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Puella Magi Imperatrix Mundi, or: Wherein Half Of Japan Tries To Kill You

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Right.

So I guess I should stop dancing around, and actually propose a vote.

The lease itself isn't a terrible idea. Several of us want it just to have something to work with. It gives the group relief, it lets us be more engaged with them, and better understand the direction we want them to take. We don't want to decide the lives of seven people on Maiko's minute-long summary of their conundrum and Konno's assesment of it.

What most of us seem to object to is Konno's possible intentions to use it to advance her position.

So, a very rough draft would be...

[ ] Yes, agree to the lease, set terms (angle the conditions so you get to know these people)
[ ] The lease is terminated if they start something. It is meant as help, not as a tool to promote anyone's interests. Which is why we will take it to their leader.
[ ] If she is worried Furuhata will stonewall the decision (no she's not, she just wants the credit), we can just make the terms public so that her group could decide on this together.

Agree to the offer, but explicitly forbid its use as a political tool, and set the conditions to that effect.

You don't even need her to agree to it, if you want to go through with the plan.

Edit: hmm. SystemicHatter seems to have beat me to it.

Well, we've been at it all day. I don't know if we will think of anything much better.

[x] SystemicHatter
 
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SystemicHatter said:
[X] You know what position her group is in perfectly, in fact. You're sympathetic - being short of Grief Seeds and stuck in the middle of an imploding group must suck.
[X] The thing is, though, that despite the fact that you're well aware of her reasons for going behind her group leader's back this time, this isn't the first time. And this kind of behaviour tends to tear apart groups violently.
[X] You're perfectly willing to make a similar deal to the one she suggested (though perhaps less tied to the territory itself), with her group, but not at the cost of bringing bullshit Tokyo politics into it. That's counterproductive to the stability you're trying to build, within Nagamioka and without.
[X] Does she have any way of addressing your concerns?
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Hmm... probes intentions, makes our expectations regarding Tokyo politics clear, less confrontational than my vote... I can live with this.

[X] SystemicHatter
 
Unhappy. Unhappy with the idea of leasing land. Unhappy with the focus on avoiding manipulation and politics over trying to secure a deal wherein we annex them and possibly their land, too.
 
Echo said:
The twin swords is Konno, BTW, and hers are nothing special. Oshigiri's weapon is a fuck-huge anime sword longer than Yui is tall.
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You misunderstood. They have access to two of those swords at once because one of the other members can copy equipment, and according to you, usually copies that greatwsword. Thus, twin conceptual slicing swords.
 
redzonejoe said:
Unhappy. Unhappy with the idea of leasing land. Unhappy with the focus on avoiding manipulation and politics over trying to secure a deal wherein we annex them and possibly their land, too.
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*shrug* Nothing stopping you from creating a countervote. Plus, like, three people have voted for it; it's only a majority because people aren't voting.
 
Expanded @SystemicHatter's vote:

[X] You know what position her group is in perfectly, in fact. You're sympathetic - being short of Grief Seeds and stuck in the middle of an imploding group must suck.
[X] The thing is, though, that despite the fact that you're well aware of her reasons for going behind her group leader's back this time, this isn't the first time. And this kind of behaviour tends to tear apart groups violently.
[X] You're perfectly willing to make a similar deal to the one she suggested (though perhaps less tied to the territory itself), with her group, but not at the cost of bringing bullshit Tokyo politics into it, if at all possible. That's counterproductive to the stability you're trying to build, within Nagamioka and without.
[X] Does she have any way of addressing your concerns?
[X] Possible alternative proposals; What are her thoughts on them?
-[X] Convincing Furuhata to come talk to us and listen when we tell her about her group's problems and how we would like to help. Does Konno think it's possible, and is she willing to possibly forfeit her shot at leadership and still help if the problems can be worked out that way?
-[X] Ask Maiko if Konno could be trusted to become part of our intel group and behave herself, and if we could integrate the other personalities. If yes, also offer a full annexation of the entire group.

- Added 'if at all possible' to the 'no Tokyo bullshit' line, to show that we're not completely out of touch with reality.
- Added the alternative proposals in order to speed things up by reducing the number of question-ad-answer updates this conversation will take.
 
