I am somewhat tempted to just vote to smite the dude right now. Do with her what we did with Deku. Build a theme.
Speaking of hands, here's my idea for our Symbol
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Neither Black or White [B&W/MHA crossover quest]
- Thread starter Nitro
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- my hero academia
Speaking of hands, here's my idea for our Symbol
- Location
- Brazil
It is bound to fail due to ignoring Eris current situation.
First I dout sanctuary is going to help, no one want to harm her, she is to precious a resource, she is likely to just be picked up at first sign of trouble.
Calling the police is either going to take weeks untill they organie an attack or it is going to fail due to how fortified that compound is.
They have a guy who merge with walls and manipulates the building, who know how that would affect the Sanctuary.
Whitout a big battle for her to expend everything she has her power is bound to cause massive problems and the only safety measures for that are Overall and Eraserhead.
Finaly bringing attention to Eri while All for One is still at large is going to be a disaster, I am pretty much convinced he can use her quirk to go back to his peak, we know he has more than enough resources to learn about her and grab her if she is rescued.
Basicaly we either deal with this slowly and carefuly or it is going to go south seven way to sunday before we can blink.
Her prayer was "I don't want to hurt any more and I don't want him to hurt anyone else". She is being hurt, even if in non-permanent ways. Sanctuary answers both of those requests, while buying time to fulfill the "I want to leave" part. As for being picked up, her resisting (and being unable to be harmed) combined with them having short notice will make it rather difficult for them to spirit her away (not to mention we still always have the option to just smack them down if things go to far).
Why would calling the police take weeks? They are fortified, but the Police and the Heroes have access to FAR more resources than they could. Particularly, All Might. Even if everyone else is hestitant to move and take action, I highly doubt Toshinori would be able to resist saving a little girl in trouble.
Yeah... it'll be curious how that guy would interact with our miracle. That's the main concern you mentioned that I can agree with so far.
Why would her powers cause massive problems in the battle? It's not like she would be resisting the Heroes.
If she could heal All For One, she could also heal All Might. That would be a major boon in the battle against All For One, since it'd get the side of Good back at full strength while All For One is still crippled. What's more, while he could normally snatch her away from any other being, we are A God, and she is Our Disciple. As long as she worships us, she can not be stolen away without our noticing and allowing us to cast Miracles on and around her. The moment All For One gets anywhere close, he'll get a face full of Wrathful Smite. He can teleport her somewhere, knock her out, put her in the deepest darkest corner of the world, and we could find her and protect her.
- Location
- Anchorage, Alaska
I fully support this...send word to All-might and see if we cant personally help her out as well to leave our Hand-Print Mark!
- Location
- Brazil
Bureocracy, the policy may have tons of resources but like in cannon it still takes time to marshall those resources, and Toshinori is to esperienced to charge ahead half-baked when everything points towards awaiting being the wiser choice.
First she is a little girl, anyone couldjust pick her up and move. And we have enought mana for one smack down maybe two, not enought to deal with a whole organization and nowhereunlikely to be enought to deal with All for One.
Now let me explain the fundamental problem with Eri's quirk : It is stupidly strong and she has no control whatsoever.
You ask why it would be a problem during battle ? Why wouldn't it ? It is a problem during her daily life and it will continue being a problem after she is rescued, becasue she hass no control and when it acts up the results can be catatrophic. And that is one the ways the Sanctuary is likey to backfire, since the much of harm she suffers comes from overall stoping her when she runs rampant.
She can heal All Might, she simple can't, honestly she is more likely to kill him on acident, maye a decade or two down the road she is trained enought for such fine work but be them he should already have passed the torch.
And then there is All for One, older then a century, with who knows how many quirks and full of experience, what use does he have for Eri ? One touch and she is quirckless and meaningless and he can just heal himself and go his merry way. He doesn't realy need to snatch her away at any point.
- Location
- Sweden
At his current worshipper rating, Izuku's prayer generates about 1 mana every 2 days. He needs to increase his Knowledge: Divinity knowledge skill before he can upgrade his worshipper rank.
Takes time, but they inherently have to be able to move faster than "In a few weeks", else they would be utterly incapable of doing their job of protecting people from Crime, since there is no way the Criminals would just wait around for a few weeks.
