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[X] Rain - Many months ago, a boy who was the Nameless Scion of Yong considered the construction a weapon for his bodyguard, a girl with eyes of blue whose sword-strokes fell like rain. Victim to indolence, it was never begun, nothing more than an idle daydream. The boy became a man, the dream became a memory, the memory became an ideal, and the ideal became a sword.
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs] - A smith puts down his hammer at the conclusion of his greatest work because he knows he will never again attain the heights he once reached. This option will permanently sunder the Grand Diagram, Forge of the Nameless One, and prevent its erasure or occupation by any other Diagram. Nor will Nameless' Artifice ever again be able to produce another weapon, or even a blade made in jest. Neither Truth nor All Paths can overcome this deficit, for he who wanders All Paths must be free to sacrifice permanently, and some sacrifices are irrevocably True.
[X] Annihilation

Very fitting and thematic closure plus Suizhen is a good girl who deserves her revenge
 
Kind of. Your cultivation base is currently capped right below Immortal Awakening since you don't want to trigger Tribulation. That's why you're looking for effects that raise your power level without actually raising your Cultivation base a stage.
 
Ahh, that's why.

The Fates really don't want Nameless to become an Immortal. What with the one thing that gives us power over them being something that torpedoes the likelyhood of achieving such a thing given how it re-aspects Nameless towards the Titanic Cultivation side. (Which makes sense, from what we know, an Immortal basically can't be killed by anything less than a Cycle of Ages bent to their destruction, a Titan can be killed through any means capable of outmaneuvering or destroying it). And so they permit the acquisition of a Fate Battle Diagram 'On the house', becuase it means that even if we have greater temporal power, we're still technically mortal and can die if the right chain of events can be lined up.

If I were to speculate? It's that they're playing a very long game. They may very well be Immortals themselves, who barred the way after ascension...

Huh, if that's the case, then isn't it actually impossible to kill them? Even if we were to wish them dead, they'd just go "Welp, nope, that's beyond our power, sorry!"
 
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Rihaku said:
Kind of. Your cultivation base is currently capped right below Immortal Awakening since you don't want to trigger Tribulation. That's why you're looking for effects that raise your power level without actually raising your Cultivation base a stage.
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Tribulation means we might have to spend BP to get through it if we're not powerful enough (or even if we are, due to level scaling or smth), right?

So...if we really wanted to invest BP in Immortal Awakening, wouldn't it perhaps be possible to...

[x] Plan Split Three Ways
-[x]Tyranshal's Distillation
--[x]Go Further Beyond [3 BPs]
-[x]Rain
--[x] Go Further Beyond [3 BPs]
-[x] Save the rest of our BP for the Tribulation and Immortal Awakening
 
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Becoming Cain sounds pretty damn neat. I wonder if anyone with sufficiently inferior cultivation counts as helpless, and if that's the case, could we simply infect the Heroine and turn her? I'm sure there's a million reasons why this is a terrible plan, but I really like collecting exotic murderous waifus. For more regular characters, its simply vast power coupled to perfect loyalty. Downsides of having crazy elves or crazy girls or crazy gods with almost our level of power are rife, but could be mitigated by just telling them to behave. Nigh-perfect loyalty might be a weird mix with Elves, though, since they can't prossibly change their own nature.
On the other hand, we're essentially guaranteed to get punked by vampire hunters with this route, and I don't want nameless to get eaten by his adoptive abominations.

I'm inclined to believe that the Swordmaiden would be a fine answer to the esoteric plot armor of the Heroine. A broadly applicable EFB combat Dao seems like it should have an answer to most forms of defense or evasion. Suizhen is relentlessly adorable to the chagrin of Xiaoling, and ascending her into Guyver-Suizhen sounds fun. Shame that our forgotten best friend won't be able to follow her into invincibility, but maybe this'll help those green eyes along. Limiting the armor to swordy lady means we can't keep Aurelia in it, making her safety less absolute. If we can include our wife in the aegis of Suizhen's duties, then that'd be no problem.

Might probably allows us to just smush all our problems, but as Alectai pointed out, this does sound like a scheme to lock us out of Immortality. The downside is a real bummer. On the other hand, we'd have a ring on the other hand!

Salty's plan is neat. We really don't need the EFB blade to buff Suizhen, she's pleanty strong enough with the FB blade and the armor. Additionally, the FB Distillation is already an enormous boost, and would be enough to make me feel confident about progressing towards immortality.
It's a bit of a shame to miss the chance to massively warp our personality again, I was kinda looking forward to swearing undying loyalty to another waifu on the side.
 
