It's true, Xylit (isn't that an artificial sweetener?) doesn't seem to have what we want. Though his flying tower would be great loot...
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It's true, Xylit (isn't that an artificial sweetener?) doesn't seem to have what we want. Though his flying tower would be great loot...
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[X] Consume Personally
Origami Clock
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I can't deny that I do enjoy the flavour of Diagram more than Cultivation. Using Angbad's Supernal Hamslicer to win a fight appeals to me more than punchgud, even if it is mechanically inferior. Hopefully the higher Cultivation levels where we snack people around with our internalised universe will be more interesting.
Summoned and reincarnated into an infant. Would have been interesting. I suspect it's possible that we'd have been incarnated as a pure elf.
It was a pretty strong lesson not to try anything similar again. We don't have the time to take risks of ending up with crap. I think that may be our last attempt to scam or go after treasures for a while, they're both pretty discredited options now.
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DarkKing98
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You ARE aware that Cultivation isn't just punching things good, right?
Or are you just being a disingenuous bastard who's salty that your Diagram shiny is being devalued?
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I'm OK with either of these, I'm not OK with constantly bleeding ourselves of gains so we can "All be buds on the same level" they're lackeys', not equals.
I think this is the best pick, assaulting could work also but we should definitely consume in that case.
As for Xylitemmerral, while it seems very likely he's going out in a blaze of glory because we forged the doom of his age so we can't rely on him to disengage if things get to bad. I think the likely rewards from that avenue are less likely to materialize. Go for the lich (somewhat) in hand as it were.
With Xyl eliminated I've come to lean towards assault actually.
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I'm OK with either of these, I'm not OK with constantly bleeding ourselves of gains so we can "All be buds on the same level" they're lackeys', not equals.
I think this is the best pick, assaulting could work also but we should definitely consume in that case.
As for Xylitemmerral, while it seems very likely he's going out in a blaze of glory because we forged the doom of his age so we can't rely on him to disengage if things get to bad. I think the likely rewards from that avenue are less likely to materialize. Go for the lich (somewhat) in hand as it were.
With Xyl eliminated I've come to lean towards assault actually.
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Well, on the discussion of what to next resumed, I think we should consider what we can reasonably expect from the two outcomes.
The local lich very likely has a spell that can somehow help with Cultivation - that's probably why the sect leader is camping out next to or in the Vault. We don't want to do anything to jeopordise getting that, as it could be tremendously valuable. Rihaku's warnings about Beyond Points is well taken. We're lucky to have an extra update to accrue Beyond Points, as it's possible that we'll really, really want to have three BPs available when we get to this lich. Having spent everything on the Arch-Terrorist's attack spells would then be exceptionally galling.
It's also very unlikely if not impossible that the Peak Dao Cleaving reinforcements can properly kill the Arch-Terrorist, only discorporate him. If they do, we'll very likely still be able to examine his constructs to get a template to use
We'll also probably be in a good place to try to scam/buy the artifact from whoever takes it. We currently have a very valuable cultivation resource for a Peak Dao Cleaving expert, after all. Even if we don't keep it, then we can still try to track down his phylactery.
The local lich very likely has a spell that can somehow help with Cultivation - that's probably why the sect leader is camping out next to or in the Vault. We don't want to do anything to jeopordise getting that, as it could be tremendously valuable. Rihaku's warnings about Beyond Points is well taken. We're lucky to have an extra update to accrue Beyond Points, as it's possible that we'll really, really want to have three BPs available when we get to this lich. Having spent everything on the Arch-Terrorist's attack spells would then be exceptionally galling.
It's also very unlikely if not impossible that the Peak Dao Cleaving reinforcements can properly kill the Arch-Terrorist, only discorporate him. If they do, we'll very likely still be able to examine his constructs to get a template to use
We'll also probably be in a good place to try to scam/buy the artifact from whoever takes it. We currently have a very valuable cultivation resource for a Peak Dao Cleaving expert, after all. Even if we don't keep it, then we can still try to track down his phylactery.
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Rihaku
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You pretty much have to, your current Cultivation multipliers are too low. Taking the correct risks is quite important. But it's still very early on in his adventure and Nameless is doing quite well.
Your reincarnate self would most certainly not be happy to be first sent hurtling into the past, then jammed into the mind of an infant! They could maybe use you as some sort of totem, though, held aloft like Simba from Rafiki's hands.
But is that really True?
Did you mean to copy that part of the vote? From your commentary I suspect you may have wanted to copy the 'Confront the Bleak Ravens' part?
Apologies if I misunderstood.
Then we need to get better at skewing the odds. We got two slightly below average rolls and an exceptional one, and the results were still distinctly disappointing.
It's important to know that our Cultivation modifiers are still one a real issue. That changes how to balance priorities, given how much more important it is to get multipliers early on.
Ah, I'm wise to the devil's advocate now! The question is not whether it's possible to win with Diagram Magic, as surely it is if we go EFB enough, but whether it's unnecessarily difficult and risky to do so.
Seem like the elves would have needed to invest in an artifact dummy/pacifier!
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OctarineShrike
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Righto, switching over to the less aggressive version, I guess? And maybe we won't need the immediate combat boost after all. One can only hope.
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That mistake was corrected so it's alright.
Strange9
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If we're going to directly confront the Bleak Ravens, it would seem to behoove us to power up as much as possible. Being high-Dao Cleaving in combat potential (and being able to get an x6 personal speed modifier) should be fairly handy.