[X] Plan Work-study Program
-[X] You know what position her group is in perfectly, in fact. You're sympathetic - being short of Grief Seeds and stuck in the middle of an imploding group must suck. However, you really need to not go behind her leader's back on this. Suggest she act as a go-between and bring an offer to Furuhata. Get her leader to at least meet telepathically - or preferably in person with whoever she wants to bring - to hammer out details. She can claim we contacted her or whatever if she wants, as long as she gets that meeting for us.
-[X] Suggest that you could take on problem children from her group as a sort of trial period. Attach them to existing groups in your territory. They can hunt well, as long as they are willing to do it using the guidelines and patrol routes you've worked out for optimal hunting. A third of every gem they acquire could be sent back to the Tokyo group as a sort of loaner fee. If things don't work out, you send them back none the worse and with a few new Grief seeds under their skirts. The name of the game is friendly relations and efficient cooperation/collection of Grief seeds.
--[X] Chizuka - or Tsurumi, but probably not both - could do well under Yumi or Koharu.
--[X] Tamazaki or Miyu or Konno herself could do well under your aegis personally, or possibly the Gundam trio. So that, frankly, you could keep an eye on Tamazaki or Konno with the understanding that if they start farming familiars or backstabbing the group you will come down on them like a ton of pink bricks.
--[X] Heck, Furuhata and Oshigiri could potentially hold down their own territory in Nagamioka or their current location so long as they were willing to pay heed to us, their adorable overlord.
-[X] You'll check in with the relevant Nagamioka groups as necessary. We want any group's input before we stick them with a new member, and to address their concerns properly.

I suggested Yumi or Koharu for Chizuka or Tsurumi because Koharu's group is friendly and Yumi is easy-going, neither group being excessively powerful to trigger Tsurumi's inferiority complex, and Koharu's group would combo well with Tsurumi's power in particular.

I suggested Tamazaki under Yui because you need the fount of cuteness to counteract the jaded veteranness, but given she was likened a bit to Kyoko I don't think she's beyond redemption. Maiko and Yui and Minami together should be able to head off any problems at the pass.
I suggested Konno under Yui because honestly her tendency to reach out to other groups is great! Yui could use that. Yui just wants Konno to keep her in the loop, and we can have Minami and Maiko keep an eye on her so she doesn't overdo it.
I suggested Miyu under Yui because our territory involves a lot of newbies and we could all get through this together.

The Gundam trio is also a potential vector for Konno or Tamazaki because they are a stable group with not a lot of weak points to pick at. They work extremely well together but don't have ambition, and that can be a good thing.

Furuhata and Oshigiri almost have to be on their own though, since Furuhata is a great draft pick but Oshigiri's jealousy issues mean we don't want to subject one of our own girls to her crap, and then potentially we could move Konno and Naoko over to them where their dysfunctions balance each out well at some later point.
 
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Crimson Doom said:
*shrug* Nothing stopping you from creating a countervote. Plus, like, three people have voted for it; it's only a majority because people aren't voting.
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*countershrug* just letting people know where I stand. My brain juices aren't flowing atm so making a vote is hard, but if others share the sentiment then maybe things'll work out. Squeaky wheel gets the grease type of thing.
 
redzonejoe said:
Unhappy. Unhappy with the idea of leasing land. Unhappy with the focus on avoiding manipulation and politics over trying to secure a deal wherein we annex them and possibly their land, too.
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You make sound points. I really do want to limit contact between our groups for now. Yet, here is a person offering a decent deal. Commerce and diplomacy beats the heck out of martial solutions to problems. We can be fairly certain that attempting to go directly to Furuhata will get us another concrete wall of zero negotiations. And yet hanging them out to dry does not really seem like a very Yui thing to do. Konno picked her shot well.

Yui will feel some degree of desire to help, which is why I wrote a vote for a deal to be taken. I am trying to keep the two groups separate wherever not actively disadvantageous for us. If we take the deal we will have some amount of complicity with any shenanigans to go down. So, if Konno uses this to help take leadership from Furuhata we should remember to use that as leverage in future agreements as compensation for our complicity.
 
