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[X] Annihilation
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Even Further Beyond [Complete]
- Thread starter Rihaku
- Start date
- Original
[X] Negotiation
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Its possible that Yong Shen is just dying. Of Old Age.
Could happen.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
So speculative stages of 'Cultivation turned into Mentalllics', built off the Diagram.
Ego Sword - Instead of forming will into a barrier, form it into a weapon, a thing to pierce that of others.
Mind Refinement - Instead of augmenting the body, augment the mind and hence empower the Ego.
Thought Chyrsalis - Where the Cultivator cultivates the body, the Mentallist forges raw thoughtstuff into form.
Mental Cleaving - The Mind made manifest, the Will pruned of inefficiencies.
Dream Forming - The Mentallist's thoughts have reached a point where his interior mind creates ever greater dreamed existences.
Solipsm - To carve away the thoughts of other and to refine the dreamed existences onto truth.
Ego Sword - Instead of forming will into a barrier, form it into a weapon, a thing to pierce that of others.
Mind Refinement - Instead of augmenting the body, augment the mind and hence empower the Ego.
Thought Chyrsalis - Where the Cultivator cultivates the body, the Mentallist forges raw thoughtstuff into form.
Mental Cleaving - The Mind made manifest, the Will pruned of inefficiencies.
Dream Forming - The Mentallist's thoughts have reached a point where his interior mind creates ever greater dreamed existences.
Solipsm - To carve away the thoughts of other and to refine the dreamed existences onto truth.
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I mean, actual argument here is EFB Artifact vs EFB Diagram.
I am somewhat partial to former; while we could try to fit square peg into a round hole, trying to force Diagram spell into doing one specific thing will still be awkward. Meanwhile, Artifacts are naturally better suited for being a problem solving tools.
I am somewhat partial to former; while we could try to fit square peg into a round hole, trying to force Diagram spell into doing one specific thing will still be awkward. Meanwhile, Artifacts are naturally better suited for being a problem solving tools.
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
- Location
- Chicago, IL
- Pronouns
- Any/All
This is an interesting take, but it feels too straightforwardly parallel to conventional cultivation, like it's almost just a particularly quirky heterodox style. I think that, we might preserve the progression through stages, but have be a natural, automatic sort of metamorphosis, since I imagine that might be more in line with Spring's rhetoric. Maybe something along these lines?
A Mind Opens - a contradiction of Ego Barrier, the psionicist's mind is opened to thoughts and perceptions it was previously impermeable to. A primarily sensorial, passive level. Almost universally, psionicists pass on to the next stage hours or days later.
A Mind Strives - freed of its confines, the mind of the psionicist expands, making connections faster and more cleverly than before, and is inevitably tempted to reach out and touch something in the new world it is growing into. Active powers such as probing and pushing the thoughts and emotions of others become available here. Some psionicist settle here, satisfied with an expanded consciousness, but most progress further after a few months of experimentation.
A Mind Reifies - Further experimentation with the stuff of minds brings the psionicist to new realizations about the structure minds in general, including their own. They tinker with their own mind's architecture, pruning off flaws and inserting novel features. Powers such as permanent personality modification (even of others) becomes available at this level, and the mental improvements of Strives compound themselves with the psionicists's ability to self-modify. Most psionicists settle here, comfortable with their mastery of the self, but a significant portion go further, usually after another few years of practice and experience.
A Mind Unifies - Having broken their own and other's minds down into their basic components and rebuilt them, one way and another, a realization appears to the psionicist. What is their self? Why do they want what they want? Their desires, their sense of self, are simple components in the machinery of their mind, clear as day for them to see, to change as they wish. Why should they allow these ordinary bits and pieces have such remarkable say over the greater machine? And so the psionicist once again looks outside for inspiration, and finds other minds, including the minds of other psionicists, and they see a truly grand machine, a beautiful mechanism with a beautiful purpose, and they think, why not try and be a part of something so beautiful? Joining this network of minds grants access to the accumulated skills, awareness, and counsel of each other member, as well as the ability to flee into the network should one's body become uninhabitable. This is the final stage of a psionicist's evolution, with all further development taking the form of the network's acquisition of new skills, magics, etc.
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- Location
- New York
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Annihilation
For our friend.
For our friend.
Lealope
Not yet invincible
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Resurrection is almost as good as rewinding time when it comes to cutting through the Gordian Knot of moral dilemmas. Sadly, it doesn't erase any pain felt but with a sufficiently swift death, there wouldn't be any pain to erase.
