Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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- United States
Thats dumb, this is a game where everyone joined expecting to die over and over again.
Swordland (SAO-inspired, but it makes more sense)
- Thread starter Birdsie
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DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
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- USA
Which assumptions exactly?
Hmmm, if only I had some reason to believe that the respawn mechanic doesn't have those backdraws.
Clearly, I have no reason to believe it at all. It's just one MASSIVE assumption. Such a shame.
Rossum
Not a Cyberman
- Location
- Earth
As for ideas on how to play it, some ideas:
1). Before we entered the game, we maybe installed a client-side cheating app on our nervegear. Maybe designed for other games on the system like a team-based FPS. We enabled the "death cheater" option that helps remove death from our kill/death ratio. This cheat may or may not bypass dying in SAO, but it is client side so Kayabe can't even know we have it until after it activates if we die. And probably can't be removed unless our nervegear restarts (freeing or killing us) or Kayabe totally reworks the code for determining deaths. So we can play as normal until our first death, at which point Kayabe can get alerted.
2. Play as normal. Depending on how the classes work, something like a paladin (heavy armor, sword, healing magic) or a summoner (summon minions to keep out of danger). In a game like this, healers would be appreciated and make us valuable.
Alternately, something like a Warlock class with a focus on fireballs or necromancy or something.
3. If we want to be more entrepreneurial, we could buy a shop or something and staff it with NPCs. Taking a page from Skyrim's crafting, you can cheese the system to make absurdly powerful weapons.
Potions of improve enchantment
Enchant items of improve alchemy.
Repeat first two steps.
Enchant items of improve smiting, and get potions that boost the same. Now you can hammer out absurdly powerful weapons.
Share copies of the stat boosting items with fellow crafters for a share of the profits and sell or donate ultra strong equipment to the front lines.
With the OP weapons spread out, Kayabe would have to patch the weapon code to just turn them to normal weapons. We meanwhile made lots of money to reinvest in more shops or whatever.
4. Perhaps the economics of the shop owning system is just naturally wonky, allowing us to make loads of money or gather items/ingredients semi legit. This gives us resources to help others, enact plans, and better hide when we are legit exploiting glitches.
5. Obviously, there'd be a balancing act between leveling ourselves, running a business, finding glitches, and plotting to take out Kayabe.
Maybe Kayabe frowns more on exploiting the respawn or using combat glitches than he cares about economics or the shop system, making it easier to outfit players in the best gear or even hire NPC characters to aid in fights.
Rossum
Not a Cyberman
- Location
- Earth
Yeah, you're right. Was mostly just tossing out ideas.
I am curious what the actual class options would be, though.
- Location
- Boston
The name of the trait is based on her modus operandi, not her level of competence. She's not actually anywhere near Xanatos-level when it comes to skill or experience, but she operates using Xanatos gambits, hence the name. Her plans fail pretty often, but she keeps that in mind when designing them, so the worst-case is usually little more than wasted time and resources. Very hard to corner, strategically speaking.
As for how she got her trait, a combination of natural talent and lots of practice running a corporation in Eve.
Honestly, the name doesn't really matter much to me, on its own. I picked it because I was lazy and because it was the name of Unhacker's plan before he changed his vote. I don't think it'll affect the quest much at all, seeing as we'll be using our username the entire time.
I don't really see anything inherently jerk-esqe or evil about my trait. Self-prioritizing, obviously, but not necessarily at the expense of other players. I had pragmaticism in mind more than anything else when I came up with it. That being said, it's pretty versatile, so we could play anything from "bond villain but with common sense" to "tactical Argo" to "playing chess against Kayaba". Personally, I wanted to play as a leader-figure who helps coordinate and manage other players, especially with regards to the economy and politics. Kind of like an RTS game, all the while staying out of harm's way herself.
- Location
- The Void
Fair enough. But a summor like class would be perfect for us with how I doubt we'd have friends that would make for a good party.
Chronobreak
Chara Appreciator
- Location
- Chicago
- Pronouns
- He/Him
@Unilateral
Ugh, I can't stay testy when your acting so level headed!
As long as her plans fail most of the time, and she's flawed, she's fine. But that's not what the GM, or your voters, seem to think!
I like cowards who stay safe in town while the precious meatheads go kill things! I would like playing someone who isn't a fight monger. But the trait still prioritizes scheming in an environment that needs good ol' Japanese uniformity. Xanatos Gambit's...hm, they don't seem all that applicable, but actually, that might be a point in your favor. She likes EVE online, and is playing SAO for novelty value, so of course she has a trait that doesn't mesh completely together with the setting, and isn't as wholly useful. Genius!
We can become a shady and much hated merchant like Agil, and make LC namedrop is in their assassination promotionals. Or like Log Horizon's economy.
Just a difference of what we want out of the quest, since that style wouldn't really satisfy me (business that is, I have enough of that at school). Sorry for being so abrasive, I'm just vehemently defend my vote out of possessiveness.
Ugh, I can't stay testy when your acting so level headed!
As long as her plans fail most of the time, and she's flawed, she's fine. But that's not what the GM, or your voters, seem to think!