Overall I don't have any faith in Furuhata and I dislike the distrust for Konno inherent in this vote, but on the other hand, it's pretty clear that overall we're not willing to take a leap of faith without pressing for more information from Konno. While I think that failing to take direct action here will lead to more trouble, maintaining any form of relationship will allow us to assist in whatever fallout occurs.
All that in mind, I support the slightly expanded vote.

[X] Gnarker
Adhoc vote count started by Subjective on Feb 16, 2018 at 8:46 PM, finished with 10159 posts and 9 votes.
  • [X] You know what position her group is in perfectly, in fact. You're sympathetic - being short of Grief Seeds and stuck in the middle of an imploding group must suck.
    [X] The thing is, though, that despite the fact that you're well aware of her reasons for going behind her group leader's back this time, this isn't the first time. And this kind of behaviour tends to tear apart groups violently.
    [X] You're perfectly willing to make a similar deal to the one she suggested (though perhaps less tied to the territory itself), with her group, but not at the cost of bringing bullshit Tokyo politics into it. That's counterproductive to the stability you're trying to build, within Nagamioka and without.
    [X] Does she have any way of addressing your concerns?
    [X]This arrangement seems loosely amenable so far, so lets get down to the brass tacks of the agreement.
    -[X]Konno knows we are an Aikawa, so we should demonstrate that. Tell her that we will lease the territory for some agreed upon time with a few conditions, for now with a more open ended agreement for after the first lease ends
    --[X]The duration of the initial lease should be for no more than 2 months for now, and no less than 2 weeks
    -[X]Start negotiations at 50/50 split of GS collected, but be willing to move as far as 40/60 of the GS collected, in their favor.
    --[X]if pressed argue that Witches are especially abundant presently, and that the relatively short duration of the lease will allow for renegotiation of terms as the situation changes with more simplicity
    -[X]Yui's group must be notified of all magical girls that enter or are in the lease territory, and a member of Yui's group must be present for any meetings with such magical girls. Our fluffy Mephistopheles is currently on a recruiting spree through Nagamioka, and we want to prevent any unfortunate accidents.
    -[X]quietly set Maiko, and possibly Yumi, on determining what chunk of territory to lease out, while we sort out the rest of the details
    [X] You know what position her group is in perfectly, in fact. You're sympathetic - being short of Grief Seeds and stuck in the middle of an imploding group must suck.
    [X] The thing is, though, that despite the fact that you're well aware of her reasons for going behind her group leader's back this time, this isn't the first time. And this kind of behaviour tends to tear apart groups violently.
    [X] You're perfectly willing to make a similar deal to the one she suggested (though perhaps less tied to the territory itself), with her group, but not at the cost of bringing bullshit Tokyo politics into it, if at all possible. That's counterproductive to the stability you're trying to build, within Nagamioka and without.
    [X] Does she have any way of addressing your concerns?
    [X] Possible alternative proposals; What are her thoughts on them?
    -[X] Convincing Furuhata to come talk to us and listen when we tell her about her group's problems and how we would like to help. Does Konno think it's possible, and is she willing to possibly forfeit her shot at leadership and still help if the problems can be worked out that way?
    -[X] Ask Maiko if Konno could be trusted to become part of our intel group and behave herself, and if we could integrate the other personalities. If yes, also offer a full annexation of the entire group.
    [x] Ask Maiko how trustworthy we could expect Konno to be. If we got her transferred to us and put her in a high-ranking planner position, how worried would we need to be about her backstabbing us? Would she have any issues with Maiko in particular?
    [x] At the same time, stall for time in a productive way:
    -[x] Ask Konno to clarify about this situation with Chizuka and Miyu if she thinks it's unobvious.
    -[x] Ask Konno about Furuhata's group's exact situation. Are their main problems a lack of Grief Seeds, hostile neighbours, or both?
    [x] If Maiko doesn't think we can't work with Konno, propose the following:
    -[x] Konno and Tsurumi Ninomiya are transferred to our group on permanent basis, Konno is offered a senior planning position. In exchange, we pay Furuhata's group a set amount of Grief Seeds each week for a few months. Ask her if it would be at all possible to get Furuhata to agree to this.
    -[x] Do away with any pretenses: we're perfectly aware that we're making a backroom deal, and we're perfectly aware of Konno's true magic.
    -[x] If asked what's in it for Konno herself, note that your group is large enough to put her well away from direct fights, and is only expected to grow.
    [x] If Maiko doesn't think we can work with Konno, or if the abovementioned plan is made unviable otherwise:
    -[x] Ask Konno what arrangement of "loaned" magical girls she would prefer.
    -[x] Ask Maiko what she thinks is the preferable course of actions.
    [X] Plan Work-study Program
    -[X] You know what position her group is in perfectly, in fact. You're sympathetic - being short of Grief Seeds and stuck in the middle of an imploding group must suck. However, you really need to not go behind her leader's back on this. Suggest she act as a go-between and bring an offer to Furuhata. Get her leader to at least meet telepathically - or preferably in person with whoever she wants to bring - to hammer out details. She can claim we contacted her or whatever if she wants, as long as she gets that meeting for us.
    -[X] Suggest that you could take on problem children from her group as a sort of trial period. Attach them to existing groups in your territory. They can hunt well, as long as they are willing to do it using the guidelines and patrol routes you've worked out for optimal hunting. A third of every gem they acquire could be sent back to the Tokyo group as a sort of loaner fee. If things don't work out, you send them back none the worse and with a few new Grief seeds under their skirts. The name of the game is friendly relations and efficient cooperation/collection of Grief seeds.
    --[X] Chizuka - or Tsurumi, but probably not both - could do well under Yumi or Koharu.
    --[X] Tamazaki or Miyu or Konno herself could do well under your aegis personally, or possibly the Gundam trio. So that, frankly, you could keep an eye on Tamazaki or Konno with the understanding that if they start farming familiars or backstabbing the group you will come down on them like a ton of pink bricks.
    --[X] Heck, Furuhata and Oshigiri could potentially hold down their own territory in Nagamioka or their current location so long as they were willing to pay heed to us, their adorable overlord.
    -[X] Obviously you'd need to hammer this out with the relevant Nagamioka groups as necessary. We want any group's input before we stick them with a new member, and to address their concerns properly.
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Guile said:
[X] Obviously you'd need to hammer this out with the relevant Nagamioka groups as necessary. We want any group's input before we stick them with a new member, and to address their concerns properly.
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Any plan that requires us to negotiate with our own subordinates is going to weaken our negotiating position with Konno. It reveals that we are far less unified than we would like to appear. Dictatorial leadership is the norm, and if even Konno can present her making this agreement as a forgone conclusion to someone who outranks her, then we, as the nominal leader, not being able to do the same is not good.
 
