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Being the Holy Grail is Suffering... [Worm/FSN Quest]

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Rowknan said:
I'd have to disagree. Mordred while a bit of a brat and a bloodthirsty warrior is not malevolent like Sophia is. They are both products of the world that shaped them, but Mordred actually tried to some good as knight in between tragedies.

AND THAT IS THE TRUE HERESY YOU FUCKING HERETIC! I LIKE MY WAIFUS LIKE MY NITROGLYCERIN, VOLATILE AND DANGEROUS!

I thought lolita meant loli-lite. Like petite bordering on loli. Shows what I know...
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But you just admitted the resemblance! That's the point man, they aren't copies but they resemble each other enough that Vista will compare her to Sophia.
I would clearly show you, the glory of her Majesty, the Empress Nero but I'm too tired now, it's 2:39 in France now and I want to sleep! But I can't help but answer! Damn you!
I'm still sticking to my Chiron choice tho, Chiron can make Vista progress while not being completely sidelined by the fact that he can't fight. While it seems cool to you guys that Vista will 'bloom' with the other Heroes with zero combat capabilities, then who will fight and support Vista against the Heroic Spirits, the manifestation of Legendary Heroes and their fucking Noble Phantasms?
 
emberwing said:
oh totally agreed, i simply also believe that the whole naked lolita thing just shames the story taking away value and adding nothing.
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True, but it's Japan. That is never going to change 9 times out of 10. On the plus side, at least Mordred and Arturia's armor are somewhat practical and cover their whole bodies. That's progress.
 
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[X] Caster (Hans Christian Andersen)

It was a toss-up between him and Moedred, but I just liked him slightly more.
 
Terran Imperium said:
I'm still sticking to my Chiron choice tho, Chiron can make Vista progress while not being completely sidelined by the fact that he can't fight. While it seems cool to you guys that Vista will 'bloom' with the other Heroes with zero combat capabilities, then who will fight and support Vista against the Heroic Spirits, the manifestation of Legendary Heroes and their fucking Noble Phantasms?
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Hans did manage to turn his Master into an Earth Goddess in Extra CCC...though that didn't exactly end well for the garbage woman. Haha ^ ^

You do make a really good point though. It would make dealing with other Master's much much much harder
 
Terran Imperium said:
But you just admitted the resemblance! That's the point man, they aren't copies but they resemble each other enough that Vista will compare her to Sophia.
I would clearly show you, the glory of her Majesty, the Empress Nero but I'm too tired now, it's 2:39 in France now and I want to sleep! But I can't help but answer! Damn you!
I'm still sticking to my Chiron choice tho, Chiron can make Vista progress while not being completely sidelined by the fact that he can't fight. While it seems cool to you guys that Vista will 'bloom' with the other Heroes with zero combat capabilities, then who will fight and support Vista against the Heroic Spirits, the manifestation of Legendary Heroes and their fucking Noble Phantasms?
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Good point. Call me old fashioned though, but I enjoy a bit of Master-Servant interpersonal conflict. It really helps bring out the chaos of it all. :D
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FacelessDoll said:
Hans did manage to turn his Master into an Earth Goddess in Extra CCC...though that didn't exactly end well for the garbage woman. Haha ^ ^

You do make a really good point though. It would make dealing with other Master's much much much harder
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That just makes our job as Holy Grail and malevolent demon god all the easier!
 
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And now votes between archer and saber are tied.


emberwing said:
It's crappy fan service that only takes away from the plot, action and story concept in my opinion. I'd say it's more offensive against the viewers if I didn't know that many actually enjoy watching girls with magic/swords/guns/anything fight or doing anything really.
as to whether or not it's offensive, i don't think so and if you are offended tough shit i'm not apologising for peoples perceived wrongdoings especially over a fictional character.

i honestly see their family reunions going something like this, "Hey dad why do you have tits?", "Well son, the same reason you don't have a dick anymore, i'm fighting in a fucking dress that reaches my legs and I'm in a BDSM relationship with my owner.", i find the concept of weird sexualised characters whose legends have been so altered/corrupted due to the humongous amount of "sexy" art and porn to be an interesting concept but the writers don't really do anything with it either which is a waste.
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And you honestly didn't understand my post at all and just used it to rant out your own opinion.

