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Even Further Beyond [Complete]
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Well, yes. However, there's a reason why the play is to go DIFH+L-D instead of DIFH+Bonus here - later is likely to give us both Flare and Love resistance by the time this timeskip ends, however, we only really need to get spell by the time Heroine awakenes. So instead, this works on getting more Fated Love resistance to go along with Flare, allowing us to be better defended against it when facing the Heroine, which also means less chance of Fated Love interfering in Acting as Truth.
You trade True Diagram research for more quality when facing Heroine. That mean later True Incarnation, but if we do beat Heroine than that won't matter much. There are scenarios where we could get both Incarnation and Flare before Heroine awakens with +Bonus or not get Flare by the time Heroine awakens without +Bonus, but i don't think that they are very likely.
All the things that can be inferred from her species and social position. They're not certain, but we hardly know nothing.
...it is really good in context, actually. Huh. All Paths has given us enough power to not have to expend essence regularly on trash mobs, so we could afford to save it for what really matters: cutting through Fate's BS.
Though with its three modes, the idea we would only use Azure Flare for Acting as Truth is unlikely at best. That's really the worst thing about it I can see: it's worth more the less we use it. It's the opposite of Value Town. It chafes... but that's hardly a meaningful complaint.
It explicitly can kill us, and even if it doesn't, that would not be much consolation if it destroys most of our power base. There is absolutely no indication anywhere that Act as Truth could be considered cheap.
Um, but the cost still matters because we have to face Zang Kong afterwards though?
Heroine awakens in, what, 1 or 2 years... If it puts us back in Cultivation progress such that it undoes those 2 years of cultivation -- or even just 1 year... well then we're kind of in a bit of a pickle versus Zang Kong aren't we?
Heroine requires esoteric defense and offense.
But Zang Kong requires us to hit a certain bar in pure power, or else we're probably screwed.
Well yeah. It allows you to ignore Time, Space, Fate, Death, Essence, Matter(Stone), Force(Energy), Flesh, Blood, Illusions and Knowledge while you are acting according to your principles. It's immensely powerful, but not something you can spam, or even use outside of very few situation. Still, access to such "fuck off i win" button is obviously very strong.
Still, Truthsaying and Nimbus are still super useful when talking with others, and are something we can actually use.
a) There is nothing there about killing us and
B) Which is why you get DIFH and L-D to reduce Acting as Truth cost, yes.
We get wish after defeating the Heroine, which we plan to use on killing the Fates to bind Kong in some fashion.
I thought it was to empower us? If the sacrifice a single (admitteldy great) elf could elevate us to the peak of the seventh Stage, I'm sure the Fates can do better.
And now I'm wondering if it can be used to eliminate the sacrifice of time required for researching Time Sign spells.
Or if the sacrifice of time all has to be from one person. If only there was a way to make hordes of paid minions contribute their time instead.
... Which may not be enough by itself to deal with him. Especially if we're trying to split our wish between 3 objectives; get revenge on the Fates, drain them of power or empower ourselves, bind Kong.
Which is why I want to have a very high Cultivation level too.
Plus, True Incarnation is just good to get anyway. Comboing with Azure Flare, or providing a +.25 stage boost, is just one of the things. Furthermore, it won't just defend us against "Fated Love" (and do so better than trying to swear an oath) it'll defend us against any other mindfuck coming from the Heroine too, like trying to diplomance us; not just Fated Love.
I mean, empowering us and weakening Kong accomplishes the same goal. We would love more personal power, but at this point i think that throwing Kong into Nothingness would be perfectly acceptable outcome as long as we can guarantee that he can't reach Existence.
People seem unwilling to kill him given the populace he represents, so I don't think that personal power is the way to go here.
It isn't. I provided why it's inefficient, on the last page even.
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Oh come on man, don't be taken in by those who can't appreciate a proper elven waifu
Well, I can't agree with you there. With Aurelia's Ring, we've just confirmed that superhuman charm and beauty ignore our Ring. We cannot assume that this is a quality specific to Majesty.