Tallamee said:
Any plan that requires us to negotiate with our own subordinates is going to weaken our negotiating position with Konno. It reveals that we are far less unified than we would like to appear. Dictatorial leadership is the norm, and if even Konno can present her making this agreement as a forgone conclusion to someone who outranks her, then we, as the nominal leader, not being able to do the same is not good.
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Reworded somewhat.

That said, there's no sense in pretending to be a dictatorial leader when we're not. We are a kind and understanding Empress, and we want our subordinates to be happy. High school politics is a crucial magical girl skill in avoiding The Sads, and if Konno doesn't understand that basic point then I'm not convinced we want her after all.
 
Nevill said:
True, to an extent... even though the kind of backstabbing and conflict that was going in the Itabashi ward was an intergroup one (with the invasions and murders par the course), and this one is intragroup.
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Well, this conflict ceases to be purely intragroup the moment Yui starts actively meddling. That's why it's a concern. If it was already open conflict between other groups it'd be a lot easier to make a case for direct intervention.

Nervos Belli said:
-[X]quietly set Maiko, and possibly Yumi, on determining what chunk of territory to lease out, while we sort out the rest of the details
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Unless you specifically want to insist that the leased area not be adjacent to their actual territory, it pretty much has to follow the western border of Nagamioka. Central Asaka Ward is where the calligraphy girl probably lives, letting them share a border with other Tokyo groups is probably inviting trouble, further east is Koharu's territory, and further north is another area suspected to have a newly contracted local.