Salty said:
Tribulation means we might have to spend BP to get through it if we're not powerful enough (or even if we are, due to level scaling or smth), right?

So...if we really wanted to invest BP in Immortal Awakening, wouldn't it perhaps be possible to...

[x] Plan Split Three Ways
-[x]Tyranshal's Distillation
--[x]Go Further Beyond [3 BPs]
-[x]Rain
--[x] Go Further Beyond [3 BPs]
-[x] Save the rest of our BP for the Tribulation and Immortal Awakening
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You don't currently have any information on what Tribulation entails or how to survive it IIRC
 
It's worth noting that, unless I'm misunderstanding, the Ring of Might's existence is reliant on the Battle Diagram. Just as we can stop our Quickening, we could disable the High Hand of the Norn and dismiss the Ring, keeping it from tempting anyone.
 
Orm Embar said:
It's worth noting that, unless I'm misunderstanding, the Ring of Might's existence is reliant on the Battle Diagram. Just as we can stop our Quickening, we could disable the High Hand of the Norn and dismiss the Ring, keeping it from tempting anyone.
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Practically speaking, I don't think it's that easy. Rings leave their mark even if they don't stay in your possession.
 
Orm Embar said:
It's worth noting that, unless I'm misunderstanding, the Ring of Might's existence is reliant on the Battle Diagram. Just as we can stop our Quickening, we could disable the High Hand of the Norn and dismiss the Ring, keeping it from tempting anyone.
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You do live in the land of the incorruptible Elves, for your day-to-day life it's not that big a deal. You can just wear the Ring and have Suizhen kill your enemies for you, which was pretty much the original plan anyway.
 
Rihaku said:
You do live in the land of the incorruptible Elves, for your day-to-day life it's not that big a deal. You can just wear the Ring and have Suizhen kill your enemies for you, which was pretty much the original plan anyway.
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Not all of them though, any diminished Elf is probably vulnerable and who knows how much that number will grow in the future.
 
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Distillation:
>It allows us to cast spells six level of Cultivation above ours(two from buff and 4*1 from super amp). lol
>Vampires for days. Also army of super loyal people because why not

Rain
>mfw people who whined about BK costing too much will unironically vote for this
>mfw I have no face

Ring
>fucking called its effects yo
>pretty strong

Any chance we get a glimps of how would BK look like Rihaku? I know you don't usually do this kind of stuff but I'm interesting in it's magnitude.

As for other guys - actual big balls play here is to spend 3BP on Distilation, survive Tribulation with that alone and then have enough BPs to EFB IA and end the game like a fucking champ. So without further ado:

Plan Resist minor shinies to get major shinies:

[X] Negotiation
[X] Tyranshal's Distillation [Blood, Battle]
-[X] Go Further Beyond [3 BPs]
 
literally be cain

rihaku y u so gud 2 us


Distillation is amazing. It gets us the power we need to kill the Fates (Stage 16+). It makes our underlings perpetually useful. It gets us a perpetual source of essence thanks to the Scepter. It makes us the goddamn Father of Vampires. I want this so much. I will start writing reactions myself to get this. It's so goddamn cool. Let's do this.
 
BrainInAJar said:
literally be cain

rihaku y u so gud 2 us


Distillation is amazing. It gets us the power we need to kill the Fates (Stage 16+). It makes our underlings perpetually useful. It gets us a perpetual source of essence thanks to the Scepter. It makes us the goddamn Father of Vampires. I want this so much. I will start writing reactions myself to get this. It's so goddamn cool. Let's do this.
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I must admit that notion of elf vampires is metal as fuck.

But I still say that only using FB to be able to EFB IA is only way a gentleman of taste would vote here.
 
Why do you care about undiminished elves acting like douchebags? Even if they successfully stole the Ring (they can't, it disappears when you stop maintaining the spell) you'd still be fathomlessly more powerful than them.
 
The Ring of Might would grant us 3 stages worth of Physical, mental and spiritual power. We don't know what shape the Tribulation will take, so in order to maximize our chances of survival, I am leaning toward the Ring that grants us strength in all three realms.

The drawbacks are entirely manageable, since it seems like Nameless prefers the elf lands with his love of luxury and they are extremely well suited to resist the temptations.
 
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Wolfy said:
I must admit that notion of elf vampires is metal as fuck.
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You. I like you.

Wolfy said:
But I still say that only using FB to be able to EFB IA is only way a gentleman of taste would vote here.
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Going for the flex is most fine, I just think vampires are cool enough to be worth it.