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If we're going to directly confront the Bleak Ravens, it would seem to behoove us to power up as much as possible. Being high-Dao Cleaving in combat potential (and being able to get an x6 personal speed modifier) should be fairly handy.
Regarding Ravens, be cognizant of two risks compounding upon each other - Lich might not even be there, making entire thing a waste of time, and there is a risk of running into nascent Reality Forming Patriarch, which could end up badly for us or our allies.
Speaking of Patriarch, he's very good reason to eat the Pearl; at 4.75 and x6 we might be capable of somewhat matching his weakened 5.1.
Also, we do want viable attack Diagram spells. On their own they are more or less fuck useless, but we can combine them with powerful offensive artifacts to get actually powerful vectors of attacks. Or rather, this is something we have to do at some point, and given that Diagram Mages are Doomed, this might be our best opportunity.
Speaking of Patriarch, he's very good reason to eat the Pearl; at 4.75 and x6 we might be capable of somewhat matching his weakened 5.1.
Also, we do want viable attack Diagram spells. On their own they are more or less fuck useless, but we can combine them with powerful offensive artifacts to get actually powerful vectors of attacks. Or rather, this is something we have to do at some point, and given that Diagram Mages are Doomed, this might be our best opportunity.
Shard
One and Many
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So I went back and read some omakes, particularly the one where Nameless complained to Leifang about fighting the Goddess.
I'd say.. Our objectives are, in order:
1. Find the Heroine.
2. Kill the Heroine.
3. Make it stick.
4. Complete 1-3 before the Empires collapse.
Diagram, followed by Artificing and Socializing are pretty much our only option at 1.
Cultivation, following by Artificing, is our best bet at 2.
Any combination, but ideally Diagram, Artificing and Socializing in conjunction should be used to achieve 3.
One intriguing thing about the Black Ravens is their Divination-Cultivation. This is extremely intriguing, Fate-Cultivation possibilities aside, seeing as Cultivation is said to be a mishmash of magic systems. What I'm getting here is that Cultivation is in theory capable of everything, because in is, strictly speaking, a mish-mash of magic systems. One can mash more magic systems if one wanted, likely to beneficial results.
I'd say.. Our objectives are, in order:
1. Find the Heroine.
2. Kill the Heroine.
3. Make it stick.
4. Complete 1-3 before the Empires collapse.
Diagram, followed by Artificing and Socializing are pretty much our only option at 1.
Cultivation, following by Artificing, is our best bet at 2.
Any combination, but ideally Diagram, Artificing and Socializing in conjunction should be used to achieve 3.
One intriguing thing about the Black Ravens is their Divination-Cultivation. This is extremely intriguing, Fate-Cultivation possibilities aside, seeing as Cultivation is said to be a mishmash of magic systems. What I'm getting here is that Cultivation is in theory capable of everything, because in is, strictly speaking, a mish-mash of magic systems. One can mash more magic systems if one wanted, likely to beneficial results.
I know this isn't true, but my headcanon is that you wanted to curtail BP production before it skyrocketed too much.
Rihaku
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It's a bit complicated since the Doom of the Liches has fallen. Whichever ones you don't get to in time (of which there will be many, since you aren't fast enough to cover that much ground) will die off and you'll have to reinvent their spells yourself. The more apt question may be - which type of spell do you think may be harder to reinvent? It may well be that Cultivation boosters are easily than highly exotic attacks forms to create. And of course, power is its own means of acceleration - if your spells make you low Reality Forming level, then you can extract Dao Cleaving-tier resources from a much wider area, just as the Ravens Patriarch attempted to.
Nameless got what he wanted, money and information. The Treasure was a nice bonus.
The only surefire way I see to make Diagram spells a useful attack is Beyond Points. I am willing to shell out Beyond Points for cultivation boosting spells but not attacks. Even the 'Might' spell is a tough sell as it requires 3 Beyond Points to become a true game-changer, 3 is a lot.
Rihaku
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You wouldn't consider a full 1-stage buff a true game-changer? That's some High Expectations Asian Parent shit!
I know this isn't true, but my headcanon is that you wanted to curtail BP production before it skyrocketed too much.
That particular update didn't see an unusual level of BP production?
Alectai
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Yeah, if this guy does--in fact--have some kind of power that can amplify Cultivators--that he invented some spell that even the residual effects are enough to be valuable to a Reality Forming Cultivator, than we absolutely want to get a cut of that.
The Pearl is a fine piece of barter for a Reality Forming expert, being one of the few forms of payment that can move even such a lofty fighter, and it's especially valuable for someone who's damaged their foundation and needs to stabilize it.
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Yeah, if this guy does--in fact--have some kind of power that can amplify Cultivators--that he invented some spell that even the residual effects are enough to be valuable to a Reality Forming Cultivator, than we absolutely want to get a cut of that.
The Pearl is a fine piece of barter for a Reality Forming expert, being one of the few forms of payment that can move even such a lofty fighter, and it's especially valuable for someone who's damaged their foundation and needs to stabilize it.
OctarineShrike
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We can always forge an artifact for an exotic attack vector later on. If we are powerful enough, we can also bring along a few hired helpers with such capabilities (such as Huai who could use Fist Counter). Then there is of course also the option of killing her repeatedly.
What we should focus on now is cultivation multipliers and getting a solid foundation, not exotic attack vectors.
What we should focus on now is cultivation multipliers and getting a solid foundation, not exotic attack vectors.