Vindictus
XENO
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Here's the official trailer for Kung Fury, if you're interested.My head is...
It's so 80's is hurts.
White Wolf's World of Darkness
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Quick question--what exactly is the Technocracy's symbol supposed to be, anyways? I get the Mobius Strips, but I've never figured out what the center part is
It is the sigil of the sphere of Forces.
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Question: Assuming that power/fuel supply is a solved issue due to using Ley Nodes and Sympathetic Magic, what are some things you can do with 2013-level technology and as little further active magic as possible, without building large vehicles or structures? Further assume that any existing weapon or armour can be enhanced to the equipment bonus limit without adding to any spell tolerance load - this also includes upping Durability of items to arbitrarily high levels - so any combat equipment needs to provide benefits beyond just higher stats. I was thinking of armour that is based on the lightest possible armour that provides both melee and ballistic protection, enhanced to 5/5 and then with a light powered exoskeleton both to cancel out the Defence penalty because of the weight of the armour and for Strength 5, hopefully even with a Dex increase in there somehow, wearing an electrostatic or electromagnetic thruster, or an electrohydrodynamic one might be a better idea (less property damage that way), that doesn't need to worry about power and carrying either a solid-state laser weapon that has had key component's Durability increased and fed electricity, or a railgun that again has had key component's Durability increased, but this time the same can happen to the ammo to give it Armour Piercing. All plugs in to the suit, which has a sympathetic connection to the ley node, so you don't need to worry about fuel or power.
Of course the problem with all this is that if you ever lose the sympathetic connection, you're wearing a whole lot of dead weight.
Or am I thinking too small?
Of course the problem with all this is that if you ever lose the sympathetic connection, you're wearing a whole lot of dead weight.
Or am I thinking too small?
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- America
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- He/Him
This actually pairs nicely with an idea I've been playing around with. Modeling sorcery in MTAs off of Thaumaturgy from Exalted. This idea ties together well with the idea of sorcerers working through Mythic Threads1.
Sorcerers still have to spend willpower. Sorcerers have to pay for rare ingredients and tools to perform many tricks.
None of the thaumaturgical paths really go beyond sphere dot 2 effects and they are more work to bring to bear and more limited in effect.
(The ones about crafting magic stuff isn't paired with appropriate sphere levels, but I don't remember it being that powerful compared to normal modern day stuff. If it's actually stronger that stuff might have to be bought as thaumaturgical Procedures for different recipes or something.)
The first degree of thaumaturgy costs as much as the first dot in a sphere and usually does similar effects.
Getting to the second degree of thaumaturgy costs a little less than getting to sphere 2, and the third degree costs a little more but they give around sphere 2 level effects.
You'd probably still substitute quintessence for MJ12 Commando's mana system for the purposes of using essence to lower resource costs.
Now if you use this system, you should refund the players their points when they buy a dot in a sphere that encompasses the thaumaturgy effect. That's the basic idea behind a grimoire. In fact in this system you could just have grimoires give a discount to the cost of learning thaumaturgical effects, and then give a discount based on thaumaturgy to learning the spheres. This would support old systems like the Order of Hermes2, Verbena, and Dreamspeakers especially well considering that thaumaturgy fits their themes and, as ancient and traditional institutions, they should have organized systems of doing things.
[1] Talking about Exalted Mythic Threads made me imagine Syndicate members, now Void-Adapted to the Umbra as Residents, sniffing Celestial Cocaine in Yu-Shan, while Agents glare disapprovingly.
[2] The system also has the amusing effect of having the first three degrees of hermetic teaching actually be Degrees of thaumaturgy and the fourth degree be an awakening akin to the final effects of essence enlightening sutra.
Path of Weather Control. Level 5 in that is either multiple Level 3 Spheres, or Level 4 Forces.
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Fair enough, I was misremembering it as just calling to weather spirits in a way akin to the beckoning of other spirit paths. Just talking to important spirits is only Spirit 1-2, but actually getting them to do things is a lot harder without Spirit 4 bindings or hitting them with Spirit 2 Prime 2. You can call to powerful spirits with just Spirit 2, but that doesn't mean they will listen and/or come.
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A question about OWoD. Lets say an awakened mage was dropped into lets say Dresden files. Can they now use their magic without issues?
See, from what I understand. A mage is constrained by paradox cause of the rest of humanity and their belief.
So my thought if such mage was dropped into another cosmology completely separate from OWod. Can they do as they please with no paradox interfering. Is this plausible?
See, from what I understand. A mage is constrained by paradox cause of the rest of humanity and their belief.
So my thought if such mage was dropped into another cosmology completely separate from OWod. Can they do as they please with no paradox interfering. Is this plausible?
Lealope
Not yet invincible
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The answer is whatever you want it to be. For a less unhelpful answer, they probably still face some kind of paradox given that human belief still has metaphysical weight in the Dresden Files.
They may have weight but they don't seem to be stopping its denizens from doing magic as they please aside from the wizards and what they do to tech. Just curious cause I had the thought that if you dropped such a mage into our world for example. Said person could do magic no matter what even infront of millions and nothing would prevent them from doing so.