I like cowards who stay safe in town while the precious meatheads go kill things! I would like playing someone who isn't a fight monger. But the trait still prioritizes scheming in an environment that needs good ol' Japanese uniformity. Xanatos Gambit's...hm, they don't seem all that applicable, but actually, that might be a point in your favor. She likes EVE online, and is playing SAO for novelty value, so of course she has a trait that doesn't mesh completely together with the setting, and isn't as wholly useful. Genius!
We can become a shady and much hated merchant like Agil, and make LC namedrop is in their assassination promotionals. Or like Log Horizon's economy.
Just a difference of what we want out of the quest, since that style wouldn't really satisfy me (business that is, I have enough of that at school). Sorry for being so abrasive, I'm just vehemently defend my vote out of possessiveness.
DevilsAdvocate
Always follow the golden rule.
When are the votes going to close?
DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
- Location
- USA
I think about any minute now.
Edit: And according to tally, True Magic is going to win. Because people want to play with no major drawback. Cuz again, True Magic gets no major drawback because fucking infinite respawns is too god damned broken.
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Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
The quote says that [people who know someone else won't truly die would ask them to perform suicide missions]. Which is obvious.
You assume that this:
1. necessarily implies that we would take them which
2. necessarily implies that Kiyaba would not at some point ramp up our pain sensors?
1 might happen if their offer outweighs the cost, but is in no way explicitly occurring per your quote. If the pain sensors weren't ramped up at the beginning - which is extremely likely, considering a) those who die are intended to actually die & b) potential impacts on the NPC's if pain exists as a feedback loop -, we might be willing to accept death.
As for 2, after becoming frustrated with our impact upon his game Kiyaba might then ramp up the pain sensors. He is a sadist & we're marring his greatest creation.
Please argue more carefully or take a break. Your vote is ahead, rest on your laurels.
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Chronobreak
Chara Appreciator
- Location
- Chicago
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Hey DarkKing, let's vote for Mag Bastard. Because at least with them, we could try to kill the character!
I joke, but not really. Knowing that we can kill the protagonist when we want instead of them sticking around like a tumor is comforting to me.
His vote is losing. He's voting for me, and Sunshine. So I feel really bad about this, but strategic voting.
[X] Plan Magnificent Bastard
DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
- Location
- USA
...the fuck did you get this from? Sunshine at most has like, 13 votes. True Magic has 15 at least.
Rossum
Not a Cyberman
- Location
- Earth
You know, it's actually funny. Since having infinite repawns is basically what the MMO thing was designed to do from the very beginning. We'd basically be the only player in SAO history to actually be able to play the game as it was intended. Or at least marketed as.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
Oh damn, embarrassing. I'm voting for Sunshine, too, but I'm not willing to vote for Magnificent Bastard.
Thought you were arguing for True Magic; the rest of it still stands.
DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
- Location
- USA
On one hand, I just want to leave this quest period. It's not really worth sticking around if a plan I despise so much wins. On the other hand, Mag at least has several ways of playing around with. It's no "I Draw Forth... Pot of Greed!" after all, so we don't need to be an actual bastard manipulator.
Edit: Fuck it. Strategic voting it is. Hopefully we don't have to go the route of plan upon plan upon plan upon plan upon plan and can just play as a very clever and great strategist.
[X] Plan Magnificent Bastard
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DevilsAdvocate
Always follow the golden rule.
Really? Why does everyone hate the idea of glitches so much??
DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
- Location
- USA
It's not glitches everyone hates. It's the immortality to everyone and thing except for one being. Aka, it's the infinite respawns.
- Location
- California
Considering that vote is winning, it's disingenuous to say everyone hates it. It's mainly just an extremely vocal minority of primarily you.
DevilsAdvocate
Always follow the golden rule.
We do NOT have infinite respawns.
We have a few respawn until the patch to remove the glitch comes along.
The second we abuse the glitches, the world will notice and the glitch will vanishe and we will probably have debuffs applied in the form of "your Hit box cannot grow to be more than ten. Ever." Or something ridiculous like "You you can no longer gain XP"
The idea that, because the game hates us and we only live because God likes to play with his food, is going to NOT overwhelm the advantage of "Do not die, once" especially as after that first time God can go "he got a glitch so he respawns on 1 hitpoint? Ok, not he dies when he reaches 10 hitpoints instead" without us knowing??
DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
- Location
- USA
You say this, when the person I responded to asked and I quote,
so stop accusing me of being disingenuous when the everyone remark is clearly referring to those against True Magic.
No, pretty sure the patch is getting rid of the ability to reenable the respawning mechanic. Since that's explicitly what the option says. It IS infinite respawns UNLESS we are killed by god.
See? Enable the Respawn mechanic for ourselves. As in, giving us infinite respawns.
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DevilsAdvocate
Always follow the golden rule.
Once, it lets us make the mechanic once.
Considering that a certain some ONE was able to remove the mechanic, why can he not do it again??
But I apologize for implying that everyone hates it.
DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
- Location
- USA
I believe that's because it's enabled for us, and to do so he'd have to get right to our character's code in the thousands of thousands of millions of lines of code that's in SAO. Besides, it never says anything about respawning once. Only that we can enable the mechanic once.
Another reason would be that he believes we'd just find a way to access it again, so why bother doing so when he can just give himself a weapon that perma-kills anything by removing that being/object's code from the game.
But that last one is leaning more on speculation.