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[X] Plan Scope Out The Territory
Res Publica: A Quest of Ancient Rome
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I'm somewhat behind, what's Plan Scope Out The Territory?
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Here you go:
It is a good plan focused on social interactions, whose "opponents" (myself included) mostly disagree about one or two minor things. As it is pretty far ahead in votes this plan will probably be what we are going to do next turn.
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I wonder what Sertorius' stats would look like, he is one of Rome's best, so I expect his to be pretty high
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Ah. Yeah no I'm not voting for learning Greek while we've got Theo with us, we should focus more on studying the army we're going to get tossed at.
Edit: Damn, seems like most of the plans with a chance of winning are going for it.
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bandwagon ho!
plus being a neophyte to a language is barely adecuate for our purposes.
bandwagon ho!
I see Theo more like a tutor.
plus being a neophyte to a language is barely adecuate for our purposes.
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Atellus likely already speaks Greek as it should have been part of his education. He is more than likely a bit rusty, though, since the Samnites weren't that keen on debating him in Greek.
Personally I think speaking Greek fluently is incredibly important (and not just for this campaign) as it marks us as a cultured intellectual. However, more importantly the Greeks will certainly appreciate it more if the Roman doesn't speak to them with broken Greek or through a translator.
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I expect that speaking greek will open up a number of opportunities that speaking latin would not allow for.
Edit: Ew, posting tallies makes separate posts now instead of tacking them onto your original. XF2, why must you constantly disappoint me?
Edit: Ew, posting tallies makes separate posts now instead of tacking them onto your original. XF2, why must you constantly disappoint me?
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It's quite an exciting opportunity we find ourselves in, at present the region we're going to is very wealthy and contains a rich cast of historical characters for us to immerse ourselves with. There's a real chance we could run into Marius, Sulla or even Mithridates. Admittedly the latter might have some rather deadly implications for our character.
Anyone have any thoughts of what to do in regards to the remnants of IX Legion? It seems our initial focus will be dealing with the Sullan supporting defectors under Gaius Flavius Fimbria, before moving on to help Marius with Mithridates. I'm quite partial to the idea of trying to subvert them with our oratory, bolstering our own forces further.
I do think we should continue the tactic of searching for renowned tutors, similar to Sertorious and Scaevola. I'd like to bring up Publius Rutilius Rufus who should be in the region of Anatolia during this period of history. Although he never left exile, the former consul was an individual of great skill, it may serve us to build a relationship with him in order to further improve our abilities. We could levy our mutual connection Scaevola to meet with him. It would be an interesting turn of fate if we convinced him to return to Rome.
Anyone have any thoughts of what to do in regards to the remnants of IX Legion? It seems our initial focus will be dealing with the Sullan supporting defectors under Gaius Flavius Fimbria, before moving on to help Marius with Mithridates. I'm quite partial to the idea of trying to subvert them with our oratory, bolstering our own forces further.
I do think we should continue the tactic of searching for renowned tutors, similar to Sertorious and Scaevola. I'd like to bring up Publius Rutilius Rufus who should be in the region of Anatolia during this period of history. Although he never left exile, the former consul was an individual of great skill, it may serve us to build a relationship with him in order to further improve our abilities. We could levy our mutual connection Scaevola to meet with him. It would be an interesting turn of fate if we convinced him to return to Rome.
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[X] Plan Scope Out The Territory
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That right?
@Simon_Jester
What is your opinion on changing the letter from Atticus to Scaevola? Like I said before, I do not think he would be able to provide us with much of help here in Asia, even if it is more Greek than not right now. Certainly not as much help as the guy who ruled the province, and may still have contacts left here. And while I'd like to write to Atticus on general basis, since we didn't talk much at all, I think it's more important and time-sensitive to get any help Scaevola can provide us than some general philosophy correspondence or maybe a tutoring in Greek language and culture. Your plan does pick up Theo anyway, so we will have someone to talk in Greek with.
Actually, hey, something I remember now about letter to Atticus.
@Telamon, Atticus should be in Athens right now, correct? I think he moved there in 85 BC in OTL, and I don't think we changed anything that would affect that.
1) Would Atellus know it if Atticus moved?
2) Can it cause any problems with the letter, if Atticus moved and Atellus doesn't know it?
3) If Atticus is in Athens, would it speed up our correspondence with him? At least after we learn about that, if we don't?
