Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Hip hip hooray for wrongness
Tho i do want to vote for my plan and jolly since either or is fine for me.
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Tales of History - A Civ-Builder Quest
- Thread starter Azel
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- Original
Tho i do want to vote for my plan and jolly since either or is fine for me.
[X] Plan Acceptable Cooperation
- Location
- Chile
Yeah, let's take out the enemy of our enemy so our Great Preacher can preach in Brushcrest for one turn before he croaks. And let's chuck the geopolitical realities of our people we've so painstakingly debated in the thread out the window so we get a one time payment of sea shells.
[X] Plan Jolly Cooperation
[X] Plan Jolly Cooperation
- Location
- Germany
You can always reject the offer entirely and carry on as planned.Yeah, let's take out the enemy of our enemy so our Great Preacher can preach in Brushcrest for one turn before he croaks. And let's chuck the geopolitical realities of our people we've so painstakingly debated in the thread out the window so we get a one time payment of sea shells.
[X] Plan Jolly Cooperation
- Location
- United States
[X] Plan Acceptable Cooperation
- Location
- Britain
Oh for god's sake, why are people trying to go for the peaceful option that gains us NOTHING. Our culture and relations are completely averse to it and we WILL get shafted in this deal and our pops will be the ones to take the most damage in this army, making us very very vulnerable and all we would be doing it for would be some pitiful benefits.
They are our LESSERS.
They WILL bend the knee or DIE.
They are our LESSERS.
They WILL bend the knee or DIE.
Satar
Xetares, Third Redeemer; World Drinker
- Location
- Sesh
I don't get it either.
A few kind words and some bait and people are chomping at the bit. Worst case scenario, we and the Makar take each other out in a bloodbath, and Brushcrest and its allies benefit like the monkey arbitrating a dispute between two cats. That's why any sensible plan has us demand an outcome equivalent to that risk: basically, bend the knee and become our tributary.
To be bought off by a few seashells is just pathetic.
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Worse, we've paid 0.5 Tools (Obsidian) for mercenaries. Just getting loot from the battle (which we'll have to split between us and the White Clans anyways) will make this endeavor not only geopolitically foolish, but also unprofitable.
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- Location
- Derna
Let's pick this apart, because people keep voting for it.
Not the Bone-Tenders. Speaker. Who is probably going to die very very soon, giving him maybe one turn of making a handful of conversions that will be immediately reverted by their own priests.
This is a gift to them for no reason. They're coming to us begging for aid; why would we give them something like this without asking much in return at all?
Brushcrest wouldn't build another outpost on the river if we subjugated them like the original plan. We need to be gaining something here. We threw away a pop of troops destroying that fort so we could conquer them, and now we're going to let them off with nothing?
I understand the argument that they won't want to give us concessions for helping them out on one raid, but that's not what this is about. This is a ploy to make us stop raiding them, and you're all falling for it. Anything short of full tributary status is throwing away all the prep we've done towards subjugating Brushcrest for nothing.
- Location
- Denmark
Personally, I support Plan Acceptable Cooperation over Plan Jolly Cooperation, because I rather want to overwhelm the other raider civilization together with Brushcrest and its allies, than having that raider civilization and us crushing Brushcrest and it allies by attacking them simultaneously. I am unsure of the power balance between the two of them and how much the raiders are a threat, but I prefer Brushcrest over them. Of course Brushcrest becoming our tributary would be a preferred outcome, but I am unconvinced that they would be willing to do that, though I might be wrong on that.
Also raiding the raiders might be just as rewarding in loot and pops as raiding Brushcrest and with our 5 pop army and whatever army Brushcrest sends, then we ought to beat them easily. If they do have a army that can stand up to that, then it just makes it more important to take them down a notch or two.
