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Or im misinterpretting stuff. Ijw was tryna get me to vote up tmr for acting suspiciously which is a bit more than most were pushing the tmr thing.

Tho cyricubed was pushing it a bit too. But im not super happy with listening to the wagoners bickering/voting at each other.
 
Hmmm, even though is true that Cyricubed was the first to vote for TMR I feel like Threnodist had the most "weak" reason to vote for him, I mean, Azrael mentioned the thing about him being an interloper too but it seemed more like joke to me, Threnodist was the want that voted with such a weak logic, so.

[x] Lynch Threnodist

I want to see their defense.
 
Actually, given the flavor of the game, I think the double voter may have been Archeo. "Priestess of the Old Moon" certainly sounds like a role that could have some extra clout with the lynch vote in this context.
 
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Actually, given the flavor of the game, I think the double voter may have been Archeo. "Priestess of the Old Moon" certainly sounds like a role that could have some extra clout with the lynch vote in this context.
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Terrabrand said:
@Archeo Lumiere, the Village Trapper, has been [Devoured clean down to the Bone]. He was a Servant of the Old Moon.
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:thonk:

But seriously. Nanimani flipped Priestess. Archeo flipped Trapper. You've gotten mixed up somewhere.
 
Trappers leave traps outside people's house and kill any attacker or act as a tripwire to detect if anyone visits. That's the Town of Salem role. I wouldn't be overly surprised if Archeo had actually tried to do that to Nani's door but was eaten by the gribbly (that might be a trespassing demon enemy of the Old Moon) before or during?
Priestess of the Old Moon could have been double vote but Nani isn't gonna kill someone before they say their thing. A few things. Secondary healer, a mayor (though unlikely if there is already a double voter), a Mason leader with some sort of power, a de-cultifier (I have absolutely no reason to believe there is a cult but have to mention it), could have been a neighbouriser even.
 
Anyway, the arguments upthread were certainly fairly convincing; I don't really think we should be trusting the Cyricubed. Therefore, I'm putting my vote behind them.

[X] Lynch Cyricubed
 
*sigh* I can see the reason, but I still think his reason wasn't that crazy, and even though he began the lynch, the crazy didn't start until a few post later... actually.

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So are we all going to switch over to lynching TMR?
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Wasn't you the one that suggest the switch?

I would like to hear his defense before adding more votes.
 
ComiTurtle said:
They began the TMR train, and showed concern with Archeo being alive, Archeo being night killed the first night is a bit odd.
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I can agree with the suspicion, however I'd like to pull way back to the initial reasoning behind the first vote on him: He was being inactive and somewhat lurky. I found that suspicious as I feel should anyone else. It's not the first time I've fired votes at people for being such and was about to put one on atk50 before he posted seconds before I had finished that post. I didn't show concern over him being alive rather I would have appreciated information and maybe caught a slip-up if pressure was applied. Later I mentioned I wanted to either push again for Pawn or see about hammering Astraoh-M, I didn't remove my vote from TMR at the time because I didn't expect a hard hammer to happen when I was caught up with irl stuff. Now that I've explained my actions, I'd like to push for some more speculation and info on some actions:

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So just as general polling, what faction do people believe the double voter is and reasons why they think so?
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I feel it's town because a scum double voter feels a bit too powerful for a scum team to have. In addition I would like to add that I am not the double voter and will have more information for general town at the end of this post.

Threnodist said:
Yeah I agree, this is (to me) the most sus activity we've had so far.

[X] Null
[X] Lynch TheMaskedReader
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So are we all going to switch over to lynching TMR?
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Both of these were the push factors on TMR, If anything the hardest one is on the Threnodist since he managed to at least convince AL that this was a right path and for IJW I feel this was a strange post as if testing waters, as though he wanted to push for this lynch but didn't want to be part of the leading bandwagon. Honestly, Feels scummy but I have no night info to pursue on this, on that note if anyone has any damning evidence to point at scum please bring it forth instead of holding onto it like a treasure trove. With two night kills by scum we can assume this game will be over by day 5 along with a lynch every day as well, information needs to be passed around so we can either extend the game by getting rid of scum, or reduce the number of town deaths. Now honestly I think Threnodist was fair in his assesment of TMR's post, which leads me back to IJW. How you presented yourself seems scummy back there and even now you seem eager to jump on a wagon now that it is half started.

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Hi rikimaru! TMR has just said something that only a dirty ritual-disrupting interloper would say, so we're voting him up.
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Here was you encouraging the vote at the halfway point, as though you wanted the hammer to fall through. Honestly getting a full scum tell here.

[X] Lynch I just write

Now going back to what I said earlier about more information for the town, I was attacked last night, meaning there is a 3rd killer among us.
 
Either way, Cyricubed is behaving in a sufficiently Town way that I'm willing to extend a bit more trust to them.

[X] Null
 
Astaroh-M said:
Hmmm, even though is true that Cyricubed was the first to vote for TMR I feel like Threnodist had the most "weak" reason to vote for him, I mean, Azrael mentioned the thing about him being an interloper too but it seemed more like joke to me, Threnodist was the want that voted with such a weak logic, so.