...Yeah, whatever dude.
 
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Rowknan said:
I feel that Fate while in no way faithful to the original legends, does it's best to provide character arcs among all the fan service it gives. Mordred for instance is fucking tragic and relatable while being a half naked lolita.
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Last I check Mordred usually doesn't run around half-naked in battle either, instead running around in her giant-ass suit of full armor.
Terran Imperium said:
Leaving through an experience kind of similar doesn't make you any wiser to interact with a pre-teen apart from sympathy but everyone can give you that even if they don't understand, being a teacher tho is but that doesn't match Chiron's teaching experience.
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Waver went through that exact experience as a Pre-teen though. Like he will almost literally be going through the same exact role as Vista would be were he summoned. He stole a catalyst and participated in a grail war out of a sheer ballsy/stupid desire to prove himself to be more than a child and validate his essay. Waver's character arc is going to boil down to the same thing as Vista's. He would understand how to help her best because he was almost literally in her goddamn shoes.

And of course he wouldn't be a better teacher than Chiron. Chiron is goddamn Chiron. Here's the thing, though. Chiron makes heroes. Vista doesn't need to be a hero, she just needs to mature, not become the next Jason or Achilles.

Terran Imperium said:
And what heresy are you spouting? Nero is the best girl.
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emberwing said:
oh totally agreed, i simply also believe that the whole naked lolita thing just shames the story taking away value and adding nothing.
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Mordred isn't a Lolita. She also doesn't run around naked or half-naked.

That's what she runs around in when in battle. Also, we see child mordred in Apophryca. Child Mordred is what she would be if she were a Loli.
Terran Imperium said:
But you just admitted the resemblance! That's the point man, they aren't copies but they resemble each other enough that Vista will compare her to Sophia.
I would clearly show you, the glory of her Majesty, the Empress Nero but I'm too tired now, it's 2:39 in France now and I want to sleep! But I can't help but answer! Damn you!
I'm still sticking to my Chiron choice tho, Chiron can make Vista progress while not being completely sidelined by the fact that he can't fight. While it seems cool to you guys that Vista will 'bloom' with the other Heroes with zero combat capabilities, then who will fight and support Vista against the Heroic Spirits, the manifestation of Legendary Heroes and their fucking Noble Phantasms?
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Her other option who can definitely fight? Waver/Zhuge are pretty damn strong. Mordred is goddamn Saber. Do not knock Hans. You should fear the tiny bastard.
OverReactionGuy said:
And you honestly didn't understand my post at all and just used it to rant out your own opinion.

...Yeah, whatever dude.
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Frankly the man doesn't understand Fate lore at all...
emberwing said:
It's crappy fan service that only takes away from the plot, action and story concept in my opinion. I'd say it's more offensive against the viewers if I didn't know that many actually enjoy watching girls with magic/swords/guns/anything fight or doing anything really.
as to whether or not it's offensive, i don't think so and if you are offended tough shit i'm not apologising for peoples perceived wrongdoings especially over a fictional character.

i honestly see their family reunions going something like this, "Hey dad why do you have tits?", "Well son, the same reason you don't have a dick anymore, i'm fighting in a fucking dress that reaches my legs and I'm in a BDSM relationship with my owner.", i find the concept of weird sexualised characters whose legends have been so altered/corrupted due to the humongous amount of "sexy" art and porn to be an interesting concept but the writers don't really do anything with it either which is a waste.
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Because THIS ain't close to how Nasuverse works!
 
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Solsticegelan said:
MAY THE POWER OF THE BEST GODDAMN CHARACTER IN APOCRYPHA WIN.

wait shit Karna is in Aophryca.