Giving it to Aurelia means not giving it to Suizhen when we're talking to Kong, which is something we'll need to do if negotiations go south considering we've still got the Eyes of Kong implanted. Better to pick up Truthspeak or something and directly break through any walls of denial he might put up.
EFB Diagram, almost certainly. The only use of Artifact is to make Suizhen stronger by giving her a sword but the Battlesuit adjusts her to be a half stage above our combat strength anyway so it's better to a doubled, Truespelled Diagram.
Also, I'd like to see what max loyalty looks like. Seems like it would be interesting.
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
- Location
- Chicago, IL
- Pronouns
- Any/All
I wouldn't trust Extirpation to be permanent removal for ZK. He is already pretty high level, and is entirely fine with maximum heterodoxy, so I suspect he'd eventually be able to figure out some way of continuing to level up even in the Outer Plane or wherever it was that Extirpation sent people. If we just wanted to buy more time to continue leveling up ourself, it seems like an alright option, I suppose.
Genesys
(Discrete Mokona)
- Location
- California
Xianxia-wise, accidentally wiping out some innocent mortals in a justified fight isn't even relevant at higher levels. Plus Zang Kong could always be bluffing. A stereotypical(mostly evil, but glorified) xianxia protagonist massacres clans over attacks against him, even when those clans are as innumerable as the stars. And especially for slights against any loved ones!
Naturally, this means Zang Kong dies, and damn the hypothetical innocents with him.
[X] Annihilation
Naturally, this means Zang Kong dies, and damn the hypothetical innocents with him.
[X] Annihilation
Uh. According to Rihaku, Nameless is around Stage 14ish total power; handling the Fates easily requires around Stage 16 combat power, and an outlier Zang Kong might require 17.
The Battlesuit gives the wearer half a Stage of combat power above Nameless' own.
What IS Namless' current combat power? I'm not sure the math there works out in our favor...
The Battlesuit gives the wearer half a Stage of combat power above Nameless' own.
What IS Namless' current combat power? I'm not sure the math there works out in our favor...
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
- Location
- Chicago, IL
- Pronouns
- Any/All
We still have at least 2 FBs, or up to 8 Bs, if not a whole EFB ahead of us, plus Immortal Awakening probably. Nameless's Combat Power could quite easily jump two or three stages soon.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Come on guys, if we can't convince him to be our Stage 17 underling with his capacity to want anything besides Cultivation restored we can kill him then. There's no downside to making the offer!
[X] Negotiation
The idea that the infinite multitudes of inhabitants are fake is pretty dubious, and the act of that assumption without taking any effort to validate it would be the single most morally dangerous aciton in this quest so far. The idea of trying to discourage other people from hostage taking only makes sense if the number of possible future hostages is larger then the hostages currently at stake (unlikely, since the number of hostages is ostensibly infinite), or if the fact of our decision making process was an influence on the original hostage-taking decision (it wasn't, Zang Kong had no knowledge of us specifically when he decided to take this path, and it's not clear that he wouldn't have created them anyway even knowing they would later be killed, since he might not care about their well-being at all).
In a waifu contest, Aurelia > Suizhen.
The negotiation should focus on validating the existence, nature, and living conditions of the people in Zang Kong's inner world, and on preventing him from acquiring more hostages in the future, regardless of source.
The idea that the infinite multitudes of inhabitants are fake is pretty dubious, and the act of that assumption without taking any effort to validate it would be the single most morally dangerous aciton in this quest so far. The idea of trying to discourage other people from hostage taking only makes sense if the number of possible future hostages is larger then the hostages currently at stake (unlikely, since the number of hostages is ostensibly infinite), or if the fact of our decision making process was an influence on the original hostage-taking decision (it wasn't, Zang Kong had no knowledge of us specifically when he decided to take this path, and it's not clear that he wouldn't have created them anyway even knowing they would later be killed, since he might not care about their well-being at all).
In a waifu contest, Aurelia > Suizhen.
The negotiation should focus on validating the existence, nature, and living conditions of the people in Zang Kong's inner world, and on preventing him from acquiring more hostages in the future, regardless of source.
Rihaku
The Internet
A (potentially) difficult thing to prevent, if the shelter of others under his Endless Sky is fundamental to his Cultivation! And to stop the Endless Sky from cultivating itself may well be a fool's errand...
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
That's fine if we offer to teach him the Dao of No Paths, which is probably our most effective bargaining tool.