Toshinori is experienced, but he is also THE Hero. If there is someone (a little girl no less) in immediate peril, you honestly think he'll sit back and go "She can take a little bit more torture, no need to rush this". We already got proof that, when someone is in danger, he leaps into action, by his choosing to shield Deku from an unknown giant hand slamming down from above. Hell, I'm pretty certain he's scolded occasionally in the anime for his inability to not save people, using up preciously limited All-Might Time on things that didn't really need All-Might
She is a little girl with the power to unmake people with a touch. I imagine that most people won't be too interested in touching her when she's mad, especially when they can't hurt her to make her comply (they won't know she can't hurt them either). And when the first person who comes over gets completely disintegrated, along with all of his buddies around him, and most of the building (our smack down has some impressive AoE), I imagine they'd be pretty hesitant to try again.
As for All for One, while he might _survive_ our smack down, he should atleast be EXTREMELY hurt, considering his already weakened state, and he won't know we can't just smack him again, and again, and again. He has no way of knowing the limits of our smacks, and as such I do not see him risking his life on this.
If she has no control, why do you think All For One would be any better off? Heck, has it ever been shown that she could even use her power on herself? It's very possible it's a power that can only be used on other people.
Her power has a very limited range, so long as no-one we care two licks about get close to her, her quick can't do a damned thing. And, why would someone have to stop her from going rampant? Why would she go rampant? Does her quirk cause her to go berserk? Because there is no mention of such a problem on the wiki. It's dangerous to get close, but just don't get close.
All For One almost certainly can't take quirks that quickly, considering that he tends to kidnap his victims instead of just flicking them on the head and getting it done that way. What's more, if he could take quirks nice and quick, he would have taken back One For All at some point, yet he never tries, so presumably the time and procedure for taking a quirk is more extensive than he can do mid-battle.
But that's with just a morning and maybe evening quick prayer session. What about if he prays a lot continuously? For an example in game, when you summon people to worship at your alter, compared to them just praying to you passively over time.
[X]Tell him to take the high road. Ignoring bullies is the best way to deal with them, and they are inconsequential insects on his path to becoming both your prophet and a hero, no need to bring himself down to their level.
-[X] But never shirk the opportunity to turn them into friends and allies. A true Hero never ignores a chance to help others(even from themselves) and a true Prophet never denies someone a chance to hear the Good Word.
[X]Observe first. It's useless to rush into a situation appropriate knowledge of its circumstances. Forewarned is forearmed.
-[X] If she falls asleep before any useful observation turns up, ask her why she wishes to leave and who does she fear in her dreams.
I like the Write-in.
So, let's scout befor we do anything. I think getting All Might into this could be a big Help, but we need something to keep Eri save.
If we have some Time befor we act, maybe make a Miracle to hide her?
She could use it to hide while All Might fights his way in. Could also be usefull to keep her save in general, if we don't want to flatten everything around her.
This would be beside Shield of Fait which she get's from becoming a Follower.
Now somehting I wanted to ask. @Nitro If we use Possession on someone, could we use their Traits/Quirks with our Skill/Omniscience?
-[X] But never shirk the opportunity to turn them into friends and allies. A true Hero never ignores a chance to help others(even from themselves) and a true Prophet never denies someone a chance to hear the Good Word.
[X]Observe first. It's useless to rush into a situation appropriate knowledge of its circumstances. Forewarned is forearmed.
-[X] If she falls asleep before any useful observation turns up, ask her why she wishes to leave and who does she fear in her dreams.
I like the Write-in.
So, let's scout befor we do anything. I think getting All Might into this could be a big Help, but we need something to keep Eri save.
If we have some Time befor we act, maybe make a Miracle to hide her?
She could use it to hide while All Might fights his way in. Could also be usefull to keep her save in general, if we don't want to flatten everything around her.
This would be beside Shield of Fait which she get's from becoming a Follower.
Now somehting I wanted to ask. @Nitro If we use Possession on someone, could we use their Traits/Quirks with our Skill/Omniscience?
That's another question @Nitro Can we make custom quirks using XP, since we won't likely have much time to spend actions on it?
tapkomet
Senātus Populusque Rōmānus
- Location
- Ukraine
Izuku is going to become a hero, is he not? He should act like one!
