It would be a very long crack that could lead down there, but you don't actually know how long the crack goes on for.

Nima being able to sense things from it might or might not matter? Depends on how strong you think whatever's on the other side is. Would the Sith Temple be active enough to be felt through an entire mountain, even with a crack? But to be fair, Palpy thought the Temple was doing something at that distance.

Or it could be a tiny weak holocron a few feet down. :p
From what I remember from New Jedi Order, the Force Nexus the Jedi Temple is built over is enclosed in some sort of stone covering that blocks the power inside from being detected. The plot of one of the two-parters in the series was about a dark force adept trying to break into it shortly after the Yuuzhan Vong conquer coruscant. that would explain why the crack is the only place the Nexus can be felt.
 
[X] Say that he's free to go, but that he needs to swear not to sneak out again. It's not safe for him, and if he gets in trouble it'll hurt his career, when he's only a year or two from leaving the Temple all the time as a Padawan.

 
I'd say the big Force presence is probably down to the Room of a Thousand Fountains, an underground cavern-garden with streams and pools across many tiers which is a spiritual place of reverence for the Jedi... but I'd be rather surprised if Nima'd never been there before since it's frequented by many in the Temple as a place of tranquility and meditation.

Could be a certain Neti Jedi has taken root there, I guess. :V
 
I still think we should encourage Nima to be more independent and strike up a friendship with Jayne, which is why I'm sticking with my vote.

Not sure if I should keep arguing for it, because considering the "Have Jayne beg for mercy" vote is still in the running understand why people aren't considering it because boy torpedoing our relationship with Jayne and probably even Wessen because she's his classmate for questionable reasoning doesn't exactly sound great.

I'll consider switching, just please people voting to ruin Jayne... why? Why in the harshest way short of telling on him?

Why?
 
[X] Ask Jeyne to look into other possible security breaches with you and your friends. Perhaps you can find more important vulnerabilities. Even join him on his trips outside the Temple sometimes. It would give you experience on the street, which will be useful if and when you become a Jedi. Besides which, isn't the Living Force about connections with life?

*shrugs* Personally I'm ALL About dat crack and just what could cause/do that big force nexus thing. I...Hrrm.
So I don't know Star Wars cannon about Force but...I kind of thought of it as a sort of empathy-web type of dealie?
Dark side is about going full Avenger-becoming so hated, so reviled, so Divisive a figure that no matter what or who deals with you, they have a strong emotional reaction that then opens them up for being read like a book or jedi-mind judo'd or something.
Like Greivious might not have been a Sith proper, but with teh whole hunting Jedi/carrying their lightsabers and wielding them, on a level disrepecting their memory perhaps, he maybe does a bit of that to Jedi unintentionally. Palpatine well. You screw over the galaxies and all that hate your way is probably where he gets his lighting batteries from...
And on the flipside, light side force. About having empathy, caring and supporting one another, general 'treat others the way you'd like to be treated' type of stuff.
Now, I'm vaguely aware of how Obi-Won and Yoda got to have force-ghosts floating around for awhile, and while they could do that as Masters...
Something like the crack sounds weird, because it sounds like the Force just went 'Hey I'mma gather like 10% of my power right here in this spot and see what happens, YOLO!' without any sentient involvement which...Either way that should not work...Should it?
 
Something like the crack sounds weird, because it sounds like the Force just went 'Hey I'mma gather like 10% of my power right here in this spot and see what happens, YOLO!' without any sentient involvement which...Either way that should not work...Should it?
Well, we don't know what it is. It might be a Holocron, which partly fits. It might be the force nexus in the temple, this is the article on it because the explanation is long and confusing.

Or it could be the giant Sith Temple underneath the Jedi Temple.
 
Something like the crack sounds weird, because it sounds like the Force just went 'Hey I'mma gather like 10% of my power right here in this spot and see what happens, YOLO!' without any sentient involvement which...Either way that should not work...Should it?

I think a reasonable reading suggests the crack opened on somewhere, and the force presence is there, which raises the options.

Force impressinos tend to be based on empathic things, like emotions, but this can linger for a long time. Yoda had a darkside tree that wasn't really explained, but the usual explanation for darkside impressions is something awful happening there, and presumably lightside ones would be similar. So that basically assumes sentient involvement on some level. Temples get it from worshippers and force users, shrines get it from the same, holocrons seem to just have a signature that's probably related to their creator, and the Rakata, in the very ancient past, had weird boxes they could put someone's mind in and then leave them there as a punishment. There's a variety of ways to have a sentient mind leave an impression, basically, and anything strongly emotional would work.