Satar
Xetares, Third Redeemer; World Drinker
- Location
- Sesh
My calculation is that we're too far north to really be bothered by the raiders. Brushcrest has means (their hunter pops), motives (hate being raided) and opportunity to attack us. Hell, Broken-Shell said it outright, despite trying to twist his words and be tricksy: they considered a raid on the valley along with their allies. On the other hand, the people of Makar are far to our south and west. They probably aren't as advanced as we are, technologically, because it's like Azel said about a Subjugation-based civ; you either tech up through Mega-projects or suffer. In the short-term, sure, a wave of Makarians sweeping north could be a pain, but we have more than enough hunters and allies nearby that we could withstand it. In the long-term, we would methodically teach them fury is no substitute for discipline and innovation.
If we and the Makarians devastate Brushcrest and their allies, my guess is that the Makarians will gobble up the villages but kill off the farmer and artisan pops, preferring to hunt on the open plains and let their slaves gather wheat as we saw in that one village. Whereas we can kidnap most of the Brushcrest pops and set them to farming in Greenvalley, and found a new settlement at Lakefort after burning down Brushcrest. It might even turn out better than making them a tributary.
Either way, Jolly Cooperation gives us more than Acceptable Cooperation; Acceptable Cooperation leaves us at the mercy of an unlimbered Brushcrest and its allies, who have all the reason in the world to raid us and make us miserable.
- Location
- Germany
- Location
- Germany
@Satar, the People of Makar live to the north-west of Brushcrest and west of Greenvalley. They are not sea-raiders.
Goldenfields is one of Brushcrests allies and a very direct neighbor of the Makarites.
Goldenfields is one of Brushcrests allies and a very direct neighbor of the Makarites.
I just gave you the tools. What holes you dig and for whom is entirely your choice.
- Location
- Germany
You shape the anrrative, even if you don't make the actual decisions.
To keep in the metaphor, you may not dig the holes, but you mark places with a big red X while handing us the shovel.
Satar
Xetares, Third Redeemer; World Drinker
- Location
- Sesh
My take on it is that it's the resource system. Easy to play the Ygmyn when the GM handwaves all the practicalities for you. But when you can see tangible benefits from robbing your weak, hapless neighbors, why wouldn't you?
- Location
- Germany
True, but I've also made a lot of marks on the Peace & Acceptance side of the field, but it's still very pristine and untouched.
That and the faction system. Half the thread is you guys plotting how to rob, marginalize or murder someone.
You even went to the default route of a warrior ruling class.
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- Location
- Germany
Well, this is a very important vote and I don't think I would manage to finalize the prep-work for the campaign today anyway.
Vote remains open until Monday the 13th 20:00 UTC+0.
Due to going on a vacation, expect two updates next week and then a hiatus for two weeks as I will be busy laying on a nice beach.
Vote remains open until Monday the 13th 20:00 UTC+0.
Due to going on a vacation, expect two updates next week and then a hiatus for two weeks as I will be busy laying on a nice beach.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
What do you do to get a 2 week vacation!? I don't get even a day vacation
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- Location
- Germany
Are you working in a sweat-ship or something?What do you do to get a 2 week vacation!? I don't get even a day vacation
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Nope working "Part" Time in a deli. Its not hard. But i don't get vacation days even though i work near, at or OVER, 40 hours for them a week... (Well school started so i get less now but now my days off are occupied by school)Are you working in a sweat-ship or something?
- Location
- Argentina
Here we get 2 weeks a year straight off the bat. It increases, until we get 35 days when you have worked on the same place for 20 or more years.
Yeah, it is nice to work here. A pity that the whole country is shit.
EDIT: apparently I have been stalking this thread without posting. So, congratulations Azel for this quest! I'm not surprised that having the magpie knight in person here led to a religion based around collecting skulls.
Yeah, it is nice to work here. A pity that the whole country is shit.
EDIT: apparently I have been stalking this thread without posting. So, congratulations Azel for this quest! I'm not surprised that having the magpie knight in person here led to a religion based around collecting skulls.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States