That is why Longinus granted us the freezer, even if you lack the disciplines to get a proper blood bag from somewhere. And well, if it was a ambush and they are dead so that you are undisturbed , depending on how old they are you can refill yourself on them, just don't drink too deeply.
White Wolf's World of Darkness
OK, anyone who's a fan of Changeling or World of Darkness: Innocents needs to read Kenneth Oppel's new book, The Nest.
I don't want to say too much to spoil it, but I will say that it shows how the Gentry can be both terrifying and lovely, how easy it can be to make deals with them, and how horrifying fetches can be.
Also, to paraphrase another's review, it could only have been written by a man who, at some point in his life, looked at a wasp nest and thought "y'know, I bet you could fit a baby in there."
I don't want to say too much to spoil it, but I will say that it shows how the Gentry can be both terrifying and lovely, how easy it can be to make deals with them, and how horrifying fetches can be.
Also, to paraphrase another's review, it could only have been written by a man who, at some point in his life, looked at a wasp nest and thought "y'know, I bet you could fit a baby in there."
Didn't one of the writers write something about blood not actually counting as vitae if it doesn't come from a body?
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I think what I was talking about was in 1stEd.
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Hmmm...
I must say that my Requiem-Fu is weak when it comes to 1E...
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Keep in mind Requiem is a group game. Even in setting, it is a world in which vampires operate in groups and factions. You have friends. Or, at least, allies of convenience. Your coterie should be there to pull you off that blood doll when it's obvious you lost control, and to double-check your ideas before you do something horribly stupid.
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That's definitely one thing you have to (by which I mean I had to) compensate for when running a Quest. For obvious reasons, all of the splats are group games/social splats, and yet playing the game as, say, a Motley would be sorta complex and hard to fit as many themes around. So the players control a single character, even if they usually have friends and allies. I do wonder how much more different things would be in a vampire game...
Because, to some extent, depending on splat, the 'there are adventurer parties' thing can seem very much like a necessary conceit. Motleys make sense depending on Freehold, honestly, at least that's how I portray them in my Quest. In Freeholds without strong Court structures, or where you're quite likely to be left out to dry, EVERYONE is in an official Motley, whereas in stronger structures, people can get away with 'only' having lots of friends that aren't *officially* pledged to have your back. Though there are still Motleys around.
Don't know whether, if I was running an individual nVamp Quest, I'd break up Coteries in a similar way...*
* Not break up, but make them less universal-y.
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In regards to the splats of the NWoD each variant of a party fullfills different roles.
A Coterie is there to watch your back as you stand with them against the others, Me against my Brother, My Brother and I against my Cousin, My cousin and I against our uncle and so on, it is a defensive packt, and sometimes even there to protect you from yourself. Vampires do not have friends and lie to them self about that.
Werwolf packs paradoxically are very close to a mottley , they fill a psychological need for you, they give you stability in your life and so allow you to center yourself. And of course , they allow you to hunt and defend your teritory. And to have People that you can be friends with without them sometimes covering in fear from you, or having a spider crawl into there ear and there brain being eaten.
Mage, well they are all assholes but hey together you are stronger then when you are alone. Mages of course are more free to have friends among the normals.
And well a Mottley primary purpose is the same as having friends and a psychological support group and to help each other when the gentry comes calling. If you already have friends you don't need a motley because far to many Lost are unable to make friends.
A Coterie is there to watch your back as you stand with them against the others, Me against my Brother, My Brother and I against my Cousin, My cousin and I against our uncle and so on, it is a defensive packt, and sometimes even there to protect you from yourself. Vampires do not have friends and lie to them self about that.
Werwolf packs paradoxically are very close to a mottley , they fill a psychological need for you, they give you stability in your life and so allow you to center yourself. And of course , they allow you to hunt and defend your teritory. And to have People that you can be friends with without them sometimes covering in fear from you, or having a spider crawl into there ear and there brain being eaten.
Mage, well they are all assholes but hey together you are stronger then when you are alone. Mages of course are more free to have friends among the normals.
And well a Mottley primary purpose is the same as having friends and a psychological support group and to help each other when the gentry comes calling. If you already have friends you don't need a motley because far to many Lost are unable to make friends.
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Okay, just a question. Why the fuck are Werewolves so complicated? I tried to read the subnet again to try (again) to make some sense of it, but my brain shuts off.
