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Essentially.So it's more how we use our powers more than their utilisation that define our alignement ?
If you choose to study DS powers you get DS points. But in combat you're not gaining DS every time you use that power.
Essentially.So it's more how we use our powers more than their utilisation that define our alignement ?
Yes, but it keeps the fracture running our way, rather than into Sidious' hands. Right now, its looking like the separatist crisis is happening anyway. So we might as well make sure our side gets the best out of it by blatantly showing the Republic's flaws.
And yeah, Maul's a Sith. That means he'll go with his emotions and instincts, most of which right now are screaming 'I WANT TO SURVIVE' and 'FUCK SIDIOUS, HE TRIED KILLING ME TWICE'. He has no reason not to testify truthfully because it'll fulfill that second category, while also giving him some temporary protection in the form of the Jedi (you think they're just going to let normal republic guards keep watch on a dangerous sith lord?). Honestly, in chains is both the safest place, and the best position to damage sidious from.
Just because he's dark side doesn't mean he's going to lie for, i don't know, reasons, i guess?
Note, none of this believes he's a saint, simply motivated by spite and hatred. Its crude, and raw, but also direct in its target.
Also, the Republic senate/courts bungling this only makes us and the seps look better in the long run anyway, so if they fuck it up that's a double-positive for me.
My preliminary plan. Suggestions\comments are welcome
[] [Help] The Broken R2D2 Astromech Droid. You could rebuild him. (Gain R2D2)
Story reasons: R2D2 can't die. I said can't. Friends are good for not going far into dark side
Roleplaying reasons: Anakin loves droids. He will feel uncomfortable taking Maul's ship. Obi-wan's lightsaber is also OK but he may expect that Dooku will help him to get his own.
Powergaming reasons: Ships and sabers are easier to get that allies, especially allies with certain "canon value" that may have special skills
You have a very.... interesting understanding of what "in character" means. Can you give your definition of IC?
[] [Level UP] Plan Owen, truth and lightsabers
-[]Adept Philosopher: +5 Wisdom
Roleplaying reasons: Anakin experienced a lot to gain wisdom
Story reasons: I want story about wise, intelligent, charismatic Anakin. Cha and int are covered by Dooku
Powergaming reasons: Wis checks are quite common and wis fails are quite unpleasant
-[] Admit to Master Dooku that you have 2 Holocrons, one of the Sith and one of the Jed
Roleplaying reasons: Growing trust to Dooku. Growing lawful tendencies. Interest of studying them but unwillingness to do so without supervision of the master.
Story reasons: It may motivate Dooku to visit Sith\Jedi related places for some archeology, it sounds fun
Powergaming reasons: He will find them sooner or later. Later means bigger hit to our relationships
-[] Use the comm on Dooku's ship to call Beru's family.
Roleplaying reasons: Not doing this makes no sense
Story reasons: Story should remain logical. Also, I want to learn about Owen's fate.
Powergaming reasons: It may not be the best CP usage for gaining power but contacting Owen earlier may mean the difference between brother and enemy. If we fail to contact Owen\learn that he hates our guts and learn that he is alive it will calm Anakin somewhat.
-[] Combat Prodigy (2 Points): Upon unlocked a Saber style, you immediate gain level one.
RP reasons: his talent is awaken after the emotional shock + bond with Maul
Story reasons: we all want a competent duelist, right?
OOC reasons: It is likely that we'll gain new saber styles unlocked either from training or from the bond
-[] Practice Shii-Cho.
RP reasons: Anakin has every reason to kep training
OOC reasons: Can save our butt, allows us to unlock other saber styles sooner
-[] Save 2CP
But . . . we have real reasons to keep him alive now. Beyond pure mechanics, he's got knowledge we could use, and he namedropped someone we should definitely look into. Hell, Dooku might already know of her if we share. If we don't kill Maul then we have an in with the Nightsisters.
Nope. Plan now is
Dathomir
Tatooine.
Ilum
Serenno
Current arc ends
[] [Help] The Broken R2D2 Astromech Droid. You could rebuild him. (Gain R2D2)
We can get a different ship later, and with Anakin's mechanical skills I'd bet we could design a better one. We should take R2 because this story needs something lighthearted.
[] [Ambition] To Find out what happened to Owen. (1500, 1CP)
Anakin's last remaining family member is his brother. He would want to find out what happened to him as soon as possible.
I don't know if we should sever the bond and kill Maul or keep Maul around and psychologically torture him for years. Either way, I want to let Maul live until we find Owen and possibly let Owen kill him. I'm still rather angry Maul's alive at all.
I don't think there's a plan similar to this one, but let me know.
[] [Level Up] Plan Prodigy
-[] Adept Philosopher: +5 Wisdom
-[] Talk with Dooku about what has happened.
-[] Use the comm on Dooku's ship to call Beru's family.