SECOND BEST.
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I'd say it's close between them. But Moedred is far more entertaining!
Adhoc vote count started by Rowknan on Feb 17, 2018 at 8:57 PM, finished with 567 posts and 49 votes.
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Solsticegelan said:
MAY THE POWER OF THE BEST GODDAMN CHARACTER IN APOCRYPHA WIN.

wait shit Karna is in Aophryca.

SECOND BEST.
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Chiron kinda won the war for the black team. He's like responsible for at least two of the red team servants deaths and their major heavy hitter.

He took away Arch's immortality and got him to promise to give up a noble phantasm to griffon guy. So Arch went to kill Alantia and ended up making it a duel kill situation and Karna got fucked up by the given noble phantasm. Man gotta planned all of that in advance.
 
Okay now to sleep, I don't need to answ-
Rowknan said:
Good point. Call me old fashioned though, but I enjoy a bit of Master-Servant interpersonal conflict. It really helps bring out the chaos of it all. :D
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That just makes our job as Holy Grail and malevolent demon god all the easier!
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Solsticegelan said:
Last I check Mordred usually doesn't run around half-naked in battle either, instead running around in her giant-ass suit of full armor.

Waver went through that exact experience as a Pre-teen though. Like he will almost literally be going through the same exact role as Vista would be were he summoned. He stole a catalyst and participated in a grail war out of a sheer ballsy/stupid desire to prove himself to be more than a child and validate his essay. Waver's character arc is going to boil down to the same thing as Vista's. He would understand how to help her best because he was almost literally in her goddamn shoes.

And of course he wouldn't be a better teacher than Chiron. Chiron is goddamn Chiron. Here's the thing, though. Chiron makes heroes. Vista doesn't need to be a hero, she just needs to mature, not become the next Jason or Achilles.


HERES

Mordred isn't a Lolita. She also doesn't run around naked or half-naked.

That's what she runs around in when in battle. Also, we see child mordred. Child Mordred is what she would be if she were a Loli.

Her other option who can definitely fight? Waver/Zhuge are pretty damn strong. Mordred is goddamn Saber. Do not knock Hans. You should fear the tiny bastard.

Frankly the man doesn't understand Fate lore at all...

Because THIS ain't close to how Nasuverse works!
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Can't I sleep? Please?
Anyway read Greysongarr analysis and you would know a little bit more I guess. I don't want to take Mordred for Vista since she will compare her to Sophia and will just drag her around as a mana generator.
They may seems strong to you but considering the Servants that are going to come soon enough, they will get stomped. You don't seems to understand why Vista want to be considered more seriously, why do she want to be more mature? to be a good hero. And Chiron can make it so, here are the appropriate quotes from the update:
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"That isn't going to cut it."

"I…no, no this is easy. I would still be a hero."


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"Yeah…I…yes. That's right. I just…I just feel helpless. I have this power, but no one seems to believe that I can do things for myself."

"I believe in you."

Vista's eyes darted up to meet the gaze of the strange girl across from her. "What did you say?"
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Now off yoy go, I will check this thread tomorrow.
 
OverReactionGuy said:
Chiron kinda won the war for the black team. He's like responsible for at least two of the red team servants deaths and their major heavy hitter.

He took away Arch's immortality and got him to promise to give up a noble phantasm to griffon guy. So Arch went to kill Alantia and ended up making it a duel kill situation and Karna got fucked up by the given noble phantasm. Man gotta planned all of that in advance.
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And yet I am left without tears at his passing. Because he's fucking Chiron JUST ADD HIM TO THE SERVANT POOL ALREADY IN F/GO DAMNIT!
 
Rowknan said:
True dat. But counter argument:
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COUNTER COUNTER XDXDXD
Chiron looked way more badass in this fight


EDIT: but yeah, this fight is this thread now, it feels like. Come on Casters, fight dirty! This is your chance to rout the enemy while they are busy fighting each other!

EDIT EDIT: I just want people to argue more...
 
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