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Golgotha said:
Azure flare is nice, but True Incarnation I feel is a much stronger pick overall.
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Azure Flare allows us to one-shoot Heroine by completely ignoring her Fate. As long as we Act as Truth, we should be capable of tanking the drain well enough.

Especially, +Bonus and DIFH might allow us to get both Truth Diagrams, between bonus from option and bonus provided by Aurelia.
Skelm said:
If a gain in Loyalty gives fewer benefits, that means you should be less willing to take it. We get less out of Loyalty if we don't swear the Oath, so it makes no sense to say we need it only if we're not swearing the Oath.
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I'm actually not sure what point you are trying to make, here.
 
Wolfy said:
As long as we Act as Truth, we should be capable of tanking the drain well enough.
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What are you basing this on? Acting as Truth is "exponentially" more draining than flaring and flaring is in turn "exponentially." more draining than speaking truth. Even speaking truth is draining enough that "Anything but the lightest of use will reverse Cultivation progress".

With such a description we can't really conclude that acting as truth is something we can tank without crippling ourselves. Even flaring could very well be very difficult to recover from.
 
[X] Do It For Her
[X] Lovey-Dovey

While Going Green has a lot going for it, be it special eyes aesthetics or the potential of Extrusion-Immortal interactions that it claims at a modestly faster pace, on reflection I think it's both unfeeling and optimizes for yesterday's problem. With this combination instead, we can navigate more truly to what the Unloved Child needs for a long and happy life. By entering into this marriage with his whole heart and using his magic to grant it equity, our Nameless Sir can truly embrace a partnership greater than the sum of its parts. Where Fate would make him love an Enemy, Aurelia can stand in its way. Where there is an Empire to rule or a Heavenly Tribulation to research, she can offer unparalleled talent at all relevant endeavors. When the Unloved Child binges on the efforts of a billion citizens instead of following through on the final steps to defeat Zang Kong, Aurelia can turn him back to his task. And when the Divinities, Zang Kong, and should all the world conspire to strike her down for all she does, Nameless can wield his strength to preserve them. Without question, they are Grace and Might wed and through such a union we can do our mentors, parents, and lieutenants proud.
 
[X] Do It For Her
[X] Green Eyes

I want fated love resistence, and I want combined IA+Titanhood asap, even if it is achivable without green eyes.

BP and MP are seductive, but at least BP we can get via old fashioned grinding.
 
George said:
Alright, given those priorities I really think you should lock in the +1 Loyalty. What good is ensuring her Loyalty doesn't go below what it is when we're married if it's low? You say it's 'just one point' but I think you should look at the scale again. We have the following description of 4 Loyalty and we know that killing Xiaoling's Mother alongside every other Elf would have only reduced her Loyalty by 3. Further, we know a half stage boost is a priceless treasure to a cultivator and a quarter Stage boost to the ambitious Xiaoling gave +2 Loyalty when she was at a low amount of Loyalty. Altogether, while our knowledge of the scale is limited, I think a single point makes a considerable difference in what a character is willing to do or overlook and locking such in as a permanent minimum would have a huge effect on the power balance in our relationship.
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The single point of Loyalty would be nice to have. Unfortunately, it competes with something we need: Cultivation speed.

Green eyes provides, in order of importance:
+ Moderate Nameless Cultivation speed boost
+ Moderate Suizhen Cultivation speed boost
+ Dramatic Xiaoling Cultivation speed boost
+ Moderate Cultivation speed boost to any future party members who Cultivate
 
To pierce heaven will probably allow us to optimize our Extrusion.

Think what an EFB True spelled, artifact enhanced, ring doubled, Optimized Extrusion can do! It should also decrease the chances of it damaging our cultivation base.
 
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DkArthas said:
To pierce heaven will probably allow us to optimize our Extrusion.

Think what an EFB True spelled, artifact enhanced, ring doubled, Optimized Extrusion can do! It should also decrease the chances of it damaging our cultivation base.
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I'll have to see what it does now before I'm even considering becoming receptive to arguments for EFBing it. (EFB Lunar Sarcophagus, get!)
 
When we are going Heroine-killing, I'd honestly prefer something that wouldn't drop us way down in terms of cultivation if we fail due to some stupid bullshit.

Granted, chances of that are pretty low, but paranoia remains. Probably foolish of me.
 
Mhm. Pierce Heaven will also make Suizhen a Titan, that means utility. Maybe it can even help us in killing the Heroine?
Adhoc vote count started by DkArthas on May 1, 2018 at 6:29 AM, finished with 141 posts and 30 votes.
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To be honest, I feel terrible for Xiaoling. She's almost been made obsolete by the Aurelia, despite how much effort we've invested in her. At least Suizhen guarded us during our ascent to power and gave us access to the Truth.