[X]Contact Izuku and tell him to stand up to his detractors and bullies! It's a divine order, you will not have a meek weakling represent your glory!
-[X]Tell him to get physical or use miracles if he must. People still think of him as quirkless which is technically true, but he still has powers beyond mortal reckoning! Showing them off is only natural.
--[X]Tell him to approach this like they are villains. Plan ahead, find a good moment, retreat if necessary.
(I don't know who Eri is. Am I going to get horribly spoilered? I'm anime only)
[X]Observe first. It's useless to rush into a situation appropriate knowledge of its circumstances. Forewarned is forearmed.
-[X] If she falls asleep before any useful observation turns up, ask her why she wishes to leave and who does she fear in her dreams.
[X]Contact Izuku and tell him to stand up to his detractors and bullies! It's a divine order, you will not have a meek weakling represent your glory!
-[X]Tell him to get physical or use miracles if he must. People still think of him as quirkless which is technically true, but he still has powers beyond mortal reckoning! Showing them off is only natural.
--[X]Tell him to approach this like they are villains. Plan ahead, find a good moment, retreat if necessary.
(I don't know who Eri is. Am I going to get horribly spoilered? I'm anime only)
[X]Observe first. It's useless to rush into a situation appropriate knowledge of its circumstances. Forewarned is forearmed.
-[X] If she falls asleep before any useful observation turns up, ask her why she wishes to leave and who does she fear in her dreams.
- Location
- Brazil
They can respond to crime quickly, organizing an attack on a fortified compound in an entire diferent story, remenber canonicaly it took multiple heroes conrdinating, dozens of officers, they had time to plan and still they barely pulled it off.
If it happens in front of him I doubt anyone can do anything, but in this case I figure he is going to be dogpilled and forced to listem to reason.
They have been deaing with her since she was born, no one is going to mistake her power for our smackdow and she won't get mad that is simple not a part of her personality, and we can't reak the building whitout ending the sanctuary.
He is going to survive. if anyone was going to survive multiple smackdowns is him, and bluffing is kind hard when we can only do it once adn he can just bring an army of nomus.
His Genius intelect ? His will of iron ? A century of experience dealing with quircks inside and out ? a dozen quirks that help with the task ? All of the above?
The real question is why he wouldn't be tremendously better off realy.
She has no control, not getting close means no one ever getting close to her at any time because we never know when she would act up and end then. Can we realy count on no one we care a lick about ever getting close to her ? When she is living with the good guys ?
More likely he kidnaps due to the convenience of having other people bringing quirks to him, specialy considering his condition.
And One For All proves nothing, considering it's origin and Toshinori statement that it can only be passed on purpose it makes way more sense for it to e the one quirk he can't steal, otherwise why not take it from any of the weaker generations before All-Might ?
- Location
- Sweden
For more active mana gain from followers, you need an actual temple for them to pray at, with a worshipper with a high enough worshipper rating to act as priest.
Not currently, you haven't had any direct interaction with quirks yet, so you haven't even created the Knowledge: Quirks skill.
I presume you mean miracles? And no, miracles are restricted to being purchased with XP from the shop or created with time. New miracles are added to the shop if you fulfill certain (hidden) criteria or unlock the next tier of miracles.
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I do not remember canon, having never read it. However, I doubt they took multiple weeks to arrange everything, and this time around they will have way more info and fire-power available, as well as a Miracle that makes it impossible for the Bad Guys to attempt to harm them while they are inside the building.
That would only work if the others have a chance to dog-pile him. Which won't really be the case if we go to him directly.
I never said they would mistake our power for hers. What I said that they'd probably be hesitant to approach, because they don't know what the fuck just happened but everyone and everything around her was just fucking vaporized. They have no idea where it came from, and they have no idea if it could strike again (though to be fair, I kinda doubt them knowing that they pissed of a God would make them feel much better). As far as they know, the next person who does try to approach her will end up very very dead.
And yeah, it'd end Sanctuary, but I did say we'd do that if things went to far. We'd only do it when we decide that we can't handle this non-lethally.
Thing is, from the way it's described, I rather doubt ANYONE would survive multiple smack downs without being literally invulnerable (which he aint). What's more, there is the question of what does HE know. He doesn't know there is some God looming overhead, with a very limited pool of Mana. All he knows is that, as soon as he got close, it felt like the wrath of god itself bared down on him. How would he have any idea of how many times that could happen?