-[] Combat Prodigy (2 Points): Upon unlocked a Saber style, you immediate gain level one.
-[] Force Prodigy (2 Points):Upon unlocking a Force ability, you immediately gain level one.
1 CP stat + 2 CP story + 2 CP story + 2 CP perk + 2 CP perk = 9 CP cost, 2 CP saved
1) I want to level Wisdom since we're going for a CHA/WIS/INT build, and we receive Dooku's bonuses to CHA/INT every level up. I don't want to ignore our Wisdom stat.
2) Anakin's angry and upset, and we need someone to help calm him down. We might get another level in his Force bond too.
3) Anakin would want to know what happened to Owen. I think ignoring the situation with him would make Anakin even more stressed.
4) Combat & Force Prodigy are now extremely beneficial to pick up early.
I'm not studying the Sith holocron this round because I consider the other choices more pressing. We also might fulfill this ambition another way in the course of this story arc. I would take it next level up assuming there's nothing immediately important overshadowing it.
replace the force prodigy with []Practice Shii-Cho and you have my vote. My reasons for that are simple: 1) we are unlikely to open new force branch soon unless we buy it with points, 2)we need some combat upgrade for upcoming battles 3) training Shii-Cho brings learning of more advanced saber training closer making combat prodigy more useful 4) There may be interesting effects of practicing swordfight with Maul's bond on-line.
I also marginally prefer telling about holocrons but talking about what happened is good, too.
We are calling Beru not Owen so there is no guarantee to reach him or get an update, so that is IC.
That's right. Keep Maul alive and let him live through the torture. Either he can find a way to redeem himself betraying the Force Bond with his old Master Sidious, or he can die trying.
Let him have to deal with the pain.
Why are we looking at other stats besides Charisma? We leveled up other stats specifically to level up Charisma, since it has been made a focus. Charisma also ties in with the Dun Moch style of Dooku. My thought based on what people wanted in the past was Charisma then other stats to push up Charisma again. The point gain while a gain, isn't large enough for people out of our weight class and isn't a massive type of boost. It is a slow and steady grind upwards, not a quick grab. Also Charisma has out of combat applications. We aren't ignoring the other stats, but Charisma would be the leading one..
We aren't just focusing on Charisma, but it has been a central focus for a while. That is why 2 updates ago we leveled up 3 other stats I believe. It has just been that Charisma has been the primary stat we wanted to increase. So for spending a point/s it seemed like a good choice to follow up from the previous vote in order to improve it.because we couldn't use Charisma in all situations, yes charisma is important but their are situations where wiill have to fight, charisma can't avoid all confrontations. We need constitution to not die at the first strike, Intelligence for knowledge and Makashi, Wisdom, exct. Charisma is useful but have only this is an handicape, not an advantage.
Again with calling. We are not calling Owen, we are calling Beru. People keep repeating that it is a call to Owen. So I want to bring up my four points again and ask anyone who is making a plan to call Beru address these.
-Owen might not even be there or have no forwarding address, we are calling Beru not Owen
-Owen might be enslaved by the Hutts or captured by sand people and we have no way to help him, Tatooine is not a nice place
-Owen is 10 years old and really loved his father, he won't be in a good emotional place to comfort Anakin, he is a bratty 10 year old not an adult
-Anakin just spared/saved the individual who killed their parents, if that comes up the conversation will go downhill, unless we lie or purposely move the conversation away from a topic, which kind of defeats the point of calling in the first place for emotional support.
We aren't just focusing on Charisma, but it has been a central focus for a while. That is why 2 updates ago we leveled up 3 other stats I believe. It has just been that Charisma has been the primary stat we wanted to increase. So for spending a point/s it seemed like a good choice to follow up from the previous vote in order to improve it.
This is a correct but a very vague definition. In character means making decisions on what character knows\wants not on something player(s) know\want
What is the point of roleplaying for your then? Building the strongest character possible? Defeating the GM?On a separate note, I think this is a very poor reason for the vote. I note people tend to say, 'oh it is in character' as justification for their choice without supporting details behind it. Also there tends to be a massive failure to consider that people might behave outside their expectations. There is a wide range of humanity out there as well as reactions.
Most of players do that. But majority tend to powergame aka combining IC and OOC reasoning for character decisions. Yes powergaming is that, not trying to make the most powerful character\"win" the game. Powergamer and munchkin are often considered to be the same type of players but they are not. At least in my understanding of terms based on ~15 years of playing tabletop RPGsThat is why I prefer to look at risks/rewards. What is the associated risk in terms of cost/energy/time/repercussions versus the rewards in terms of training/experience/story progression/knowledge.
