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veekie said:
Right, so nothing too fancy due to small numbers. And our gender ratio is soon to be a disaster...
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Primitive tribes like yours are pretty egalitarian, so it's not like you didn't loose a fair deal of woman too, but yeah. It's getting a bit lopsided and might earn you a value if you keep bleeding population left and right by warfare.
 
[X] [Leadership] The council would be restructured. The seats would be no longer tied to one group, but whenever one was vacant, any villager of good standing could become the new Councillor. (Council positions no longer tied to one specific faction, ???)
[X] [Dead] Bury them by the new rites. The exception made for of lesser clans to keep to their old rites is a privilege that these traitors do not deserve
 
[X] [Leadership] The council would be restructured. The seats would be no longer tied to one group, but whenever one was vacant, any villager of good standing could become the new Councillor. (Council positions no longer tied to one specific faction, ???)
[X] [Dead] Bury them by the new rites. The exception made for of lesser clans to keep to their old rites is a privilege that these traitors do not deserve
 
[X] [Leadership] The tribe needed stronger leaders then the council, thus Snow-Fox and Red-Wolf would lead it as chieftains. (Government becomes Tribal Chiefdom, ???)
[X] [Dead] Throw the traitors into the river. No sign of them shall be left and no honorable burial shall they receive.
 
[X] [Leadership] The tribe needed stronger leaders then the council, thus Snow-Fox and Red-Wolf would lead it as chieftains. (Government becomes Tribal Chiefdom, ???)
[X] [Dead] Bury them by the new rites. The exception made for of lesser clans to keep to their old rites is a privilege that these traitors do not deserve.
 
[X] [Leadership] The council would be restructured. The seats would be no longer tied to one group, but whenever one was vacant, any villager of good standing could become the new Councillor. (Council positions no longer tied to one specific faction, ???)
[X] [Dead] Bury them by the new rites. The exception made for of lesser clans to keep to their old rites is a privilege that these traitors do not deserve.
 
So first the thing I think I can sway, same outcome, different motivation.

[X] [Dead] Bury them by the new rites. The dead are to be remembered, our traitors perhaps moreso.

This isn't about privilege at all, I think it very important to cut down on the natural tendency to distance yourself from shameful behaviour.
It's important to remember We did this to Ourselves.

[/] [Leadership] They were told that the council would be reassembled as it was as soon as possible. (???)

Snow-Fox and Red-Wolf would form the majority of the council anyway, likely a member of the minor clans will gain representation.

Now it's more important than ever for people to have a voice in the leadership lest they fear voiced grumblings a sign of betrayal to current leadership.
Adhoc vote count started by Deliste on Jun 29, 2018 at 6:12 AM, finished with 1435 posts and 16 votes.
  • [X] [Leadership] The tribe needed stronger leaders then the council, thus Snow-Fox and Red-Wolf would lead it as chieftains. (Government becomes Tribal Chiefdom, ???)
    [X] [Dead] Bury them by the new rites. The exception made for of lesser clans to keep to their old rites is a privilege that these traitors do not deserve.
    [X] [Leadership] The council would be restructured. The seats would be no longer tied to one group, but whenever one was vacant, any villager of good standing could become the new Councillor. (Council positions no longer tied to one specific faction, ???)
    [X] [Leadership] They were told that the council would be reassembled as it was as soon as possible. (???)
    [X] [Dead] Throw the traitors into the river. No sign of them shall be left and no honorable burial shall they receive.
    [X] [Dead] Bury them by the new rites. The dead are to be remembered, our traitors perhaps moreso.
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Deliste said:
[X] [Leadership] They were told that the council would be reassembled as it was as soon as possible. (???)

Snow-Fox and Red-Wolf would form the majority of the council anyway, likely a member of the minor clans will gain representation.

Now it's more important than ever for people to have a voice in the leadership lest they fear voiced grumblings a sign of betrayal to current leadership.
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If you reassemble the council as it was, you will get a new matron and try to somehow scrounge up someone passing for an Elder. There is no chance for Red-Wolf to get either of those posts and Snow-Fox is occupying the Great Hunter post already.

Getting her a spot would require the restructuring of the council. Likewise, the minor clans would still be excluded without a reform.
 
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Azel said:
If you reassemble the council as it was, you will get a new matron and try to somehow scrounge up someone passing for an Elder. There is no chance for Red-Wolf to get either of those posts and Snow-Fox is occupying the Great Hunter post already.

Getting her a spot would require the restructuring of the council. Likewise, the minor clans would still be excluded without a reform.
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The Old Council was representative of groups, there are now no Elders as a group so they don't need representation, we should have a new Matron and Red-Wolf would represent the minor clans.

That was the intention to get them representation before all this shit, adding them to the existing council.

Did you deliberately not have the Intent of the Council as an option, to represent the (new) different groups of the Tribe?

Restructuring as you have put it forth in the chapter is completely different.
 