Alright, here's why he wouldn't be tremendously better off. 1) Quirks are special. Every one has their own ins and outs and specifications. Bakugo is very familiar with his explosions, but that doesn't mean he would know a thing about controlling Navel Laser Beams. It'd require at-least experience with quirks like Eri's, but if he has had quirks like hers, then he wouldn't need hers. 2) Iron Will doesn't really mean squat. Deku has Iron-Will as well, but that didn't stop him from shattering his body several times over every-time he used One For All. He had to learn to manage the power. 3) He still needs time to figure out how to use the powers. Time we have absolutely no reason to give him, when we can be smacking him again and again. Because if we are expecting him to come along, why would we not prepare a nice stockpile of mana?
She ain't living with the good guys mid battle. That's what we are talking about, her supposedly causing trouble mid battle. Also, question, if she has no control, then how did she avoid erasing Deku?
Doesn't really apply, when he has his own teleporting quirk. His condition might be bad, but it was good enough to go toe-to-toe with (a weakened) All Might, so it's more than good enough to pop over and snatch whatever he wants, if said snatching was so simple.
Presumably the same reason he didn't just turbo-murder the prior, weaker versions. He couldn't find them or didn't know they were a thing.
Double darn again. On a mostly unrelated note, how high an understanding of Humans do we need to get for Minor Cure Wounds to be able to deal with Exhaustion and what not?
Also, higher tier miracles, are they more cost effective than lower tier ones? You mentioned that Wrathful Smite is a T3, but it only costs as much as some of the other T1s.
- Location
- Florida
[X] Question Izuku about his classmates behavior, and his reaction (or lack of it).
-[X] Why is he still acting like they are right? Like his dream to be a hero is foolish?
-[X] Point out that he is your prophet and should start acting like it. Stand tall and proud, young man, for god is with you.
-[X] Suggest that he (but do not force him to) use miracles.
[X]Observe first. It's useless to rush into a situation appropriate knowledge of its circumstances. Forewarned is forearmed.
-[X] If she falls asleep before any useful observation turns up, ask her why she wishes to leave and who does she fear in her dreams.
-[X] Why is he still acting like they are right? Like his dream to be a hero is foolish?
-[X] Point out that he is your prophet and should start acting like it. Stand tall and proud, young man, for god is with you.
-[X] Suggest that he (but do not force him to) use miracles.
[X]Observe first. It's useless to rush into a situation appropriate knowledge of its circumstances. Forewarned is forearmed.
-[X] If she falls asleep before any useful observation turns up, ask her why she wishes to leave and who does she fear in her dreams.
- Location
- Sweden
I won't answer the first as it's information Deus does not have access to. As for the second, the higher tier miracles usually have a greater effect at equal to or greater mana cost than the previous tier. The reason some of the T1 miracles cost 10MP to cast is that they're exceptions to the rule, stutter being very powerful to completely halt time, while Sanctuary provides a semi-powerful effect permanently on a large-ish area. Wrathful smite is more comparable to a much upgraded version of Sunburst or Divine Wrath.
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- He/Him
[X] Question Izuku about his classmates behavior, and his reaction (or lack of it).
-[X] Why is he still acting like they are right? Like his dream to be a hero is foolish?
-[X] Point out that he is your prophet and should start acting like it. Stand tall and proud, young man, for god is with you.
-[X] Suggest that he (but do not force him to) use miracles.
[X]Observe first. It's useless to rush into a situation appropriate knowledge of its circumstances. Forewarned is forearmed.
-[X] If she falls asleep before any useful observation turns up, ask her why she wishes to leave and who does she fear in her dreams.
-[X] Why is he still acting like they are right? Like his dream to be a hero is foolish?
-[X] Point out that he is your prophet and should start acting like it. Stand tall and proud, young man, for god is with you.
-[X] Suggest that he (but do not force him to) use miracles.
[X]Observe first. It's useless to rush into a situation appropriate knowledge of its circumstances. Forewarned is forearmed.
-[X] If she falls asleep before any useful observation turns up, ask her why she wishes to leave and who does she fear in her dreams.
