Even Further Beyond [Complete]

I want to kill heroine quickly as possible or atleast get her into some shadow realm for decade or something like that.


Atleast made her non active in mortal realm of Imperium so we don't waste mastermind point to counter her.

Awaken heroine will sap us out of mastermind point that we can convert to BP.

So kill her with Azure Flare or some diagram and getting wish or damage her enough for us to convert BP freely.
 
Obviously, but that's what makes so good. Our allies are completely overshadowed in combat arena thanks to our crazy growth.

Seriously, Diagram research that scales with combat level? Yes please!
I have some doubt our combat level will effect her lieutenant buff.

By not meeting her until we kill her. Hopefully the elves can brief us on Lady Spring's preferred tactics. They might also be able to tell us what counter-measures did and didn't work against them before. Buying time like I propose before we meet her should give us more resistance to esoteric effects such as this. It gives us extra time to develop Immortal Techniques, refine our Extrusion, and gain spells.

Killing her will get us a Wish, but we only need the Wish at some point before Kong wakes up.

The issue where 1 Cultivation Stage != 1 Combat Stages was present when you presented argument for the first time. If she was unlikely to become relevant to a Grand Solipsism Cultivator in less than two years then, how much harder will it be when we're high trans-titanic?

As a total side note, I wonder if it would be more efficient to make the binding marriage artifact for the Seventh Princess polygynous, to bind Suizhen and Xiaoling to Nameless with it as well. That avoids Fated Love or related subversion mechanisms being used to turn them. Even if they aren't too dangerous in combat, they could be very dangerous in terms of social and intelligence terms.



Even with all those estoric effects do you really expect us to kill her in one attempt? I am expecting her to survive the best we can throw, she will probably get sent to some time dilation realm, from where she will return after gaining +8 combat stages of power.

That's why I want to start destroying her credibility before she really starts escalating.
 
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As a total side note, I wonder if it would be more efficient to make the binding marriage artifact for the Seventh Princess polygynous, to bind Suizhen and Xiaoling to Nameless with it as well. That avoids Fated Love or related subversion mechanisms being used to turn them. Even if they aren't too dangerous in combat, they could be very dangerous in terms of social and intelligence terms.
Well I wouldn't be opposed to that if it's possible since as fun as Aurelia's interactions with Nameless in the latest update are, I do feel kinda bad about them losing out to a sudden political marriage no one could have foreseen.
 
I wonder if Aurelia can help with Truth Research. Some form of Knowledge Battle Magic mind link might work, allowing us to temporarily and partially merge minds and share tasks between the two (or more) brains/souls depending on which is most efficient, pairing Nameless' supreme intuition for Diagram Magic with her transcendent intelligence*. Making it a True spell would also be an interesting option.

I would really like it if we could make an artifact that allows married Ringbearers to share the benefits of their Rings more directly, but I doubt Rihaku (or the Fates) would allow such a thing.

* this seems like a much more efficient way of creating a superior intelligence spell as opposed to Deliberation's approach. Unifying disparate approaches seems likely to produce something greater than the some of its parts. Imagine what the conjoined insight of four Ringbearers, one of them already Thrice Great, and one of them an ancient elf, could produce.
 
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[X] Do It For Her
[X] Lovey-Dovey


Because I'm a filthy Degenerate I'm going to go with this.

I do have quite the fear of forced love so that resistance is pretty good, and since it scales off loyalty might as well take the loyalty booster with it.

Also I think it's cute, so sue me.
 
That or we get something from the non-addioverse Praxis or combat cursebearer powers that can.
Kinda tricky since we know it's best suited for creation rather than negation. A relevant Remittance is probably the best bet for a Cursebearer build.

E: this isn't wholly accurate, make sure to read Rihaku's statement below about it being oriented around harm.
 
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[X] Do It For Her
[X] Lovey-Dovey


Because I'm a filthy Degenerate I'm going to go with this.

I do have quite the fear of forced love so that resistance is pretty good, and since it scales off loyalty might as well take the loyalty booster with it.

Also I think it's cute, so sue me.
*nods*

Cute is Justice

Aurelia is Cute and the freckles make her Super Cute

Therefoooooore Aurelia is SUPER JUSTICE

It's self-evident :D
 
It may not be a good idea to kill the Heroine as, with that threat removed Kong might choose to activate the kill switch in our eyes if there is one.
 

As a note, Rihaku previously implied, but my reading (I could be wrong), that coming up with ideas for Diagram research might influence whether it came up with an option.

I (obviously) think that my mental Voltron spell with the elven Ringbearers* is a good option. The combination of what could be developed with conjoined Might, Grace, Truth, Lore, Severity, and Majesty would hopefully be pretty impressive. Even if we can only use it to design Diagram Spells or improved Cultivation stages, Cultivation is built on top of all the magical paradigms that came before, and no Cultivator will ever have so directly benefited from the insights of actually using the magic themselves. Who knows what improvements to Cultivation methods, novel spells or insights into Truth we could develop if we get access to and combined those alternative perspectives on both Cultivation and the Diagram. For example, Lore at least seems to have fallen to the Diagram Schools and one of the Ascendant Signs created as a result. We can say what even a fleeting perspective of what Lore truly is could do to aid in developing spells of the Sign.