Keep in mind that Awakened Magic in oWoD is not so much magic in the way that Dresden Files mages are, but its much closer to outright reality warping (and reality doesn't like two conflicting versions of reality existing at the same place at the same time). I have no idea how an Awakened Mage would fare using their powers but using Harry Dresden doing his thing probably isn't the best example because a Mage and Harry Dresden are doing two very different things.
Is why I had the thought that whatever limits exist on magic in Dresden files wouldn't do anything to the oWoD mage cause no paradox and well as you said reality warping.
UrsaTempest
Don't Panic!
I imagine oMage in DF would have a different coincidental/vulgar divide. Like is coincidental if you use DF's magic... magic (or appear to), and vulgar otherwise.
Jon Chung
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Teleport bomb your enemies with nuclear weapons at least once. Your GM's face is worth it.
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Well, there's two problems with doing that: 1) anything we can do, other mages can do (and we are by no means the most powerful mages around), and 2) We are trying to be at least kinda acceptable to our local Consilium, and I think using WMDs is on their no-no list. Although that hasn't stopped the Matter mage from creating VK gas once or twice...
On the other hand, I have been planning on getting a small supply of grenades of various kinds, and never throwing them - just placing them at my enemy's feet. While they're in cover. Yes, it's Vulgar each time - but I shouldn't need to do it too often in any one combat.
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Jon Chung
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Note that you can do that from a long way away, in an unmarked van, sitting next to a crate full of grenades, with no mana cost as long as you run Spatial Map and Sense Consciousness to remain within sensory range but out of line of sight. If you want to reduce the amount of paradox you need to soak up, simply use multi-targeting factors on your Apportation cast so that each instance of teleportation hits multiple clusters of targets simultaneously. If you have access to a hallow (preferably also a demesne), you don't need the van and can cheerfully bomb your enemies into oblivion from the other side of the planet as long as you have a remote point to lock on to.
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Thing is though, at that point it starts to look more like a bug then a feature, that you can just sit in your cave and blow up your enemies.
...hell, didn't you just complain about this kind of thing in the Exalted thread, the, "Hide in your cave and do magic from a distance without saves" sort of thing?
Jon Chung
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Well, if your opposition is other mages, they can cheerfully do it too, so the answer to "why you don't teleport bomb your enemies with nuclear weapons" is "they can do it back to you, so let's keep things reasonably civil or we'll piss off an Archmaster enough to reload his savegame".
This, of course, doesn't apply if the opposition has no means of retaliating in kind, so if you ever get the chance to hit some particularly nasty target which doesn't also have the ability to deliver nukes by teleportation, nuke it, it's worth it.
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Wait, then why are you advising them to do it? Because they literally said, "We're not the strongest Mages in town, so anything we can do, they can do even more dangerous" and you responded by saying, "Do it! It'll totally work out."
What are you, the voice of hubris?
Jon Chung
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Wait, then why are you advising them to do it? Because they literally said, "We're not the strongest Mages in town, so anything we can do, they can do even more dangerous" and you responded by saying, "Do it! It'll totally work out."
What are you, the voice of hubris?
Yes. Because that's half the fun of Mage, right?
"... and then this whining vampire started getting uppity at me and saying I ruined people's lives as easily as he did, and I didn't even have the excuse of being cursed to only know night and live in the shadows, wrapped in their tenebral embrace blah blah blah. Honestly, I'd stopped caring by that point. But then he got really snotty and started going on about 'who's the real monster here?'."
"Well, what did you do?"
"Used Time 3 so he was scrying what happened 12 hours ago with all his senses, and laughed as he ran around in fear frenzy because we were outside. He couldn't do anything to me, because all his senses were telling him what happened 12 hours ago."
"Ha ha, nice."
Outside, there is a pitiful cry of "The real monster is maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!"
From what I've read here in this thread, some people find the consensual reality of Omage abhorrent and that to me makes it even better cause isn't that the point? I mean thats why there is so much conflict cause people cannot agree with each other and find each others pov as abhorrent or wrong.
Lets take an example, we have an awakened mage who for whatever reason sees gay people as evil and thus crafts his own little reality where anyone who is gay spontaneously combusts. And then we have another awakened mage who finds straight people abhorrent/evil and and thus crafts his own little reality where anyone who is straight spontaneously combusts.
And have those 2 fight each other. Chaos, absolute chaos.
edit: Didn't one of the endings of Omage has everyone ascend and get their own reality or something?
Imagine some of the nasty things people can do with their own playground where they can do whatever they want, anytime they want.
Lets take an example, we have an awakened mage who for whatever reason sees gay people as evil and thus crafts his own little reality where anyone who is gay spontaneously combusts. And then we have another awakened mage who finds straight people abhorrent/evil and and thus crafts his own little reality where anyone who is straight spontaneously combusts.
And have those 2 fight each other. Chaos, absolute chaos.
edit: Didn't one of the endings of Omage has everyone ascend and get their own reality or something?
Imagine some of the nasty things people can do with their own playground where they can do whatever they want, anytime they want.
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Wait, but Postcog (which is what I assume you're using here, just a level higher so you can cast it on others) is Concentration Duration - how are you doing that without only being able to walk slowly away? Cool use of Time, though.
Who doesn't run Mind 1 "I can take two mental actions at once" constantly?