[X] Do It For Her
[X] Lovey-Dovey

This way, we can get Azure Flare, dunk the Heroine, Wish for the Fates to empower us and then spend the BP gained from Vengeance on going EFB with the Extrusion and whatever else.

From there, negotiating with Zang Kong becomes easier since we've already killed the Heroine, have a decent chance of being stronger than him and have Aurelia at Lieutenant level, despite being unable to bind us together with an Oath.
 
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[X] Do It For Her
[X] Lovey-Dovey

Fated Love resistance guys! Plus ensuring the super charismatic Undiminished Elf is on our side since we'll magically know if she's just faking loyalty.

DITF and L-D have great synergy and boosts our new wife even more plus she can help alleviate our Spoiled and Vengeance traits to prevent them acting up.

Also the fact that it allows Nameless to reciprocate her own unconditional love even a tiny fraction is nice.

Plus last but not least, why choose the path that Fate rewards us for? Stay the Course's +1 BP shows that it's Fate's insidious attempt to ensure our loss by tempting us away from a path to stopping the heroine abusing the Fated love.

Do you seriously think Rihaku won't also put something equally tempting next time we get have a chance at Fated Love resistance/immunity? I wouldn't be surprised if the True Incarnation upgrade that people keep shilling as a reason to ignore the oath will suddenly find itself with an equally powerful competing upgrade that may tempt people away from it showing up.

Get the Fated Love resistance now don't procrastinate and rely on "Oh we'll vote to get a way to do that even better later" that NEVER works in quests since no one can know how the votes will go in the future and any promises are worthless.
 
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DkArthas said:
[X] Stay the course
[X] To Pierce Heaven

Back to my first vote. I was blinded by the pure elves waifu but no more!

No mere pretty face can change the course a True Dark Lord has decided upon.

Stay the course is also staying truer to our All paths. It should not be abandoned for a foolish elf.

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Stay the course is Fate's pathetically transparent attempt to make us LOSE, don't be blinded by the enticement of BP or being "truer" to All Paths

Do you want to win or do you want to wind up as the Heroine's slavishly devoted dog after she bullrushes us before True Incarnation can be gotten?
 
If you are worried about The Heroine, take true incarnation, it provides far greater protection! We also have baelixinaire's vengeance.
 
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[X] Do It For Her
[X] Lovey-Dovey

Well, if Nameless is gonna get hitched, he may as well do it properly. Make himself that much worth the 'Sir' Aurelia loves to add. Cultivation aside, we honestly can't deny how useful the ability to deny Heroic passions could be. Specially now that we've more or less Burned Time.

Also, idle thoughts on Extrusion's stuff.

Idle Thought 1) wouldn't be possible since we're apparently creating an entirely separate cosmos then impossibly folding it more than GRORIUS NIPPON ISATEEL could be but just think. What if that folded cosmos was our original reality. Needlessly dark, but Nameless realising this...heeeh. Don't Stay The Knife; No Matter The Cost.

Idle Thought 2) would be even more needlessly dark but imagine if to make the Extrusion grow faster, we needed to sacrifice things to it. I can imagine Suizhen lining up at the front and saying that Nameless better turn her into an actual sword that could split the Endless Sky by way of Extrusion Absorption. Fuck, Grandpa willingly stabbing the thing to his heart for that pre-final battle boost? Jesus, that'd be some bullshit way to acquire more power.
 
Don't vote to toss away yet another chance at protection from Fated Love guys.

DkArthas said:
If you are worried about The Heroine, take true incarnation, it provides far greater protection! We also have baelixinaire's vengeance.

The elf may be no better than the heroine.
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What part of "Why do you even THINK Rihaku won't put up something else just as powerful or tempting when True Incarnation is on the table or next chance at Fated Love protection" is hard to understand?

I don't care about True Incarnation because it's not an option now, you're recklessly voting to toss away another chance to protecting our mind while pinning all your hopes on being able to grab TI before the Heroine comes for us.

The fact that you can't even see the transparent attempt by Fate at getting us to screw ourselves over again after already making ourselves super vulnerable is leaving me baffled.
 
It really is ironic that gaining Vault through True Alchemist was what eventually resulted in it not becoming a Monster Vault.
 
1986ctcel said:
Stay the course is Fate's pathetically transparent attempt to make us LOSE, don't be blinded by the enticement of BP or being "truer" to All Paths

Do you want to win or do you want to wind up as the Heroine's slavishly devoted dog after she bullrushes us before True Incarnation can be gotten?
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You seem to operating under the assumption that making the Vow is the only possible source of protection we could have against Fated Love. This seems rather odd when we've already seen another perfect defense against it and one of the bonus options helps us to develop it. Choosing to run into the arms of a magically enforced love to escape a magically enforced love also seems rather odd.
 
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