ShadowAngelBeta said:
On Konno in particular... It says she had enlightened self-interest, but her power means she sees the weaknesses in everything. Unless she's been able to figure out how to look at it backwards to see the strengths in things or at least is able to evaluate a "Well, this is as good as it gets I guess" on some level when looking at a group then she's going to be inherently toxic with no method of getting around that short of her rejecting her Wish.
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It's not like her wish magic is always active or involuntary, mind. It's pretty much the only advantage she has, though, so she has a natural habit of relying on it.

Crimson Doom said:
the possibility of her backstabbing us (which seems unlikely based on Word of Echo, but Yui doesn't know that yet)
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I think pretty much all of the info I've given is stuff Maiko could tell you or Yui could reasonably conclude from the conversation. Feel free to use that info for decision making as long as the chosen course of action has enough slack time for Yui to acquire that info IC.

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Wasn't that kind of thing inevitable the moment we promised to help if they needed it?
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Not really? I assume Yui would have intended the offer to be for Chizuka (i.e., offering asylum if she needs to leave her group) or for the group as a whole. Having someone who isn't nominally in charge come to Yui to negotiate for the whole group is definitely outside the intended scenario.

SolipsistSerpent said:
You misunderstood. They have access to two of those swords at once because one of the other members can copy equipment, and according to you, usually copies that greatwsword. Thus, twin conceptual slicing swords.
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Ah, right, yeah.

Speaking of which, a few notes on Tsurumi's magic:
  • She can duplicate things that are unique to a meguca, including special effects tied to their magic, but can't use anything that relies on the meguca using their wish magic themselves. She also doesn't get any intuitive ability to use what she duplicates. So, e.g.:
    • She can, in theory, duplicate and use Yui's wand. In practice, she'd struggle to lift it, would have no idea how to fire it, and even if she did manage to make it work the magic cost would be impractical. Also, she wouldn't be able to steer the beams like Yui does.
    • She could duplicate Maiko's grimoire, but wouldn't be able to read it. :V
    • She can duplicate Maiko's gadgets, but wouldn't be able to use any that draw on Maiko's MP.
    • Duplicating Homura's shield would give her the infinite storage but not the time stop.
  • Her duplication requires her to understand what's being duplicated, with an idiosyncratic and 'magical' definition of understanding, e.g.:
    • Duplicating a machine requires her to understand how it works, and while her wish magic subtly improves her memory and visualization skills it did not grant her an instant engineering degree.
    • Maiko's gadgets are more "engineered" than "enchanted", so she'd need a Magic Engineering 101 crash course from Maiko before being able to do much of anything. On the other hand, the duplicated items would be much longer-lasting than with most magic stuff.
    • Duplicating Miyu's artifacts requires detailed notes and/or an hour or so of explanation from Miyu to pull off, and the duplicates tend not to last very long.
    • Himari's enchanted equipment is right in the sweet spot and would very useful for her to duplicate.
  • She can also duplicate parts of a meguca's outfit, which sounds useless and mostly is, but duplicating Yui's goggles to avoid blinding her teammates would actually be handy. :V

Given that there still seems to be some discussion I'm probably not closing votes tonight? I'm thinking 15-20 hours, depending on how the discussion goes.
 
Echo said:
Well, this conflict ceases to be purely intragroup the moment Yui starts actively meddling. That's why it's a concern. If it was already open conflict between other groups it'd be a lot easier to make a case for direct intervention.



Unless you specifically want to insist that the leased area not be adjacent to their actual territory, it pretty much has to follow the western border of Nagamioka. Central Asaka Ward is where the calligraphy girl probably lives, letting them share a border with other Tokyo groups is probably inviting trouble, further east is Koharu's territory, and further north is another area suspected to have a newly contracted local.



It's not like her wish magic is always active or involuntary, mind. It's pretty much the only advantage she has, though, so she has a natural habit of relying on it.



I think pretty much all of the info I've given is stuff Maiko could tell you or Yui could reasonably conclude from the conversation. Feel free to use that info for decision making as long as the chosen course of action has enough slack time for Yui to acquire that info IC.



Not really? I assume Yui would have intended the offer to be for Chizuka (i.e., offering asylum if she needs to leave her group) or for the group as a whole. Having someone who isn't nominally in charge come to Yui to negotiate for the whole group is definitely outside the intended scenario.



