm strongly inclined to let you cut him down. But the trillions dwelling within him are innocent, if they exist as he claims. I'd like to avoid obliterating them. There's no telling what will happen if we take out the sky over their heads. He was a hopeful idealist once. If rehabilitation is possible, I'd like to attempt it."

Ah, the very annoying wonders of unverifiable hostage taking. If only I knew how to find that baby armor comic panel, you know the one I'm talking about. Very ballsy, in a sense.

Suizhen smiled sadly. "Now who is the one being scammed? The Patriarch of my clan is an idealist still. He has simply discarded every part of himself that is not the ideal. How many has he murdered in pursuit of his goals? Did he show them the mercy that Sir now extends?"

The perils of Titanic Cultivation; slowly becoming a mockery of yourself, increasingly bound, increasingly inflexible, until you can see nothing but your Dao. Ideal given form. And humans, humans are very far from the ideal.

Nameless nodded in resignation. "If his head is the price of your blade, then I won't stand in the way of your vengeance. Say the word and his life is forfeit."

She pouted. "Without Sir the prospect of my vengeance would be an empty dream. If Sir asks it, I will of course defer to your judgement in this. How can there be things such as prices and favors between us?"

"Ah, trying to get out of the money you owe me? Maybe you're not so hopeless after all..."

"As a bodyguard, I have to be a quick learner. It's because my boss is so lazy."

So, due to her loyalty, the choice is ours. To kill or to spare. To slay the greatest hero of the Age of Might or to preserve him for the times to come. To serve our friendship, or serve our morals, shriveled and meager as they are.

Also, it's a touching moment and a symbol of the evolution of our friendship that she is willing to do away with any price tags. She isn't doing this out of any sort of obligation anymore.

As for the Fates, their destiny is pre-ordained, extermination or worse at Suizhen's hand. Star and firmament alike yields to the Sky-Splitting Blade; your teacher's vengeance will be realized at last. Assuming you don't screw up at this final juncture.

Hah, to have the Fates themselves face an inescapable doom. How ironic.

But Zang Kong: once Hero of the Age, once a man you could easily have found it within yourself to admire, now twisted into the monster at the Overgrowth's center, the Elder Beast of Reason. Having seen both his past and present selves, there are perhaps none so qualified as Nameless to deliver the verdict: what must be done with Zang Kong?

Man, it really is just such a stark contrast, isn't it? Someone once so vivacious and with stars on his eyes reduced so such a sorry state; not a man, but a Elder Beast of Reason, abandoning any pretense to the contrary. how far one can fall in the pursuit of Might.

1039 Words, almost forgot.

as for my vote:

[X] Tyranshal's Distillation [Blood, Battle]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Negotiation


Will argue for this later, but please, do not just go making decisions that may impact trillions with haste. And a Dicey fight with Zang Kong matters much less if we negotiate.
 
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Don't you want to make Xiaoling a blood-sister? We'd be able to visit the parents with Aurelia, knowing that our second had defending the elves covered. We could confront our father and let him bow before our superior scam. Check up on poor ill grandfather and fix him up. Then we can climb on his shoulders and be ready for our tribulation (we've got to maintain the statistical correlation of mountains and tribulations after all).
 
Out of the three EFBs, Rain is actually the highest buff to base power, since it raises Suizhen 3.5 stages more above Nameless to 18.
(I think Nameless is still at 14.)
Then High Hand of the Norns raises Nameless to 17, and Suizhen to 17.5.
Finally, Tyranshal's Distillation raises Nameless to 16 and Suizhen to 16.75, but also allows Nameless to send out endless Stage 15 armies, though this is probably not relevant because xianxia only cares about top-level battle strength. However, it also quadruples the effects of Potentiation, so now non-direct attack and defense spells get 8 steps bonus. (the direct bonus hardly matters, because I think we only have Mordant Fire as an attack spell, and even boosted 4 stages, it is irrelevant.) Anyway, stack that on Prodigious Might and Quickening, I'm not sure anything else gets the buff.
So, Might gets boosted 8 steps, and at its base boosts 1 stage of physical strength... I have no idea how that works out, but it probably clears the otherwise fairly massive power difference between Distillation and the other options, by raising at least one extra stage of physical strength. Admittedly, a stage of physical strength is not the same as a holistic stage, but eh.
So with EFB we have a Stage 16, a 16.75 and a limitless number of Stage 15.75s.
With Rain we have a Stage 14 and a Stage 18.
With Might we have a Stage 17 and a Stage 17.5.
Hey @Rihaku , how many Stage 15.75 dudes would it take for EFB to equal Rain in raw combat power? If Nameless harvests a bunch to get to 16.25 (Which is a thing, with Necromancy!) Then EFB becomes a 16.25, a 17 and endless 16s. How many mooks would we need then?

Alternatively, how many mooks in either case would we need to comfortably take on Zang Kong?
 
So... everyone is scared of Might's Ring. Color me unsurprised, on the precipice of victory you believe you have accrued power enough to breeze over the finish line. But with Nameless at only 16 Stages and Suizhen at 16.75, there are so many things that could go wrong! If Zang Kong breaks free and Suizhen is occupied, is Nameless to face the most experienced and intelligent Cultivator of the Age with a .4 stage deficit and no knowledge of Kong's ultimate techniques?

Even if Suizhen is involved, .35 stages of supremacy is a thin margin indeed, scarcely enough to reliably deliver victory. One uncontrolled attack in a fight of that magnitude could easily erase the world, to say nothing of its empires, and that those you Embraced would survive the ordeal might not constitute enough of this Age to bring in another.

Rain provides a buffer of safety, that of pure power, but even it is not completely immune to some unexpected contingency. Suizhen is Nameless' bodyguard, not the world's. On the other hand, Might both ensures you will not fall save by strength greater than your own, and sees to it that none of your enemies can match your strength. In the face of that certainty, is the inconvenience of its downside really a decisive factor?

It is Might and Might alone that guarantees victory for certain. And this should surprise no one. Is it not written on the Ring itself? It is given to Might alone, to decide who shall rule.

So with EFB we have a Stage 16, a 16.75 and a limitless number of Stage 15.75s.
With Rain we have a Stage 14 and a Stage 18.
With Might we have a Stage 17 and a Stage 17.5.
Hey @Rihaku , how many Stage 15.75 dudes would it take for EFB to equal Rain in raw combat power? If Nameless harvests a bunch to get to 16.25 (Which is a thing, with Necromancy!) Then EFB becomes a 16.25, a 17 and endless 16s. How many mooks would we need then?

Alternatively, how many mooks in either case would we need to comfortably take on Zang Kong?

They would be Stage 15, since Nameless is Stage 16. As for how many Stage 15s it would take to equal one Stage 18... about the number of Ego Barrier acolytes it would take to equal one Dao Cleaving expert. Optimistically a million (if they have some kind of EFB Teamwork Formation and access to Truespell Quickening) but realistically even an infinite number would not so much as scratch Dao Cleaving.

Also, remember that Nameless isn't willing to raise his actual Cultivation level right now since it will trigger Immortal Awakening, so he can't experiment with recursive powerup loops.
 
I am actually tempted by The Might option but that's just me that got himself used to average xianxia protagonist.

But...I played VTM: Bloodlines several times these days so...

[X] Tyranshal's Distillation [Blood, Battle]
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs]
[X] Negotiation
 
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