If you want to look into it, the question here is what kind of thing creates the impression Nima felt? A distant, tired kind of emotional sense, but with a lot of power? It might merely be very old, because the force is all things and presumably impressions can fade in detail without losing their power, sometimes, or it might be an interesting emotional one from a powerful source, or a lot of sources built up over time. Or something like that. I think there's a lot of rampant speculation you could do, if you wanted.
 


Vote count! Votes are close.
Adhoc vote count started by ImmortalsBlade on Apr 8, 2018 at 11:01 PM, finished with 1209 posts and 32 votes.

  • [X] Say that he's free to go, but that he needs to swear not to sneak out again. It's not safe for him, and if he gets in trouble it'll hurt his career, when he's only a year or two from leaving the Temple all the time as a Padawan.
    [x] Ask Jayne to tell the authorities about him. To confess and throw himself on their mercy.
    [X] Ask Jeyne to look into other possible security breaches with you and your friends. Perhaps you can find more important vulnerabilities. Even join him on his trips outside the Temple sometimes. It would give you experience on the street, which will be useful if and when you become a Jedi. Besides which, isn't the Living Force about connections with life?
    [X] Say that he's free to go, no strings attached. He can do as he wishes, though she'd ask him to consider, again, the risks inherent in what he was doing.
    [X] Ask Jayne if he can just happen to mention that he found an air duct down there, and then hope they fixed the problem.
    [X] lEAVE FRAG MINES IN THE DUCT TO SET AN EXAMPLE.
    [X] Ask Jeyne to look into other possible security breaches with you and your friends. Perhaps you can find more important vulnerabilities and report them to Yoda. Maybe you should even join him on his trips outside the Temple. It would give you experience on the street, which will be useful if and when you become a Jedi. Besides which, isn't the Living Force about connections with life?
 
[X] Ask Jeyne to look into other possible security breaches with you and your friends. Perhaps you can find more important vulnerabilities. Even join him on his trips outside the Temple sometimes. It would give you experience on the street, which will be useful if and when you become a Jedi. Besides which, isn't the Living Force about connections with life?

Changing vote.
 
[] Ask Jeyne to look into other possible security breaches with you and your friends. Perhaps you can find more important vulnerabilities. Even join him on his trips outside the Temple sometimes. It would give you experience on the street, which will be useful if and when you become a Jedi. Besides which, isn't the Living Force about connections with life?

I like this - but we're not the only initiate to consider. How likely are we to convince Wessen?
 
I think a reasonable reading suggests the crack opened on somewhere, and the force presence is there, which raises the options.

Force impressinos tend to be based on empathic things, like emotions, but this can linger for a long time. Yoda had a darkside tree that wasn't really explained, but the usual explanation for darkside impressions is something awful happening there, and presumably lightside ones would be similar. So that basically assumes sentient involvement on some level. Temples get it from worshippers and force users, shrines get it from the same, holocrons seem to just have a signature that's probably related to their creator, and the Rakata, in the very ancient past, had weird boxes they could put someone's mind in and then leave them there as a punishment. There's a variety of ways to have a sentient mind leave an impression, basically, and anything strongly emotional would work.

If you want to look into it, the question here is what kind of thing creates the impression Nima felt? A distant, tired kind of emotional sense, but with a lot of power? It might merely be very old, because the force is all things and presumably impressions can fade in detail without losing their power, sometimes, or it might be an interesting emotional one from a powerful source, or a lot of sources built up over time. Or something like that. I think there's a lot of rampant speculation you could do, if you wanted.

Apparently according to Legends, the impression left on the cave on Dagobah was created by the death of a powerful Dark Jedi that Yoda helped defeat, hence why he knew where the place was.
 
I like this - but we're not the only initiate to consider. How likely are we to convince Wessen?
Wessen was very excited to go on the adventure and sneaking around, seems her and Jayne while not friends are very similar. Remember we just found out her specialty is force cloaking which implies she was training for this kind of stuff.

So she might be way more into it than Nima even is.
 
Hey uh, why are we voting to be a massive and unfeeling asshole to Jayne and probably the workers? Because that option doesn't mention that he should hide the credits which even by that doesn't mean that the masters won't find out and fire everyone who helped him.

Seriously, the fuck guys?
Most likely? Because we already decided to burn down someone else's life over refusing to seclude themselves from the rest of civilization - and our internal justification then was that it posed a threat to the Temples' security.

This is a much larger security hazard; if we're not just going to admit that we were acting largely out of spite the last time, we have to make sure Jayne's crimes are punished and the secret exit gets welded shut.

Them's the breaks when a critfail at the wrong time establishes precedent for the main character's behavior.
 
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Them's the breaks when a critfail at the wrong time establishes precedent for the main character's behavior.

Nima hesitated. The problem was: if this was Hannah, she knew what she'd do. What he had done was about equal: a moderate violation of the security of the Temple, and a major violation of the rules. And yet, now she was contemplating mercy. Was it bias? Or was it just her correcting from her previous mistakes.

