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Threnodist said:
Uhhh, just so you know the community has decided that it's always good to vote somebody up D1 (because it gives us more data points to work with later). Even if you don't think this is a good strategy, still participate in it because refusal to do so will put a target on your back (which is bad whether you are town or scum)
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I at the very least want to let the accused try and defend themselves before hammering. If this were a non-hammer game, I'd be pushing on Pawn with the rest of them, but there is a hammer, and my behaviors will therefore be noticeably more cautious.
 
I just write said:
I at the very least want to let the accused try and defend themselves before hammering. If this were a non-hammer game, I'd be pushing on Pawn with the rest of them, but there is a hammer, and my behaviors will therefore be noticeably more cautious.
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Right, the point is for the accused to defend yourself in order to create more data points. If we just immediately hammer them then nothing is gained except (probably) one more dead town.

Essentially, we're all on the same page here
 
I just write said:
thinking about it mathematically
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Yes, another one :)

The logic is as follows:
Scum has a guaranteed kill on town, in almost every game.
Thus, after night 1 town is in a strictly worse position than day 1.

Town has votes advantage. Lynch will almost always advantage town unless a scum has serious control of day conversation. (by the same logic, it's good for cops or trackers to investigate he people controllling day chat, since they're disproportionally scum relative to the entire population, just based on the incentives involved; it also means that vanillas should try to control town).

Putting pressure on someone (ie, a credible voting block targeting them() forces them to talk and defend themselves. The more someone talks, the more opportunities they have to screw up and reveal themselves as scum.

If we don't put lynch pressure until we're sure, we rely on cops. This puts more pressure on an already lynchpin role, and means that if the cop dies we lose.

Town can better absorb losses; losing a vanilla is more crippling than losing a.scum, obviously, and town power roles can usually reveal and rely on our doctor role or watcher role to keep them alive; even if there isn't a doctor, the threat of an unrevealed doctor healing the cop and wading a might kill can often scare off scum.


As such, in any normal setup, you lynch every day whenever possible, but don't cut the day short so there's plenty of time to discuss things.
 
Nanimani said:
[X] Lynch Pawn Lelouch

I have no idea what I'm doing :V
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Just because I'm being a slave driver, I'm hurt Nani. :cry:

And I'd expand on what QT was writing up but I have class rn and that takes time to type up. If we still need it later I can take a crack at it, and of course someone can just copy the Nictis post as an easy route of explanation.
 
Anyone know how to make some moonton moonshine? :V

I think that QT summed it up pretty well. Does anybody else need to know anything about why lynching on the first day is good?
 
atk50 said:
Anyone know how to make some moonton moonshine? :V
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Step 1: Acquire any form of starch; potatoes do nicely.

Step 2: Put it in water and add brewer's yeast. Mix evenly, then allow the mash to sit for a week or so.

Step 3: There should now be notable amounts of alcohol in the fluid in the tub. Pour it through a filter into another tub. (re-use the mash with more yeast to make even more alcoholic fluid).

Step 4: You now have a tub full of pretty alcoholic liquid. Put that stuff in a still, and add heat to increase the alcohol concentration.

Step 5: Your still should be giving you nearly pure Ethanol if you did everything right; either consume and enjoy, or combine with the oxidizer of your choice for use as rocket fuel.
 
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Well, not much to analyze, to be honest. Most of the longer content has been D1 basic lynch explanations (as in explaining D1 lynch benefits, not why D1 Lynch Choice X is a good idea) and the votes tend to be meme votes.

Pawn's being pressured a bit, just for some insight and being dangerous as scum...huh, actually 4 votes.

@ComiTurtle at second place, with 2 votes.

I'll throw my vote onto Comi's wagon, so that we get enough pressure for actual debate from them, I suppose, as they've only had a basic meme vote.

[X] Lynch ComiTurtle
 
Fair warning that Comi and I might be scarce the rest of Day 1, we are having to rush my game's fluff out and are trying to stop SB's side from having a major delay over it.
 
Pawn Lelouch said:
Fair warning that Comi and I might be scarce the rest of Day 1, we are having to rush my game's fluff out and are trying to stop SB's side from having a major delay over it.
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Well, if you genuinely won't be here for the rest of the day, there's no helping it. I'll be back on one of your bandwagons come day 2, but until then I have to vote someone else.

Unfortunately, comi was my next pick. As such

[X] Lynch Nanimani
 
QTesseract said:
Well, if you genuinely won't be here for the rest of the day, there's no helping it. I'll be back on one of your bandwagons come day 2, but until then I have to vote someone else.