True Incarnation is what the Immortal Awakening has synergy with. It's one integral component of our build path.
Ah yes, that thing we won't get in next three to four years.
Meanwhile, all other stuff has limited usefulness as mentioned earlier, making it inefficient option to pick if you have Fated Love resistance already.
People want Palimpsest to be our third True Spell simply because others are not really necessary. True Spells, while powerful and cool, are not needed to close this one out.
Besides, it's not like we can't get Incarnation later.
Still don't rightly know what to choose, but I think I'll pick
[X] Do It For Her
[X] Lovey-Dovey
The BP is attractive, but we're not that far from having enough to reach the prerequisite 7 BP even without Stay the Course. Of course, if +2 MP was anywhere close to being a contender we might have had a chance for an undiscounted EFB (e.g. spend the timeskip researching Grand Essence Diagram), but as things stand I feel safe enough picking DIFH (while maximizing the effects with LD) and trusting in the power of Social Links. I'm also curious what her Loyalty proc is going to give us - even if we can't take the Ring from her without going down a really dark path, there might be a way for us to bask in its reflected light regardless. After all, as her husband (are we King or Queen?) we theoretically share in her authority.
[X] Do It For Her
[X] Lovey-Dovey
The BP is attractive, but we're not that far from having enough to reach the prerequisite 7 BP even without Stay the Course. Of course, if +2 MP was anywhere close to being a contender we might have had a chance for an undiscounted EFB (e.g. spend the timeskip researching Grand Essence Diagram), but as things stand I feel safe enough picking DIFH (while maximizing the effects with LD) and trusting in the power of Social Links. I'm also curious what her Loyalty proc is going to give us - even if we can't take the Ring from her without going down a really dark path, there might be a way for us to bask in its reflected light regardless. After all, as her husband (are we King or Queen?) we theoretically share in her authority.
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I am not going to support any plan that only relies on Act as Truth, I see it as something of a last resort thing.
We can create an estoric diagram spells and True spell it to deal with the heroine. That's what I am going to argue for. True Incarnation is the way to go.
Our elf waifu can probably help us here.
We can create an estoric diagram spells and True spell it to deal with the heroine. That's what I am going to argue for. True Incarnation is the way to go.
Our elf waifu can probably help us here.
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Rihaku has said that our Truespell loadout will be different with Extrusion. I'm thinking True Amplification, then probably some mix of Cerebation, Deleberation or OTW. I'm personally hesitant on getting True Palimpsest for anything but Form of Balance/Virtuosity, since the logical conclusion of True Palimpsest (Elder Beast) would appear to be.. not very desirable? I'm not sure. True Potentiation, too, I'm slightly hesitant.
Of course, True Palimpsest might give us the ability to just swap out loadouts, which would be pretty good. Get the benefits of Elder Beast/Warmain without the negatives!
Of course, True Palimpsest might give us the ability to just swap out loadouts, which would be pretty good. Get the benefits of Elder Beast/Warmain without the negatives!
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You keep referring to it very obliquely. What do we actually know?
We know that she's inhumanly benevolent and loving - theoretically it's possible for all this to be a deception, but that would require that the elves fake their millennia-old culture and biology. They're good, but not that good. We also know that her attributes have long shot straight through the stratosphere, - the only area we're superior in is physical might, - that she is superhumanly persuasive, and everything that follows from these facts. Another thing we've been told by Amouthanos is that our personalities are not incompatible, and seeing the latest update I'm inclined to believe him. They would risk too much by lying about that anyway, since superhuman persuasion doesn't imply perfect mind-control.
What can I say? Amouthanos knows his stuff.
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Also that once she falls in love with us that's it, she'll never act against us and that she isn't evangelical and doesn't want to start giant crusades to save 10 dying human babies and stuff like that.
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Cerebration would be desirable, given that Extrusion is more focused on hunting down and finishing the Heroine off, but Deliberation wouldn't be bad either.
I've theorized earlier that True Incarnation might allow us to ignore Cerebration cost, which would be fairly massive.