Jayne wasn't a bad kid. If they made him promise never to sneak out again, he'd keep his word for at least a while. Maybe not forever, but even when he broke it'd be something he'd tell them. But at the same time… it was a vulnerability, and what about the crack?

Nima didn't know what to do, and whatever it did would hurt or risk somebody.

As always, the votes are all in character. Nima is genuinely unsure, which is why there's a vote on it. You can make a lot of arguments, but in characterness doesn't quite work, because what you're picking here is what's in character for Nima.

Does she, having notice that mistakes were made, double down on the pattern? Does she try to take what she did for the wrong reason, in terms of making sure the temple was safe, and build it into a moral system that's more consistent and less petty? Or does she feel guilty, and overlook it this time out of that?

They'll all be valid.

Edit: And don't quote me on this, because I'm very tired, but the write in looks to be plausible and I think I could figure out what it means for Nima's character, as well. It's further from the rest of the votes in terms of where it takes her, but that can be interesting.
 
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[X] Ask Jeyne to look into other possible security breaches with you and your friends. Perhaps you can find more important vulnerabilities. Even join him on his trips outside the Temple sometimes. It would give you experience on the street, which will be useful if and when you become a Jedi. Besides which, isn't the Living Force about connections with life?

Changing vote, since this wasn't as far behind as I thought it was.
 
Most likely? Because we already decided to burn down someone else's life over refusing to seclude themselves from the rest of civilization - and our internal justification then was that it posed a threat to the Temples' security.

This is a much larger security hazard; if we're not just going to admit that we were acting largely out of spite the last time, we have to make sure Jayne's crimes are punished and the secret exist welded shut.

Them's the breaks when a critfail at the wrong time establishes precedent for the main character's behavior.
Well, we can vote against it to go against it hard then.

Let's go in completely the opposite direction and hang out with Jayne! We can be constructive about this, and keep an eye out on security breaches. Plus hey, decent excuse to not get punished if someone other then Anakin or Ahsoka finds out. Yoda might even cover for us if we say we were just mapping out every possible vulnerability in the temple, though obviously, we shouldn't just go to him about it except through Ahsoka or Anakin.
 
Wessen was very excited to go on the adventure and sneaking around, seems her and Jayne while not friends are very similar. Remember we just found out her specialty is force cloaking which implies she was training for this kind of stuff.

So she might be way more into it than Nima even is.

Well then, I'm convinced

[X] Ask Jeyne to look into other possible security breaches with you and your friends. Perhaps you can find more important vulnerabilities. Even join him on his trips outside the Temple sometimes. It would give you experience on the street, which will be useful if and when you become a Jedi. Besides which, isn't the Living Force about connections with life?

This is where the interesting stories sleep
 
[X] Go with him to talk to Yoda. He can confess and you can tell yoda your doubts.
[X]-ask Jeyne to look into other possible security breaches with you and your friends.
 
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[X] Ask Jeyne to look into other possible security breaches with you and your friends. Perhaps you can find more important vulnerabilities. Even join him on his trips outside the Temple sometimes. It would give you experience on the street, which will be useful if and when you become a Jedi. Besides which, isn't the Living Force about connections with life?
 
[] Go with him to talk to Yoda. He can confess and you can tell yoda your doubts.

Hey, I think going to Yoda directly might be a bad idea because Yoda would need to put a stop to it as part of the Jedi council, even if he'd probably personally be more okay with initiates being with the people more. If we want to hang out outside the only two I can think of who'd okay it is Anakin and Ahsoka. That's why the base vote is very open-ended on it. Ahsoka would probably be the best both meta-wise and IC-wise since we probably know she's teacher's pet to Yoda even if she's just as independent as Anakin.

But yeah, both her and Anakin are probably the ones who'd cover for us and encourage it. Yoda is sadly hamstrung by being part of the council.
 
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[X] Ask Jeyne to look into other possible security breaches with you and your friends. Perhaps you can find more important vulnerabilities. Even join him on his trips outside the Temple sometimes. It would give you experience on the street, which will be useful if and when you become a Jedi. Besides which, isn't the Living Force about connections with life?

Changing my vote.
 
[X] Ask Jeyne to look into other possible security breaches with you and your friends. Perhaps you can find more important vulnerabilities. Even join him on his trips outside the Temple sometimes. It would give you experience on the street, which will be useful if and when you become a Jedi. Besides which, isn't the Living Force about connections with life?
 
I'm a little bit skeptical of the write-in? I mean, as the first reaction? Hrm.

It seems like something that would be built to, rather than immediately decided?

It seems like there's a lot, like, contingencying on it? It's not one reaction, it's a chain of reactions, some of them drifting far off the central point?
 
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