I'm used to the fact that Mages are complex, but Werewolves feel even more complicated, when, I dunno...
Edit: Also, a relatively minor point in favor of oMage, or at least oMage via way of Panopticon.
I do sorta like the way that people's magic and what they can do can be defined by Paradigm. It makes magic feel/flow, narratively at least, in a fun way. At its best. I imagine at its worst it's a bunch of rules-lawyering around a table trying to desperately justify stuff.
I'm used to the fact that Mages are complex, but Werewolves feel even more complicated, when, I dunno...
Edit: Also, a relatively minor point in favor of oMage, or at least oMage via way of Panopticon.
I do sorta like the way that people's magic and what they can do can be defined by Paradigm. It makes magic feel/flow, narratively at least, in a fun way. At its best. I imagine at its worst it's a bunch of rules-lawyering around a table trying to desperately justify stuff.
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What do you mean by complicated?
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Well, it's probably partially just because I wasn't used to the system, but when I opened it up to try character creation, I couldn't really follow all of the Gifts stuff...I'm, I admit, 90% sure it's just me, and that just like with M:tA, if I actually got down to reading through it multiple times/got in the feel, I'd be like, "Oh, I wanna make an X werewolf to do Y, and they should have Z gifts and this Renown and etc..."
Character creation is something which requires either time or familiarity, at least for me. If I'm not familiar with the source material, it's hard to just on a fly say, "I need to make something."
Man, fuck Renown. It's basically just the worst. Yet more oWoD legacy code.
Okay, renown is only important in that it gives you free stuff when you raise , to make a gross simplification and that your highest renown is also the highest level of a gift that you can have.
Something that might get slightly lost is that you don't need to buy the earlier dots in a series for werwolves to get a later gift.
Ie you don#t need Gift of the Father I &II to buy III
Fuck Renown? Is that the kind of Renown that you raise by getting a reputation for being good in bed?
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nWoD doesn't have an Appearance stat anymore, so you'd probably use some combination of Presence, Manipulation, Striking Looks and maybe some 'Allies...you used to have a thing with them' merits to simulate it.
But it's possible...
Presumably that's the opposite of Purity Renown.
Werewolves in both nWOD and oWOD are very concerned with having many children in order to increase the odds of producing a Werewolf heir or expendable Cannon Fodder. A consequence of this is that werewolf who has many sexual encounters and is thus much more likely to father the next generation would posses a certain amount of prestige regardless of any other qualities that he may be lacking. It would thus make perfect sense for a Werewolf to have a "Fuck" Renown that represents their ability to have unprotected sex with many women.
( I started this off as a joke but it actually makes sense for Werewolf culture to have an unspoken category of "Fuck" Renown. Created the next generation and ensuring a stable legacy seems like it would be very important to Werewolves and the vagaries of supernatural inheritance means that having many children is the best method of ensuring that a werewolf will be born. This combined with the Werewolves difficulty fitting into conventional society and starting a traditional family means that the ability to have one-night stands without using protection could easily represent a significant component of their reproductive potential.)
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Just as a question, are nWerewolves slightly less disgusting than oWerewolves? I mean, it could be PQ bias, but oWerewolves in that Quest seemed like genocidal maniacs. Are nWolfs the same?
Also, "Fuck" Renown rather leaves women out in the cold. Which isn't a criticism of that bit of worldbuilding, actually. Because I do sometimes think the assumption I see in a lot of the books in nWoD are somewhat rosy. So it'd make perfect sense that, like in the world, there was a split between how male and female sexuality is treated. Potentially.
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I guess this impression comes because Werewolves only appeared twice in that Quest, and the first time it was the wyrm aligned demon-worshipper ones.
(Not that the others are nice people, mind, but at least they aren't baby eating caricatures)
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I've got 99 quests, I've finished one
Werewolves are generally pretty bad in oWod, yes. The extremists want to destroy the modern world and cull humanity down to a sustanible number. The moderates just want the first part. Also, I'm pretty sure that you do get a temporary renown boost for having a kid in oWerewolf (or something). Also, the bestiality. And the werewolves also committed genocide, like, a dozen times in the past, and them being dinks is the reason the world sucks so much.
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What about nWerewolf. Are they as bad? Though that sounds like it'd be hard to match.