Unfortunately, comi was my next pick. As such

[X] Lynch Nanimani
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Yeah, that's a good second pick.
On the other hand, I don't think it's likely to result in something good for town, so...

[X] Lynch QTesseract
 
Woo, looks like Dova was able to push out his game fluff super fast. So Comi and I don't have to rush it out anymore!
 
Pawn Lelouch said:
Woo, looks like Dova was able to push out his game fluff super fast. So Comi and I don't have to rush it out anymore!
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Watches as votes pile back onto Pawn and Comi

Or at least, that's the obvious punchline here. I can't say how people will actually react.

Goes back to hanging back as a GM should

Oh, also. 49~ hours remain in Day One.
 
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TheMaskedReader said:
Well, not much to analyze, to be honest. Most of the longer content has been D1 basic lynch explanations (as in explaining D1 lynch benefits, not why D1 Lynch Choice X is a good idea) and the votes tend to be meme votes.

Pawn's being pressured a bit, just for some insight and being dangerous as scum...huh, actually 4 votes.

@ComiTurtle at second place, with 2 votes.

I'll throw my vote onto Comi's wagon, so that we get enough pressure for actual debate from them, I suppose, as they've only had a basic meme vote.

[X] Lynch ComiTurtle
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Zero problem with this vote, but I was actually tied for second at the time both myself and Astaroh had 2 votes. However one of the votes on astaroh was spelled incorrectly and thus not stacked so I get missing that.

Hard to really get anything juicy so far, from the posts, early day 1 and all.

Lets see what I can find?

Azrael said:
Eenie minie moe...

[X] Lynch Astaroth-M
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Very first second vote on an individual it is only 3 minutes after my joke vote so really isn't anything even remotely important its just generally the first double up takes more than the third post.

Archeo Lumiere said:
I mean... With two memevotes matching one person, might as well go for one of the people on that vote, and as it so happens one of them is one of my personal memevotes.

[X] Lynch Rikimaru

It's always the right decision, even when it isn't!
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So the indicated target of someone with 2 memevotes is myself in this instance, but at the time Astaroh-M was as well, interesting that they choose to go with going after the person starting a lynch on me over myself or Az, instead who were both voting Astaroh-M.

QTesseract said:
Can we stop with the memevotes? Pressure is a great thing, but I can't even add on to pressure by joining one of these multi-votes because they know the vote pressure isn't real.

Well, nothing to do but create my own vote.
[X]Lynch Pawn Lelouch

He's dangerous as scum and almost always has good insight as town, so let's see what he has to say.
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First vote with a reason though atk50's traditional first vote was on the board already so not much of a fully created vote. I will say that I've seen this argument used as a defense from scum going after whom they believed was town before as generally effective scum and effective town play is positively correlated.

Cyricubed said:
Funny that I came on to do just the same thing really.

[X]Lynch Pawn Lelouch

Although my secondary pressure options are QT and AL at this moment.
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What I find odd here is directly stating targets this early, it feels odd to me having targets doesn't seem like something one could reasonably have this early. Their later post on why AL is interesting generally the set-up being revealed is a positive for town because scum almost always are functioning with a premium on set-up information while town doesn't have such a luxury. I'd be interested in hearing your rational on QT because QT responded for rational for you I'd rather hear your own words.

I just write said:
I at the very least want to let the accused try and defend themselves before hammering. If this were a non-hammer game, I'd be pushing on Pawn with the rest of them, but there is a hammer, and my behaviors will therefore be noticeably more cautious.
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Restraint is important in a hammer game, but any specific reason why you'd be going after pawn instead of like me or promoting another lynch target?

Pawn Lelouch said:
Fair warning that Comi and I might be scarce the rest of Day 1, we are having to rush my game's fluff out and are trying to stop SB's side from having a major delay over it.
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Just think its important to state that this statement was accurate.

QTesseract said:
Well, if you genuinely won't be here for the rest of the day, there's no helping it. I'll be back on one of your bandwagons come day 2, but until then I have to vote someone else.

Unfortunately, comi was my next pick. As such

[X] Lynch Nanimani
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May I ask why I was your secondary pick? Was it because I was the next largest bandwagon or for some other reason?

Nanimani said:
Yeah, that's a good second pick.
On the other hand, I don't think it's likely to result in something good for town, so...

[X] Lynch QTesseract
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What is a good second pick voting you or me, post wasn't overtly clear.
 