Ah, right, yeah.

Speaking of which, a few notes on Tsurumi's magic:
  • She can duplicate things that are unique to a meguca, including special effects tied to their magic, but can't use anything that relies on the meguca using their wish magic themselves. She also doesn't get any intuitive ability to use what she duplicates. So, e.g.:
    • She can, in theory, duplicate and use Yui's wand. In practice, she'd struggle to lift it, would have no idea how to fire it, and even if she did manage to make it work the magic cost would be impractical. Also, she wouldn't be able to steer the beams like Yui does.
    • She could duplicate Maiko's grimoire, but wouldn't be able to read it. :V
    • She can duplicate Maiko's gadgets, but wouldn't be able to use any that draw on Maiko's MP.
    • Duplicating Homura's shield would give her the infinite storage but not the time stop.
  • Her duplication requires her to understand what's being duplicated, with an idiosyncratic and 'magical' definition of understanding, e.g.:
    • Duplicating a machine requires her to understand how it works, and while her wish magic subtly improves her memory and visualization skills it did not grant her an instant engineering degree.
    • Maiko's gadgets are more "engineered" than "enchanted", so she'd need a Magic Engineering 101 crash course from Maiko before being able to do much of anything. On the other hand, the duplicated items would be much longer-lasting than with most magic stuff.
    • Duplicating Miyu's artifacts requires detailed notes and/or an hour or so of explanation from Miyu to pull off, and the duplicates tend not to last very long.
    • Himari's enchanted equipment is right in the sweet spot and would very useful for her to duplicate.
  • She can also duplicate parts of a meguca's outfit, which sounds useless and mostly is, but duplicating Yui's goggles to avoid blinding her teammates would actually be handy. :V

Given that there still seems to be some discussion I'm probably not closing votes tonight? I'm thinking 15-20 hours, depending on how the discussion goes.
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I assume she can't duplicate an unfilled grief seed? Because that sounds like the first thing I'd try and they'd be in a much much better position if that were the case.
 
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I assume she can't duplicate an unfilled grief seed? Because that sounds like the first thing I'd try and they'd be in a much much better position if that were the case.
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She can only duplicate inanimate objects. Soul Gems and Grief Seeds, despite appearances to the contrary, count as "alive", so no.
 
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I assume she can't duplicate an unfilled grief seed? Because that sounds like the first thing I'd try and they'd be in a much much better position if that were the case.
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I think @Echo stated earlier that grief seeds and soul gems are impossible, presumably because they both contain souls.
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He said they don't count as 'inanimate' objects for her her ability to duplicate inanimate objects.

EDIT: Ninja'd.
 
Okay imma go eat spaghetti and work on crafting a vote. Brb. Feel free to throw ideas at me, but I may not be able to include them all.
 
[X] Plan Delightfully soft, and yet still firm.

-[] Attempt to coordinate with Koharu via telepathy. Koharu will play 'bad cop', and continue to act suspicious and probe for weaknesses In Konno's statements/logic/negotiating position/etc.. Koharu, knowing Yui intends to recruit and protect these girls, wants to make sure they are trustworthy even before Yui mentions the desire outloud, explaining her suspicious attitude. Koharu will eventually bring up how Konno's actions will likely cause a fracture within her group or even an outright coup, which Yui will be surprised about and be very unhappy with.
--[] Yui will play the good cop, who wants everybody to get along well and safe. Yui will attempt to avoid sounding naive, but will make her feelings clear on the subject of recruiting others for their own good and so she can better protect both them and the city (from witches and invaders). Yui will naturally be distressed at the underhanded tactics Konno is displaying, but will make an attempt at forgiveness given the potential direness of Konno's situation. Yui will argue for honesty, openness and full disclosure going forward into the negotiations.