Because there are short term need for passing rolls. Wisdom looks more important ATM. Also, stop having the illusion that there are some unified "thread plan". There are really not. We all may switch to raising dex any momentWhy are we looking at other stats besides Charisma? We leveled up other stats specifically to level up Charisma, since it has been made a focus. Charisma also ties in with the Dun Moch style of Dooku.
I am fine with Dooku restraining our access. I care not for 1/2 levels of bond but to prevent worseninbg relationships when he does find. The later we do, the worse it will be. Even saying will get the reaction "Did you hide that from me for years?"For giving the holocron's to Dooku. We would lose control of them. Holocrons are incredibly rare and we most likely would not come across any more for quite a while especially the Stih one. Dooku can limit/remove access. Dooku could fall to the Dark Side studying the Sith one thinking he would be fine. Dooku could keep them for himself. The 1/2 levels gained in the bond does not seem worth such a massive loss. Talking to Dooku seems a much safer/better alternative.
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Who does that? People keep reasoning that it is Anakin's attempt to find what happened to Owen
Anakin doesn't know that.-Owen might not even be there or have no forwarding address, we are calling Beru not Owen
Anakin doesn't know that-Owen might be enslaved by the Hutts or captured by sand people and we have no way to help him, Tatooine is not a nice place
Anakin doesn't know that-Owen is 10 years old and really loved his father, he won't be in a good emotional place to comfort Anakin, he is a bratty 10 year old not an adult
We need combat and force prodigy first. Also we can get Shatterpoint by training skills that we want to train anyways.
Why are we looking at other stats besides Charisma? We leveled up other stats specifically to level up Charisma, since it has been made a focus. Charisma also ties in with the Dun Moch style of Dooku. My thought based on what people wanted in the past was Charisma then other stats to push up Charisma again. The point gain while a gain, isn't large enough for people out of our weight class and isn't a massive type of boost. It is a slow and steady grind upwards, not a quick grab. Also Charisma has out of combat applications. We aren't ignoring the other stats, but Charisma would be the leading one.
Again with calling. We are not calling Owen, we are calling Beru. People keep repeating that it is a call to Owen. So I want to bring up my four points again and ask anyone who is making a plan to call Beru address these.
-Owen might not even be there or have no forwarding address, we are calling Beru not Owen
-Owen might be enslaved by the Hutts or captured by sand people and we have no way to help him, Tatooine is not a nice place
-Owen is 10 years old and really loved his father, he won't be in a good emotional place to comfort Anakin, he is a bratty 10 year old not an adult
-Anakin just spared/saved the individual who killed their parents, if that comes up the conversation will go downhill, unless we lie or purposely move the conversation away from a topic, which kind of defeats the point of calling in the first place for emotional support
People said, 'oh look sparing Maul is light and good and will work out'. There are risks to calling Owen, I want there to be an acknowledgement that placing that call has a chance of doing more harm than good or accomplishing nothing. These risks are non-zero. We already know that Owen lives from the vision, the real question is what happened to him and if he is in a good emotional place to talk to Anakin.
Also we are going to Tatooine after Dathomir. So it isn't like Owen will be forgotten about. There are just more urgent matters with Maul/bond to deal with. Better to go to Owen and say 'Maul is dead, he killed our parents' than some other story.
1. If Owen isn't there and left no forwarding address, we could still learn something about how he is/what happened to him
2.If something bad has happened to Owen the information would be useful. Say your theory of Owen being enslaved by Hutts is correct and we encounter a Hutt that wants something. If we know Owen is Hutt enslaved we could ask for Owen as our payment.
Without information we have no chance of helping Owen, while information doesn't mean we be definitely able to help, it will at least give us a chance.
3."A burden shared is a burden halved" is a cliche but has some accuracy. Even though both are young and upset, the very act of talking could help both.
4. Anakin is more likely to reveal that the killer has been captured by him than blurt out a single piece of information that looks bad without context.
I agree on this, but we should have one focus stat. Charisma was what we started off with and synergies well with Dooku. We will have to bump up the other stats after Charisma. 1-3 points per update. Remember that Charisma could only be raised so much until the other stats had to be increased. That was my thinking. I would rather have one super stat we can use than more of an average.When we level up Charisma automatically gains 6 pts. We need WIS and CON more than charisma frankly, because those don't gain any points unless we put them in.
But getting clues of future events is well worth the CP investment, plus we have enough points to get the 3 powers now...
Thanks for the reply on this. I guess this would be the light side argument to my dark side. I do agree the arguments cut both ways. I also like "A burden shared is a burden halved" quote. It does make sense they could talk to each other. I just don't see Anakin as a normal 10 year old anymore. He grew up too quickly. With the Chosen One, he is more like ~14-16 than 10. In my mind he would have a harder time relating to an emotional kid.
Also if he brought up the capture it would lead to questions like How and When kind of thing. There are a lot of sensitive subjects that would have to be danced around or that Owen wouldn't be able to understand as a 10 year old.