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Prospalz said:
Honestly, "Just get on with winning, you got all the tools required for that" is a pretty strong argument. Stage 15~ Cultivator with Azure Flare is enuuff dakka.
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We've literally no idea what the principles of Truth are either IC or OOC, and the Fates very likely do. One of the best ways for them to win is to maneuver Nameless into a situation in which he can kill the Heroine where he'd be unknowingly acting against those principles and bait him into doing it (quite probably through manipulating Vengeful), at which point the Truth destroys him. They'd probably get a good laugh out of that.

Skelm said:
Oh hey, I missed the bold bit and I think several other people did too. The princess can act as a Cultivation multiplier, and context suggests that Loyalty will get us more of that! Green Eyes is not the only option for people who want Cultivation multipliers!
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If she's telling the truth, I don't see hy having one more or less plus Loyalty would change how hard she'd try making sure her beloved husband/only hope for her species' survival lived.

The Green Eyes, my contrast, either exist or they don't.

Skelm said:
It cuts through literally everything, including on a spiritual level! How is that useless?
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The starting Heroine wouldn't have any defences to it in the first place. It also doesn't cut on a spiritual level. It merely cuts through anything material. No mention is made about penetrating spiritual or other esoteric defences.
 
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Alratan said:
The starting Heroine wouldn't have any defences to it in the first place. It also doesn't cut on a spiritual level. It merely cuts through anything material. No mention is made about penetrating spiritual or other esoteric defences.
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The original description calls it "soul-flame" that "sears away the essence of all ephemeral things". The True version could not fail to do those things, and now physical resilience is no defense.
Rihaku said:
[ ] Mordant Fire (Sigil) - Bolts of violet soul-flame sear away the essence of all ephemeral things. Launches up to twenty bolts per casting with mild homing properties. Burns life-force, attacks health and Cultivation base, objects deform and decay. Minor damage to Dao Cleaving Cultivators, semi-relevant to Soul Chrysalis, highly damaging to Organ Refining, lethal to Ego Barrier.

*Quantity of damage is completely irrelevant to targets of Reality Forming stage and above, but perhaps that can be improved...
*Directly attacking their Cultivation base causes most vulnerable Cultivators to fuck off
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Alratan said:
If she's telling the truth, I don't see hy having one more or less plus Loyalty would change how hard she'd try making sure her beloved husband/only hope for her species' survival lived.
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Higher loyalty makes it more likely that she will get the Lieutenant bonus, which could make her more capable of helping us.
 
George said:
That aside, however, we can yet wring more from the Diagram if we are able to find the Truth, as True Incarnation would provide a Truespell slot for the following, which Aurelia can help us research.
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Unfortunately, the "bonus to research" option only improves the probability of getting more Truth. "improves chance of learning a Truth Diagram during timeskip"
It's not a sure thing, while the Cultivation bonus is.

Duquette7 said:
The main point driving my vote is that True Incarnation's Fate defense is vastly superior to Fated Love resistance, and we don't need both.
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It's unlikely that True Incarnation defends from Grace, though. It doesn't sound like mental influence, only like a huge personal buff that doesn't count as magic. Also, Truth can't necessarily defend from being convinced. Many people know that it is true that smoking is bad for their health, yet they still do it.

Duquette7 said:
Anyone else notice how The Green of Jealousy transitions into the White of the Winter Fate?

This does not bode well.
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It's not winter white. On the light background, it's black.

Skelm said:
Oh hey, I missed the bold bit and I think several other people did too. The princess can act as a Cultivation multiplier, and context suggests that Loyalty will get us more of that! Green Eyes is not the only option for people who want Cultivation multipliers!
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Two multipliers are definitely better than one.
 
Rask said:
Two multipliers are definitely better than one.
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Alas, we cannot pick both bonuses.

Also, it looks like we've reached a tie on Oath/No Oath.
Adhoc vote count started by Skelm on May 1, 2018 at 8:37 AM, finished with 209 posts and 42 votes.
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[X] Stay the Course
[X] +Bonus to Truth Diagram Progression (improves chance of learning a Truth Diagram during timeskip)

True incarnate pls
 
Rask said:
Sure we can. The Princess is good for Cultivation by default, as in her description. Xiaoling is the one we need to manually pick.
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The Cultivation boost is explicitly a reason to vote for the Loyalty bonus, possibly because of the increased chance of her becoming our Lieutenant.
Rihaku said:
Psst, don't tell them how powerful Lovey Dovey is, if they realize Aurelia can boost almost any non-combat action, including Cultivation, they might actually vote for it and remove my ability to unilaterally dictate her nickname!
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[X] Do It For Her
[X] Lovey-Dovey

Personally, I like the resistance buff but I also like the fact that this develops our character. Having such a close relationship with another person feels like a nice direction to take - Suizhen has felt like our closest companion so far and she fulfills the role of leal vassal in interaction more than anything else and I havent really seen a whole bunch of Xiaoling. I kinda want to see Nameless commit himself to more than just the pursuit of power.
 
Green Eyes does not increase Loyalty.
Xiaoling's Loyalty is not very high, was at three before we visited the Elves, but I don't think that has ticked over yet, and we have seen a lot of event sense then that would effect her state of trust in us.

And now she is getting powered by Envy, I don't think we can depend on that going well for us, especially against the Fate who is social specked.

I think there is a very real threat of her being turned, and choosing this way to empower her further, emphasizing her new state of animus with us, locks her into drawing power from her negative emotions regarding our choices.

We can still salvage our relationship with her, but once you start down the dark path, consume you it will!
 
[X] Stay the Course
[X] Green Eyes

Actually I'm falling in the trap of what is mechanically good over what I want.

Xiaoling needs more attention, also our poor waifus.
 
[X] Do It For Her
[X] Lovey-Dovey

Yeah I'd rather not be the heroines bitch or cheat and reduce the loyalty of the woman who is our major link to the Elves, whose fate we are bound to.
 
Skelm said:
Why would we need to reach the Great Circle of Immortal Awakening to learn Techniques?
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Because that's how shit worked so far. You need to get past Ego Barrier to create complete Ego Barrier, you need to get past Dao Cleaving to get Dao.

Also, people, so far winning option is idiotic Green Eyes/Stay The Course combination which doesn't pick us ability to defend from Fated Love, single truly relevant vector of attack Heroine has left. 20-30% is utterly irrelevant - not having immunity to Fated Love is perhaps the single way we can lose.
 
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