- Location
- Sweden
The upcoming arc will have manga spoilers, and depending how it is resolved, the spoiler characters might stick around. So if you don't want spoilers from the manga I would advise going no further than this point in the quest. I'll put a warning up at the start of the next chapter so no one is caught unawares by manga spoilers.
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- Location
- Brazil
It showns.
Considering in canon the battle was mostly about beating then before they managed to escape I think this may backfire.
It is true that every quirk is diferent, but that is the thing there are those who are naturaly strong and those who are strong due to how they are used, and we also know diferent people have diferent aptitudes.
Take Deku for example, he can control his power but all the will in the world doesn't matter because his body simple can't handle the full power, he needs time, practice, sweat and tears to squeeze each extra percent of strengh, and in the same vein is the naval laser a quirk his owner has a hard time controling and must be careful not to harm his body.
Yet Toshinori could use 100% of One For All the second he gained it, we know it so for a fact.
Eri's power is not one that is strong due to decades of personalied refined technique, it is naturaly strong she just has no ability to control it, All for One is a genius with more than a century of experience stealing all kinds of quirks, he is simple orders of magnitude more prepared to handle that power.
Also we can at most smack him twice and thats it.
Before battle, mid battle, after battle, who knows when it is going o act up, specialy when someone is inevitaly goin to try to carry her to safety.
She didn't avoid erasing him, Izuku just keep destroying his body continuosly with full power whie she contiously rewinded him, that entire battle he was a moment way from being erased and at the end it was pointed how close he cut it.
It says the mortal would need soem seriously enhanced toughness, this is All for One we are talking about, he has tirty diferent touhgness enhancing quirks and twenty regeneration ones , he will probaly figure things out when the third smack doesn't come, because if anyone is going to survive that much is going to be him.
Well on one hand he was trying to lay low while he recovered, on the other his teleportation quirk has a lot of limitations.
He personaly created the quirk and every wielder is implicated to have fought him.
Ultramandalore
Errant Quester
- Location
- just south of Parts Unknown
[X]Contact Izuku and tell him to stand up to his detractors and bullies! It's a divine order, you will not have a meek weakling represent your glory!
-[X]Tell him to get physical or use miracles if he must. People still think of him as quirkless which is technically true, but he still has powers beyond mortal reckoning! Showing them off is only natural.
[X]Observe first. It's useless to rush into a situation appropriate knowledge of its circumstances. Forewarned is forearmed.
-[X] If she falls asleep before any useful observation turns up, ask her why she wishes to leave and who does she fear in her dreams.
-[X]Tell him to get physical or use miracles if he must. People still think of him as quirkless which is technically true, but he still has powers beyond mortal reckoning! Showing them off is only natural.
[X]Observe first. It's useless to rush into a situation appropriate knowledge of its circumstances. Forewarned is forearmed.
-[X] If she falls asleep before any useful observation turns up, ask her why she wishes to leave and who does she fear in her dreams.
Beating them will probably be a lot easier when the bad guys can't resort to violence. The Good Guys have a lot more non-violent methods of dealing with someone than the Bad Guys do. And honestly, I personally don't really care if they do escape, as long as they don't take Eri.
He has tons of experience stealing quirks, but you got not basis to say that experience with other quirks will help him with this quirk. After all, how many other quirks dealt with time manipulation?
Side-note, a theory I heard and personally agree with, is that Toshinori actually did have a quirk before getting One For All. His Buff Form, something we don't see at all in Deku, and something he can still do even after losing all access to One For All. Would help explain why he was chosen, if the previous person saw he had an ability that would allow him to channel all of their strength at once.
He doesn't know we can only smack him twice. That is the main thing I keep coming back to, what he knows. Why do you think he'll stick around after the first all-mighty smack?
Before and Mid, it's rather easy to keep the Good Guys away. Just a simple "Hey, be careful to keep your distance. She can't quite control her powers. Don't worry, I can keep her safe." After, we got more options, and is something we will have to deal with regardless of how we go about solving this problem (unless you are suggesting we just leave her and let some other god deal with that situation).
So her quirk didn't erase him simply because it prioritized healing him first? Then that would mean it'd prioritize healing All Might, who simply would either need to back off as soon as hes healed.