Does anyone have any other ideas? I've briefly considered a (Further) Beyond Force Battle Diagram that allows you to steal the effects of other external magic, rather than simply dispel it, that might work nicely here.

* when the elven's mook hero gets out of training we could try adding Rubric to the gestalt sometimes and see if he adds anything.
 
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Killing her will get us a Wish, but we only need the Wish at some point before Kong wakes up.

Depends on what the Wish can do.

Well I wouldn't be opposed to that if it's possible since as fun as Aurelia's interactions with Nameless in the latest update are, I do feel kinda bad about them losing out to a sudden political marriage no one could have foreseen.

No one, huh. That's a strange name for Amouthanos!

Kinda tricky since we know it's best suited for creation rather than negation. A relevant Remittance is probably the best bet for a Cursebearer build.

First and foremost, the Praxis is the ultimate sword and shield. Infliction and prevention of harm is its core purview!

It may not be a good idea to kill the Heroine as, with that threat removed Kong might choose to activate the kill switch in our eyes if there is one.

He's not awake right now...
 
I wonder about the Ring of Severity. Mainly because it is apparently in the hands of the First Of The Praxis Council. Makes one suspicious. The boss of the guy who schooled us in the art of diplomacy...

Also, does that mean its wielder, Princess Antimony (named after a a metal, btw), is a plain looking Elf ?!?
 
I (obviously) think that my mental Voltron spell with the elven Ringbearers* is a good option. The combination of what could be developed with conjoined Might, Grace, Truth, Lore, Severity, and Majesty would hopefully be pretty impressive. Even if we can only use it to design Diagram Spells or improved Cultivation stages, Cultivation is built on top of all the magical paradigms that came before, and no Cultivator will ever have so directly benefited from the insights of actually using the magic themselves. Who knows what improvements to Cultivation methods, novel spells or insights into Truth we could develop if we get access to and combined those alternative perspectives on both Cultivation and the Diagram. For example, Lore at least seems to have fallen to the Diagram Schools and one of the Ascendant Signs created as a result. We can say what even a fleeting perspective of what Lore truly is could do to aid in developing spells of the Sign.
This would definitely be great if we could pull it off. I think it might need a Grand Essence, though, because you are merging essence, and that's going to take time to open up. However, if we pull it off then we obviously have rather a lot of potential represented in the result, likely enough to pretty much guarantee a victory.

(Maybe do something silly with Magnum Opuses to dump the spare elf souls? I don't know, but that would be a lot of collective power to give them. Bit risky.)
 
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Also, does that mean its wielder, Princess Antimony (named after a a metal, btw), is a plain looking Elf ?!?

She just needs to let her hair down and take her glasses off, if the narrative convention about such things has any weight.

Edit: one popular etymology for antimony is that it's derived from the greek for 'against aloneness'. Which would be interesting for the wielder of a magic based on severing.

This would definitely be great if we could pull it off. I think it might need a Grand Essence, though, because you are merging essence, and that's going to take time to open up. It might be doable, though, and if it is then we obviously have rather a lot of potential represented in the result.

Note I'm not proposing merging Essence at this point, only the mind, which I think Seeming or Knowledge could pull off. As you say we'd probably need Essence for being able to actually share magical effects directly, but I'm not suggesting that yet.
 
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Note I'm not proposing merging Essence at this point, only the mind, which I think Seeming or Knowledge could pull off.
Ah, that might be doable, though I wouldn't expect it to actually share Ring benefits. I could definitely see a Seeming Grand which does that, which can then be hybridized with an Essence Grand to actually share the benefits also, though. Maybe that would let us just transfer benefits, or make all of us count as Ringbearers for each others' Rings? That actually sounds like a reasonable (True, perhaps) Seeming... (Metaphysical Seeming as well)

Also:
If When this option wins, you will have a chance to choose then.
I'm pretty sure you don't want a "then" in this sentence? My guess would be either "If When this option wins, you will have a chance to choose" or "You will have a chance to choose if when this option wins", but I could be wrong here.
 
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The elves are not as good as they seem. Amouthanos broken her granddaughters heart. Truly what evil, to harm his own flesh and blood.
Hah, you are underestimating power of Infinity Matchmaking! Point is that she is now sad, so she will easily fall in love with Rubric Hero, both securing her long term happiness and his long term loyalty.

Perfectly balanced, as all marriages should be.
 
I wonder about the Ring of Severity. Mainly because it is apparently in the hands of the First Of The Praxis Council. Makes one suspicious. The boss of the guy who schooled us in the art of diplomacy...

Also, does that mean its wielder, Princess Antimony (named after a a metal, btw), is a plain looking Elf ?!?

All the Crown Princesses are named after metals. Antimony, Argentia, Aurelia, etc. What about Severity makes you think that Antimony would look plain? Amouthanos, who is as diminished an elf as can still remain sane, still has Legolas-tier looks, he just lacks the inner radiance of an undiminished elf.

The elves are not as good as they seem. Amouthanos broken her granddaughters heart. Truly what evil, to harm his own flesh and blood.

Or perhaps he was protecting his grand-daughter from the depraved clutches of a spoiled and vengeful isekai trash brat!
 
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