What is your opinion on changing the letter from Atticus to Scaevola? Like I said before, I do not think he would be able to provide us with much of help here in Asia, even if it is more Greek than not right now. Certainly not as much help as the guy who ruled the province, and may still have contacts left here. And while I'd like to write to Atticus on general basis, since we didn't talk much at all, I think it's more important and time-sensitive to get any help Scaevola can provide us than some general philosophy correspondence or maybe a tutoring in Greek language and culture. Your plan does pick up Theo anyway, so we will have someone to talk in Greek with.
Actually, hey, something I remember now about letter to Atticus.
@Telamon, Atticus should be in Athens right now, correct? I think he moved there in 85 BC in OTL, and I don't think we changed anything that would affect that.
1) Would Atellus know it if Atticus moved?
2) Can it cause any problems with the letter, if Atticus moved and Atellus doesn't know it?
3) If Atticus is in Athens, would it speed up our correspondence with him? At least after we learn about that, if we don't?
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After much careful study and observation, I have determined that it is so.
Atellus would be aware, though Atticus moved slightly later than OTL due to Sulla's siege lasting longer than it did OTL. Messages would take less time to arrive in general, though there would be risk of them being intercepted/slowed down by one of the four armies between you and Athens (though two of those is Roman and one is Marius'), or the fleet in the Aegean/Pontic (which is Sulla's).
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Must've sucked for him a bit, now that I think about it. "Here's the city I'm the biggest fan of, to the point my cognomen is "Athenian"! Can't wait to see all its wonde- oh wait Sulla pillaged it for a week, to the point he burned the Acropolis down. Well, shucks".
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Totally understandable. @Simon_Jester has made some excellent points, and I'm half tempted to change my vote as well.
Did we ever get confirmation that only the optimates knew? And are we sure that none of those optimates jumped party lines after the all riots started? A fair amount of people know of the conspiracy. Three may keep a secret if two of them are dead, etc, etc. All I really remember is that Scaevola took care of it, then Pompey sent us a message that he knew it was us by murdering a slave and dumping the body in the river.
I don't think this analogy really works. World War One didn't start off because of Franz Ferdinand getting assassinated in particular, it started because everyone wanted to go to war and they suddenly had an excuse. There are also no equivalents to Russia defending Serbia. We could say the Marians are the Austro-Hungarian Empire, but AH didn't explode after Franz died, they went to war with countries that don't have an equivalent in ancient Rome. Unless you want to say the Catilinarians are Serbia, but you already said they're the assassins. The Sullans are in hiding. I also don't think Mithradates or Sulla count as Serbia or any other nation, because those wars are already happening. We're also personally involved in those wars, so we have opportunities to influence them. Also, we're not in Vienna in this analogy. We're in the same city as the Black Hand, or our friends/family are anyway, which means they can strike at us. And if they can kill Ferdinand, they can kill anyone else.
Now, if the Catilinarians do pull something off, what happens? The Marians control the mobs of Rome, so unless legions start marching through the streets, the Marians still win. And Cinna has almost total control, which means the Catilinarians have to kill him, which would be difficult, as the Marians are cracking down. They'd have better luck setting the city on fire than getting close to him. Even if they did kill Cinna, regardless of how much chaos it causes, the populists are still most likely to come out ahead in that situation, because it doesn't matter how nice your house is when 1000 angry peasants come to beat you with various blunt objects.
Now, that might be a reason to not spy on the Marians, because the backlash after the Catilinarians make a move could be severe, but it's not a reason to spy on the Catilinarians either. Spying on the Sullans in that case would be more beneficial, because then you can use the information you have to play nice with the people directing the angry mob, and if the Sullans do have a plan to make a move after the Catilinarians, then we can use that information to better position ourselves.
And even if all hell breaks loose, then Marius and Sulla are both still stuck in the East. Which means Sertorius is the one of the only people who could reinstate order, and as Telamon has pointed out multiple times, Sertorius is exactly who you want restoring order, because he isn't going to start any purges. That would create a whole other set of problem to deal with, theoretically, but we at least have an in with Sertorius and our family would be relatively safe.
So, I agree that spying on the Catilinarians to gather information on people of our age bracket has merit. However, if the Catilinarians are plotting something and pull the trigger, which is unlikely to be successful, then they're killing themselves. The best choice in that situation, in my opinion, is to spy on the Sullans to play nice with the populists, while we wait for either Sertorius to head to Rome, or for the wars in the East to end.
Reading over this, I realize this came out as an argument to spy on the Sullans, rather than the Marians which is what I'm voting for, but I don't expect the Catilinarians to be successful. If I did expect them to be successful, I wouldn't expect them to last long, and I'd rather we were spying on the Sullans over the Catilinarians.
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I think people are underestimating just how useful naval warfare will be. Greece is basically coastline and mountains- they have more coast than all of Africa! And then there's asia minor too.
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