[x] Lynch Threnodist

I want to see their defense.
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It was D1 and there wasn't anybody who had really acted scummy at that point. TMR's comment of "I wonder if we're going to summon any Old One's?" seemed sus to me b/c it was pretty clear from town fluff what our goal was. When TMR said it was just "idle speculation" I pressed them further and asked what they specifically meant by it. I was entertaining the option that it was bait for scum to speculate. I WOULD have liked TMR to be able to defend themselves, but as I mentioned quickly I was about to enter into a 2 and a half hour long class. I ASSUMED that we had enough veterans in this game to not hammer TMR. Even with the double voter, as Comi has already pointed out its standard practice to not get people that close to the hammer.
 
Threnodist said:
It was D1 and there wasn't anybody who had really acted scummy at that point. TMR's comment of "I wonder if we're going to summon any Old One's?" seemed sus to me b/c it was pretty clear from town fluff what our goal was. When TMR said it was just "idle speculation" I pressed them further and asked what they specifically meant by it. I was entertaining the option that it was bait for scum to speculate. I WOULD have liked TMR to be able to defend themselves, but as I mentioned quickly I was about to enter into a 2 and a half hour long class. I ASSUMED that we had enough veterans in this game to not hammer TMR. Even with the double voter, as Comi has already pointed out its standard practice to not get people that close to the hammer.
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Sorry about that. If I hadn't mistakenly told QT we were two below hammer, they wouldn't have voted TMR up, and we might still have a Doctor.
 
Yeah, it had been specifically mentioned how far away we were from hammer and QT has played enough that they should know to keep the buffer of two.

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Sorry about that. If I hadn't mistakenly told QT we were two below hammer, they wouldn't have voted TMR up, and we might still have a Doctor.
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See that's the thing, this game was hammer into plurality. There was no point in QT going past the safety threshold since TMR was the highest on the votes by a fair margin.

Also did anyone else notice that Atk seemed to sweep in right after QT voted for TMR and would have hammered him without even the double vote? That seems very odd to me.

[X] Lynch atk50
 
Threnodist said:
It was D1 and there wasn't anybody who had really acted scummy at that point. TMR's comment of "I wonder if we're going to summon any Old One's?" seemed sus to me b/c it was pretty clear from town fluff what our goal was. When TMR said it was just "idle speculation" I pressed them further and asked what they specifically meant by it. I was entertaining the option that it was bait for scum to speculate. I WOULD have liked TMR to be able to defend themselves, but as I mentioned quickly I was about to enter into a 2 and a half hour long class. I ASSUMED that we had enough veterans in this game to not hammer TMR. Even with the double voter, as Comi has already pointed out its standard practice to not get people that close to the hammer.
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Hmmm, fair enough.

[x] Null
 
Pawn Lelouch said:
Yeah, it had been specifically mentioned how far away we were from hammer and QT has played enough that they should know to keep the buffer of two.



See that's the thing, this game was hammer into plurality. There was no point in QT going past the safety threshold since TMR was the highest on the votes by a fair margin.

Also did anyone else notice that Atk seemed to sweep in right after QT voted for TMR and would have hammered him without even the double vote? That seems very odd to me.

[X] Lynch atk50
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Honestly, I think leaving no buffer is generally better than a buffer of one, because it lets you know who wants to cut discussion short, which is generally more valuable than a day one lynch since it's importance is far lower than normal. It was unfortunately obviated here, so I'm not as suspicious of atk50 as I might otherwise be, but since he didn't notice the hammer the evidence is still there.

[X] Lynch atk50
 
Update: I have misread what happened grievously. I was not attacked, but rather hounded relentlessly by a mysterious individual. It seems they kept me from doing anything last night. I retract my statement about a 3rd killer within the town but rather we have a role blocker.

Also Upon consideration, I have to agree with PL's assessment of the final spaces of the lynch. I still do not trust I just write but I have to admit QT and by further extension Atk50 seem more sus by furthering the hammer at it's end, double vote or not.

[X] Lynch Atk50

For now with safety of reaching hammer unintentionally in mind, lets say 3 votes on one person is a safe-line to keep pressure. Considering the double voter or even a stealth voter?(I don't know if this is a possible choice but I should mention it.) Which would now make 3 votes on Atk50
 
Cyricubed said:
For now with safety of reaching hammer unintentionally in mind, lets say 3 votes on one person is a safe-line to keep pressure. Considering the double voter or even a stealth voter?(I don't know if this is a possible choice but I should mention it.) Which would now make 3 votes on Atk50
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And if we are willing to do some testing we can make sure that 3 of the players are on each side of an otherwise tied lynch train at the end of the day. Whichever side has a person voted up gets the group of players who could be the double voter cut in half assuming it isn't a stealth voter.

Granted, there's the debate of if we even want to reveal the double voter in the first place but that's a different argument entirely from if it is possible to test who is the voter.
 
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