DkArthas said:
The Ring of Might would grant us 3 stages worth of Physical, mental and spiritual power. We don't know what shape the Tribulation will take, so in order to maximize our chances of survival, I am leaning toward the Ring that grants us strength in all three realms.
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imagine being stuck in a chinese web novel for all time

why would you do that
 
Rihaku said:
Why do you care about undiminished elves acting like douchebags? Even if they successfully stole the Ring (they can't, it disappears when you stop maintaining the spell) you'd still be fathomlessly more powerful than them.
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Say Rihaku, how does Distillation works with "two steps" thing for non-combat spells? Would they be eight steps improvement now? How would it work with Quickening or Might?

Also, just to make sure, two levels of Cultivation means just plus two to combat level, and not plus four because each of our current levels give us power equivalent of two ordinary levels.
DkArthas said:
The Ring of Might would grant us 3 stages worth of Physical, mental and spiritual power. We don't know what shape the Tribulation will take, so in order to maximize our chances of survival, I am leaning toward the Ring that grants us strength in all three realms.

The drawbacks are entirely manageable, since it seems like Nameless prefers the elf lands with his love of luxury and they are extremely well suited to resist the temptations.
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My dude, three stages are the least relevant part of that fucking thing.

Did you miss absolute immunity to esoteric effects used by weaker than us and ability to farm Reality Effects?
 
BrainInAJar said:
You. I like you.



Going for the flex is most fine, I just think vampires are cool enough to be worth it.



imagine being stuck in a chinese web novel for all time

why would you do that
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We are already stuck in one.


Anyway, let's remember our greatest weakness right now, our crippling vulnerability to the destruction of this world's Empires. We have ignored options that would have given us the power to resist it so far. Let's not ignore this one too.


All one has to do is destroy the empires to kill us, and considering how strong Kong is, it would be trivial for him to do so, potentially even while fighting us. I would prefer negotiating with him once we have become immune to our lose condition.
 
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Well, raw power is pretty important to Nameless right now, since he'd prefer to realize his objectives without triggering Immortal Tribulation at all if possible. That would minimize the risk of some unforeseen complication, after all he doesn't know of anyone who's successfully become an Immortal before. Therefore it would behoove you to consider the relative power levels of the options:

Tyranshal's Distillation [EFB]: 14 + 2 = 16 Stages for Nameless + heavily augmented buff spells (Quickening x14), 16.75 for Battlesuit Wielder
Rain [EFB]: 14 + 4 = 18 (!) Stages for Suizhen + Bodyguard Effect
Might [EFB]: 14 + 3 = 17 Stages for Nameless + Immune to Loss Condition, 17.5 for Battlesuit Wielder
Rain [FB] + Distillation [FB]: 14 + .75 + 1 = 15.75 Stages for Nameless, 16.25 for Suizhen

Assuming the Fates' Heavenly forms are stage 15.9 and Zang Kong is stage 16.4, Might offers the most comprehensive coverage + reliable disposal of enemies, Rain offers overwhelming strength to roflstomp but somewhat lower versatility, and Distillation has plenty of synergies and side benefits but a potentially chancy fight against Zang Kong. Taking two FBs alone would leave you in a precarious situation, potentially forcing Nameless to attempt Immortal Awakening after all.
 
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Rihaku said:
Why do you care about undiminished elves acting like douchebags? Even if they successfully stole the Ring (they can't, it disappears when you stop maintaining the spell) you'd still be fathomlessly more powerful than them.
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Well for one I'd like to be able to rule a society without accidentally turning a chunk of the people into chinese webnovel characters given how annoying it would be even if they can't harm us.

Having to clean up after all their plots would be irritating
 
[X] Rain - Many months ago, a boy who was the Nameless Scion of Yong considered the construction a weapon for his bodyguard, a girl with eyes of blue whose sword-strokes fell like rain. Victim to indolence, it was never begun, nothing more than an idle daydream. The boy became a man, the dream became a memory, the memory became an ideal, and the ideal became a sword.
-[X] Go Even Further Beyond [10 BPs] - A smith puts down his hammer at the conclusion of his greatest work because he knows he will never again attain the heights he once reached. This option will permanently sunder the Grand Diagram, Forge of the Nameless One, and prevent its erasure or occupation by any other Diagram. Nor will Nameless' Artifice ever again be able to produce another weapon, or even a blade made in jest. Neither Truth nor All Paths can overcome this deficit, for he who wanders All Paths must be free to sacrifice permanently, and some sacrifices are irrevocably True.
 
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