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Deliste said:
The Old Council was representative of groups, there are now no Elders as a group so they don't need representation, we should have a new Matron and Red-Wolf would represent the minor clans.
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They were representative of the old groups not all the groups, thus they wont fit.
Deliste said:
Did you deliberately not have the Intent of the Council as an option, to represent the (new) different groups of the Tribe?
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Intent? How should we know the intent of those who are now dead? Clearly we are simply holding to the old ways of before not your silly ideas that you know the intent of the dead.

:V
 
Deliste said:
The Old Council was representative of groups, there are now no Elders as a group so they don't need representation, we should have a new Matron and Red-Wolf would represent the minor clans.

That was the intention to get them representation before all this shit, adding them to the existing council.

Did you deliberately not have the Intent of the Council as an option, to represent the (new) different groups of the Tribe?

Restructuring as you have put it forth in the chapter is completely different.
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I did indeed leave that option out, since the council just campaigned for the support of the minor clans on a platform of assimilation, crushed an uprising over the matter and the voters were quite happy to learn that this broke the clans as a culture, with the remnants likely fading over the coming generations. Giving the minor clans a political function hinging on them being a distinct group would be odd indeed and give them a second wind to keep their own culture.


Mind you, I'm afraid that your write-in for dead won't work out. Given the events preceding it, burying the dead clansmen by your new rites will not be perceived as anything but forcing them to conform to the villages ideals even after death, no matter what you say about it. It would take using their own rites to make it a gesture of reconciliation.
 
[X] [Leadership] The tribe needed stronger leaders then the council, thus Snow-Fox and Red-Wolf would lead it as chieftains. (Government becomes Tribal Chiefdom, ???)
[X] [Dead] Throw the traitors into the river. No sign of them shall be left and no honorable burial shall they receive.
 
[X] [Leadership] The council would be restructured. The seats would be no longer tied to one group, but whenever one was vacant, any villager of good standing could become the new Councillor. (Council positions no longer tied to one specific faction, ???)
[X] [Dead] Bury them by the new rites. The exception made for of lesser clans to keep to their old rites is a privilege that these traitors do not deserve.
 
[X] [Leadership] The tribe needed stronger leaders then the council, thus Snow-Fox and Red-Wolf would lead it as chieftains. (Government becomes Tribal Chiefdom, ???)
[X] [Dead] Bury them by the new rites. The exception made for of lesser clans to keep to their old rites is a privilege that these traitors do not deserve.
 
[X] [Leadership] The council would be restructured. The seats would be no longer tied to one group, but whenever one was vacant, any villager of good standing could become the new Councillor. (Council positions no longer tied to one specific faction, ???)
[X] [Dead] Bury them by the new rites. The exception made for of lesser clans to keep to their old rites is a privilege that these traitors do not deserve
 
[X] [Leadership] The council would be restructured. The seats would be no longer tied to one group, but whenever one was vacant, any villager of good standing could become the new Councillor. (Council positions no longer tied to one specific faction, ???)
[X] [Dead] Bury them by the new rites. The exception made for of lesser clans to keep to their old rites is a privilege that these traitors do not deserve
 
[X] [Leadership] The council would be restructured. The seats would be no longer tied to one group, but whenever one was vacant, any villager of good standing could become the new Councillor. (Council positions no longer tied to one specific faction, ???)
[X] [Dead] Bury them by the new rites. The exception made for of lesser clans to keep to their old rites is a privilege that these traitors do not deserve
 
[X] [Leadership] The council would be restructured. The seats would be no longer tied to one group, but whenever one was vacant, any villager of good standing could become the new Councillor. (Council positions no longer tied to one specific faction, ???)
[X] [Dead] Bury them by the new rites. The exception made for of lesser clans to keep to their old rites is a privilege that these traitors do not deserve.

"In order to ensure our security and continuing stability, the Tribal Council will be reorganized into the first Tribal Chiefdom, for a safe and secure society."

Yeah no, let's not become Ymaryn clones.
 
[X] [Leadership] The council would be restructured. The seats would be no longer tied to one group, but whenever one was vacant, any villager of good standing could become the new Councillor. (Council positions no longer tied to one specific faction, ???)
[X] [Dead] Bury them by the new rites. The exception made for of lesser clans to keep to their old rites is a privilege that these traitors do not deserve.
 
[X] [Leadership] The council would be restructured. The seats would be no longer tied to one group, but whenever one was vacant, any villager of good standing could become the new Councillor. (Council positions no longer tied to one specific faction, ???)
[X] [Dead] Bury them by the new rites. The exception made for of lesser clans to keep to their old rites is a privilege that these traitors do not deserve
 
Azel said:
Mind you, I'm afraid that your write-in for dead won't work out. Given the events preceding it, burying the dead clansmen by your new rites will not be perceived as anything but forcing them to conform to the villages ideals even after death, no matter what you say about it. It would take using their own rites to make it a gesture of reconciliation.
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Wasn't really intended to be a gesture of reconciliation
 
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