Would need some seriously enhanced toughness to survive one swat. So yeah, he def could survive one. But who knows about multiple. As for quirks, the wiki explicitely states he has 3 Strength Enhancement quirks, and 4 Kinetic Booster quirks. That is far fewer than the dozens you said.
As for figuring it out when the 3rd smack doesn't come, why would he stick around after the first, let alone the second? Some invisible enemy just struck him with a LOT of force, you think he'll decide to just hang around to see if they'll do it again?
His teleportation quirk has a lot of limitations, but not as many as you make it out to be. I don't know what you are quoting, but I'm pulling my quote straight from the MHA Wiki page on Warping
He could easily have handed it off to any of his loyal lackies, and have them port him over to someone, snatch the quirk, and port out in under a half minute. Quick, efficient, untraceable, the perfect plan if the process was that quick.
He created the quirk by accident. Giving it to his brother. Doesn't mean he knew it was made, or what happened to his brother after he ran off. As for the past wielders having fought him, how did they not die? All Might was the strongest they've ever been, both literally and with his ability to use the quirk effectively, and he still was crippled by the fight.
- Location
- Australia
[X]Tell him to take the high road. Ignoring bullies is the best way to deal with them, and they are inconsequential insects on his path to becoming both your prophet and a hero, no need to bring himself down to their level.
-[X] But never shirk the opportunity to turn them into friends and allies. A true Hero never ignores a chance to help others(even from themselves) and a true Prophet never denies someone a chance to hear the Good Word.
[X]Observe first. It's useless to rush into a situation appropriate knowledge of its circumstances. Forewarned is forearmed.
-[X] If she falls asleep before any useful observation turns up, ask her why she wishes to leave and who does she fear in her dreams.
-[X] But never shirk the opportunity to turn them into friends and allies. A true Hero never ignores a chance to help others(even from themselves) and a true Prophet never denies someone a chance to hear the Good Word.
[X]Observe first. It's useless to rush into a situation appropriate knowledge of its circumstances. Forewarned is forearmed.
-[X] If she falls asleep before any useful observation turns up, ask her why she wishes to leave and who does she fear in her dreams.
- Location
- Brazil
Heres the problem, they want to escape with Eri, the police wants to capture them and All-Might would want to save her first.
For your plan to work they would have to run away whitout prioritizing carring Eri, the police would have to move too fast to actualy make sure to capture then all and All-Might would have to act on his nature an then ignore it.
Yes the good guys have multiple non-harmfull means of capture, but them gathering those specificaly would take time.
And you plan depends on a sactuary keeping her safe and helping the good guys while not helping the bad ones to stall when there will be at least four actors able and willing to destroy the building depending on the situation.
That is why your plan falls apart, it it full of points of failure were you assume thinfs will go in a convenient way even when that doesn't make sense.
I am not saying to ignore her situation but rushing in as we are is bound to go wrong.
On one hand that theory is wrong, we know he was quirkless, that the mucle form was his original base form and it was even mentione recently how his talent to using One For All wasn't a quirk.
On the other the idea that some quirks help with others is also one of ther reason why I think All for one would quicly figue Eris quirck.
First the wiki only mentions quirks he explicitly used, he is the source of all the nomus quirks, he has been coleting quirks for longer than a century, he has a vastly larger stockpile than what we have seen already, that is just a fact.
And a better question is why would he run away ? He would probably search for the enemy or make a run for Eri, but running away at the first sign of trouble is not something a final boss does, specialy since is used to all-mighty attacks, and also powers tend to have limits so if he is still standing end we stop he is likely to assume we just can't keep going, if we could smack him 5-6 times I could maybe see him cutting his loses, but our lack of follow up means when he gets over the weirderness of the situation we are back to step one.
No she didn't prioritize healing, that is not how it works becasue hers isn't a healing power.
Eris power is to rewind to a previous state, so Deku countered it be constantly fast fowarding from the state of healthy to mangled, while he was contantly turned to a previous state.
It should be noted that he was on the brink of being vanished, yet keep his olders scars, so Eri would kill All Might long before she healed him
I also got ir formt he wiki, and honestly not only would at that point be easier to ust have his underlingns grab people for him, but leaving tons of now quirckless people around is perfectly traceable when you are the only know method of quirk removal.
Well All Might master was killed, so I assume the same happened to all the others.