-[] We intend to recruit Konno and the others fully into Yui's swiftly expanding harem team, both for the benefits to the team and because we intend to keep those girls alive. Yui believes she can best do so as their direct leader and protector. Yui understands that a gradual approach is sometimes necessary, and so is willing to agree to lesser measures in the interim (such as a land lease), with the understanding of recruitment down the line. This is regardless of whether Konno agrees to be recruited; all shall fall to Yui's charm in the end (jokingly or just internal thoughts)! Yui provides the condition that her contribution not be the direct or indirect cause of such strife that the recruitment of other members of the team becomes impossible. This means no coup, no fractured team. If no lasting deal can be created without causing irreparable strife within the team, then we will only agree to more temporary measures such as a short loan of seeds until more open negotiations can occur.
--[] Yui asks about Konno's original intentions in arranging this meeting, and if, after Yui's own goals are made clear, Konno's intentions are the same. Yui attempts to accommodate Konno's goals so far as they do not conflict with her own goals of protection and eventual recruitment. Where there are disagreements, they attempt to find a middle ground.


Rough draft. Thoughts and ideas?

And as always, Echo can modify the text as he sees fit. Turn it into a dialogue, whatever so long as the intent is clear.

Guile said:
Use my vote.
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Denied. Good try though.

Edit: put the x in the box, plan is official.

Edit 2: Revised plan, old version on page 410
 
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Echo said:
Not really? I assume Yui would have intended the offer to be for Chizuka (i.e., offering asylum if she needs to leave her group) or for the group as a whole. Having someone who isn't nominally in charge come to Yui to negotiate for the whole group is definitely outside the intended scenario.
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It was a reply about becoming 'complicit' in their internal politics, and potentially getting in a situation like the one with Yumi.

With their leader hell-bent on ignoring us, the call for help would always have a likelihood to come from someone else. And even were we to limit ourselves with Chizuka and an asylum... would it be right to ignore the possible effects on the original group, now that we know what Yumi's asylum resulted in?

The best way to keep Yui out of the affairs of other girls would be to not let her know, because the kind of things that happen in Tokyo are hard for a compassionate idealist to ignore.

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Rough draft. Thoughts and ideas?
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Delightfully direct. I might switch. It's been a while since I looked at a girl and thought 'I want her on our inner council'.

Though... you realise that you say you hate backstabbing and political maneuvering, yet you intend to sweep Furuhata's group from under her via a backstage deal with her strategist?
 
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[] Plan Delightfully soft, and yet still firm.

[] "Shina Konno. Your eyes can see the weaknesses of others. I wonder what they see about me? That'll have to wait for another time though.
-[] "I understand the situation you're in. I understand that you feel you have to go behind your group's back to survive. You've done it before, after all, and here you are still living.
--[] "I detest that sort of underhanded manipulation. I hate the backstabbing politicking that is so common in Tokyo. But I understand the necessity, on occasion, so I won't hold your past actions against you. Starting from this point on, let's be clear and honest about what we both intend to gain from this meeting, okay? I'll even go first! :)"

-[] Yui intends to recruit Konno and the others fully into her own swiftly expanding harem team, both for the benefits to Yui but also because she intends to keep those girls alive, and can best do so as their leader and protector. Yui understands that a gradual approach is sometimes necessary. Yui is willing to agree to lesser measures in the interim (such as a land lease), with the understanding of recruitment down the line. This is regardless of whether Konno agrees to be recruited; all shall fall to Yui's charm in the end. Yui provides the condition that her contribution not be the direct or indirect cause of such strife that the recruitment of other members of the team becomes impossible. No coup.
--[] Yui asks about Konno's original intentions in arranging this meeting, and if, after Yui's own goals are made clear, Konno's intentions are the same. Yui attempts to accommodate Konno's goals so far as they do not conflict with her own goals of protection and eventual recruitment. Where there are disagreements, they attempt to find a middle ground.


Rough draft. Thoughts and ideas?

And as always, Echo can modify the text as he sees fit. Turn it into a dialogue, whatever so long as the intent is clear.



Denied. Good try though.
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Well, I think I'm still sticking to Systemic's vote for now, but I will not be upset if yours wins instead.
 
redzonejoe said:
[] Shina Konno. Your eyes can see the weaknesses of others. I wonder what they see about me?
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They see that she still hasn't been told the truth about Witches.

There isn't really anything else I can think of about Yui that would count as a weakness. 'Loving your friends' is only a weakness when you can't rain hot pink fire down on anyone who threatens them from half a city away.
 
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