ComiTurtle said:
So the indicated target of someone with 2 memevotes is myself in this instance, but at the time Astaroh-M was as well, interesting that they choose to go with going after the person starting a lynch on me over myself or Az, instead who were both voting Astaroh-M.
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To be fair, my Riki lynch is based in the fact that he's shit at playing town, so if he's playing a convincing town chances are he's scum. Either way it's to town benefit to have him out of the pool, as if he's town he throws off any scum-hunting, and if he's scum... He's scum!
 
[X] Lynch Pawn Lelouch
ComiTurtle said:
Zero problem with this vote, but I was actually tied for second at the time both myself and Astaroh had 2 votes. However one of the votes on astaroh was spelled incorrectly and thus not stacked so I get missing that.

Hard to really get anything juicy so far, from the posts, early day 1 and all.

Lets see what I can find?



Very first second vote on an individual it is only 3 minutes after my joke vote so really isn't anything even remotely important its just generally the first double up takes more than the third post.



So the indicated target of someone with 2 memevotes is myself in this instance, but at the time Astaroh-M was as well, interesting that they choose to go with going after the person starting a lynch on me over myself or Az, instead who were both voting Astaroh-M.



First vote with a reason though atk50's traditional first vote was on the board already so not much of a fully created vote. I will say that I've seen this argument used as a defense from scum going after whom they believed was town before as generally effective scum and effective town play is positively correlated.



What I find odd here is directly stating targets this early, it feels odd to me having targets doesn't seem like something one could reasonably have this early. Their later post on why AL is interesting generally the set-up being revealed is a positive for town because scum almost always are functioning with a premium on set-up information while town doesn't have such a luxury. I'd be interested in hearing your rational on QT because QT responded for rational for you I'd rather hear your own words.



Restraint is important in a hammer game, but any specific reason why you'd be going after pawn instead of like me or promoting another lynch target?



Just think its important to state that this statement was accurate.



May I ask why I was your secondary pick? Was it because I was the next largest bandwagon or for some other reason?



What is a good second pick voting you or me, post wasn't overtly clear.
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You're a solid player, you had some people on your bandwagon, and perhaps most importantly I felt I could probably get enough players on you that you would respond; even if you aren't scum, forcing you to talk while under scrutiny seems to be a good way to get your ideas out there, since you've done a fairly good job at picking out scum precious games. It's a win-win between lynching a scum and getting useful info, since even if you somehow can't shake the wagon as town we can trust everything you say after the flip.
 
Archeo Lumiere said:
To be fair, my Riki lynch is based in the fact that he's shit at playing town, so if he's playing a convincing town chances are he's scum. Either way it's to town benefit to have him out of the pool, as if he's town he throws off any scum-hunting, and if he's scum... He's scum!
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I have not gotten QT and main thread mixed up :)
 
QTesseract said:
[X] Lynch Pawn Lelouch

You're a solid player, you had some people on your bandwagon, and perhaps most importantly I felt I could probably get enough players on you that you would respond; even if you aren't scum, forcing you to talk while under scrutiny seems to be a good way to get your ideas out there, since you've done a fairly good job at picking out scum precious games. It's a win-win between lynching a scum and getting useful info, since even if you somehow can't shake the wagon as town we can trust everything you say after the flip.
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Fair warning that you probably aren't going to get anything useful out of me. Anyone whose played with me enough knows that I don't really do or say anything of value Day 1 outside of generally correcting misconceptions and helping new players. I will push if I see someone being blatantly scummy but rarely does anyone actually make that large of a blunder. I prefer to observe and try to draw connections without throwing in my biases from getting into the fray with people.

And frankly I know exactly how much pressure Day 1 truly is worth, especially in a hammer game. Yes, I know this was a response to Comi but the same idea applies, especially since this was off the standard meme vote. :V
 
Pawn Lelouch said:
Okay Riki, no need to be rude. He messed up once, you don't have to taunt him about it. Granted Archeo was also a bit rude with how he stated his lynch reasoning for you but you don't have to fire back.
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Meh, tit for tat, he's good, and I generally have learned not to keep all my mafia in one window.
 
@The Master we're past the first twenty four hours. If you do not post before day's end at least once, you will be replaced or modkilled. That applies even if the day ends early from hammer.
 
ComiTurtle said:
Zero problem with this vote, but I was actually tied for second at the time both myself and Astaroh had 2 votes. However one of the votes on astaroh was spelled incorrectly and thus not stacked so I get missing that.
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That's on me honestly, I mean, the first time I sign to the side I wrote Astaroh instead of Astaroth, but by the time I realized it, it was too late, so I roll with it. :p

As for some insight on votes... I have nothing, I'm still pretty new to Mafia so I don't really get the "tells".
 
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